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[Rightguide]

Study: The Amount of Copper Needed for EVs Is ‘Impossible for Mining Companies to Produce’​

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LUCAS NOLAN27 May 20241,132
A recent study from the University of Michigan has shed light on a critical challenge facing the global transition to electric vehicles: the inability of copper mining to keep pace with the growing demand.


According to GlobalData, there are over 709 operational copper mines worldwide, with the Escondida mine in Chile being the largest, producing an estimated 882,100 tons of copper in 2023. Despite this seemingly huge output, the rapid pace of electrification globally is outstripping the mining industry’s ability to keep up. In fact, the authors state that, “We show in the paper that the amount of copper needed is essentially impossible for mining companies to produce.”

The Michigan study highlights the fact that an EV requires three to five times more copper than traditional gas or diesel cars, not to mention the additional copper needed for upgrades to the electricity grid. As Professor Adam Simon from the University of Michigan points out, “A normal Honda Accord needs about 40 pounds of copper. The same battery electric Honda Accord needs almost 200 pounds of copper.”

The researchers analyzed 120 years of global data on copper production, dating back to 1900, and modeled the likely copper production for the remainder of the century. They compared this with the projected copper requirements for the US electricity infrastructure and vehicle fleet to transition to renewable energy. The study concluded that renewable energy’s copper needs would exceed the current production capacity of copper mines.

Between now and 2050, the world will need to mine 115 percent more copper than has been mined in all of human history up until 2018, just to meet current copper needs without considering the green energy transition. To meet the copper demands of electrifying the global vehicle fleet, as many as six new large copper mines must be brought online annually over the next several decades, with about 40 percent of the production from these new mines being required for EV-related grid upgrades.

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024...pper-needed-for-evs-is-impossible-to-produce/

Facts always get in the way of the dreams of the Left.

 

[ll74]

Do you understand how R&D works or no?

 

[DeluxAuto]

Do you understand how R&D works or no?

You answered your own question.

 

[ll74]

You answered your own question.

Sarcasm tends to work that way.

 

[Rightguide]

Do you understand how R&D works or no?

Yes, I was in the field of endeavor at one time. So please let's have no pretentious assumptions of superior knowledge.

 

[ll74]

Yes, I was in the field of endeavor at one time. So please let's have no pretentious assumptions of superior knowledge.

So you understand how new tech is developed, negating old tech and materials.

Got it.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

To meet the copper demands of electrifying the global vehicle fleet, as many as six new large copper mines must be brought online annually over the next several decades, with about 40 percent of the production from these new mines being required for EV-related grid upgrades.

This assumes the global vehicle fleet will stay at current levels, which it almost certainly won't.

More likely, transportation will be strictly rationed and most people will have to do without personal automobiles in the coming years. If the cagers are unwilling to part with them, they'll have to be forced.

 

[Rightguide]

This assumes the global vehicle fleet will stay at current levels, which it almost certainly won't.

More likely, transportation will be strictly rationed and most people will have to do without personal automobiles in the coming years. If the cagers are unwilling to part with them, they'll have to be forced.

Only until November then all will change.

 

[Rightguide]

So you understand how new tech is developed, negating old tech and materials.

Got it.

Yep, and how and why some tech just doesn't work.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Only until November then all will change.

 

[Rightguide]

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Yes, only a yellowbelly would shoot a woman in the head for voicing an opinion.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Yes, only a yellowbelly would shoot a woman in the head for voicing an opinion.

You're identifying as a woman, now?

YWNBAW

 

[Rightguide]

You're identifying as a woman, now?

YWNBAW

Only in your mind as demonstrated by your juvenile post.

 

[AndersonsBiographer]

Only in your mind as demonstrated by your juvenile post.

 

[ll74]

Yep, and how and why some tech just doesn't work.

Copper is not going to be the thing used in our future. R&D will change that because of how materials are used and acquired.

Glad you agree.

 

[Rightguide]

Copper is not going to be the thing used in our future. R&D will change that because of how materials are used and acquired.

Glad you agree.

That is what is being alleged.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Is the OP referring to me? Because I strongly oppose electric cars. They're fine as a stopgap to squeeze a little more utility out of 100 years of bad infrastructure policy, but they're still cars -- dangerous, inefficient and polluting.

The only electric vehicles we should be investing in are trains.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Is the OP referring to me? Because I strongly oppose electric cars. They're fine as a stopgap to squeeze a little more utility out of 100 years of bad infrastructure policy, but they're still cars -- dangerous, inefficient and polluting.

The only electric vehicles we should be investing in are trains.

I just started Battlestar Galactica and there are plenty of EVs. I think he was talking about Cylons.

 

[HisArpy]

Is the OP referring to me? Because I strongly oppose electric cars. They're fine as a stopgap to squeeze a little more utility out of 100 years of bad infrastructure policy, but they're still cars -- dangerous, inefficient and polluting.

The only electric vehicles we should be investing in are trains.

You should consider emigrating to Australia. There, buses convert to trains on the fly.

 

[Bn2f]

Is the OP referring to me?

I think he is. Does this qualify as a vanity threads are dumb?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Facts always get in the way of the dreams of the Left.

Do you really think current copper material output potential is going to make EV technology pack up and disappear?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You should consider emigrating to Australia. There, buses convert to trains on the fly.

Are you talking about the O-Bahn in Adelaide?

 

[dkovic77]

Yes, I was in the field of endeavor at one time. So please let's have no pretentious assumptions of superior knowledge.

Ummm, you still quote sources from overly biased places that are almost all opinion. So yes, we do make superior knowledge statements when compared to you. We got it. You don’t.

Are you going with Vlad to the same place Taylor Swift is with Travis?

 

[Chernosoth]

The Statue of Liberty is made of copper. I would not be surprised if replacing copper with cheaper metal has started in hidden parts of the structure. And there are drug addicts who specialize in burning down houses for a few hundred dollars of copper.

 

[Rightguide]

Ummm, you still quote sources from overly biased places that are almost all opinion. So yes, we do make superior knowledge statements when compared to you. We got it. You don’t.

Are you going with Vlad to the same place Taylor Swift is with Travis?

You don't "get" anything.

I don't give two shits about Vlad, Taylor Swift, or Travis. I have no idea where they might be going. I only care about where I'm going and who I'm visiting.