Hateful reviews

[TertiusHuman]

Just curious, why did Literotica reject your stories? Based on your reference to guns below, did it have something to do with the depiction of violence? From what other people have said, Lit's policy on violence can be inconsistent. There are just too many submissions here for Laurel to read them all carefully. There is another site that has several moderators who read stories very closely, but it can take two or three weeks to get approval. But, yes, they are very picky about violence.

Gun calibers: whatever the topic is, there will be some reader out there who has deep knowledge of it. From what little I know, when you mentioned long-range and .50 caliber ammunition, I assume you were referring to a sniper rifle.

Yes, it was a short story (less than 1k words) on a sniper. There was no extensive description of the shooting itself, I had it proofread by three different people, ran it through two different grammar checkers and it got rejected for grammar issues.

I don't want to slam the site, I mean, I am here every day, writing Roleplays on the Online and Sexual threads and I am enjoying myself. So if stories get posted here and it is in the genres that I like, I read them as I get time. As I said, don't want to slam the site at all.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I know. This is something I need to learn.

My stories did ok. None of them did very well.
I didn't read the comments on my last chapter, I was afraid it was people upset that I decided to discontinue posting and I hate making people upset.

My audience was maybe 5 people No one comes to an erotica website to read romantic drivel. My ratings aren't very good.
I didn't read the comments from my last chapter, I hate dealing with conflict and knew I would get upset reading people being upset/angry, so I couldn't bring myself to read them.

You do have the option of going to another site (I'd have to think of which ones would be best) if you feel uncomfortable here. But that Sidney43 person who commented on Chapter 14; I looked him up. And what has he published here? Nothing! My attitude towards somebody like that is: f_______ him. Let's see what, if anything, he can come up with himself. Yet even he (or maybe it's a she) admitted that he found the story interesting.

I don't like controversy and conflict either, which is probably why I publish stuff (on three sites now) anyway. I've bombed a few times, but I refuse to back down. I come back and try it again.

You already have fifty followers with only sixteen stories. That's a good start; it's taken me four years to get about 84. And your ratings, honestly, have been superb, about as good as any I've seen here.

 

[SimonDoom]

I know. This is something I need to learn.

My stories did ok. None of them did very well.
I didn't read the comments on my last chapter, I was afraid it was people upset that I decided to discontinue posting and I hate making people upset.

My audience was maybe 5 people No one comes to an erotica website to read romantic drivel. My ratings aren't very good.
I didn't read the comments from my last chapter, I hate dealing with conflict and knew I would get upset reading people being upset/angry, so I couldn't bring myself to read them.

I think you may need to adjust your expectations about "very good" is here. Your ratings averages appear comparable to mine. The last chapter of your 15 chapter had over 2000 views had a score of 4.74. That's very good. Romance scores don't always get high views; they're nothing like those in incest. That's true for almost everybody. That's the norm.

You said your "audience was maybe 5 people." I don't know where you get that; it's not true. Chapter 15 had over 2000 views. Check how many votes it got. Your audience (meaning people who read the whole thing) is somewhere between 2000 and whatever the vote number is; it's hard to tell where the number lies within that range; but it's somewhere between those two numbers.

There's no such thing as perfection. Take a few lumps, enjoy your success (it's there in front of your eyes if you just want to see it, and keep trying to improve.

Also, you might try more standalone stories and try different categories. I think you get less invested in a story that way and wear their success or failure more lightly.

 

[IDaDoc]

As Yowser said, Welcome to Loving Wives! You are not alone.

What you have experienced is extremely common, and you should not take it personally. It is not a reflection on the quality of your writing.

If you publish a story in Loving Wives about a wife having sex outside marriage, where both the wife and husband enjoy it, that story will draw vitriolic comments. It does not matter how well written it is. There is a rabid contingent of readers in that category who routinely savage such stories. There's nothing you can do about it.

However, some things to consider: I scanned your story "My Very Loving Wife." You've had a lot of views and a lot of comments on that story, and most of those comments are positive. You should feel good about that. Yes, there are trolls, but you have more fans than trolls. With these types of stories, you should focus on the positive and not the negative.

Thank you. All of these comments are very encouraging.

 

[IDaDoc]

You do have the option of going to another site (I'd have to think of which ones would be best) if you feel uncomfortable here. But that Sidney43 person who commented on Chapter 14; I looked him up. And what has he published here? Nothing! My attitude towards somebody like that is: f_______ him. Let's see what, if anything, he can come up with himself. Yet even he (or maybe it's a she) admitted that he found the story interesting.

I don't like controversy and conflict either, which is probably why I publish stuff (on three sites now) anyway. I've bombed a few times, but I refuse to back down. I come back and try it again.

You already have fifty followers with only sixteen stories. That's a good start; it's taken me four years to get about 84. And your ratings, honestly, have been superb, about as good as any I've seen here.

Thank you SO much!

 

[IDaDoc]

You do have the option of going to another site (I'd have to think of which ones would be best) if you feel uncomfortable here. But that Sidney43 person who commented on Chapter 14; I looked him up. And what has he published here? Nothing! My attitude towards somebody like that is: f_______ him. Let's see what, if anything, he can come up with himself. Yet even he (or maybe it's a she) admitted that he found the story interesting.

I don't like controversy and conflict either, which is probably why I publish stuff (on three sites now) anyway. I've bombed a few times, but I refuse to back down. I come back and try it again.

You already have fifty followers with only sixteen stories. That's a good start; it's taken me four years to get about 84. And your ratings, honestly, have been superb, about as good as any I've seen here.

Thank you SO much

 

[BiscuitHammer]

Consumers of free erotica leaving hateful reviews. They know they're a joke and these are expressions of the limits of the personal power they will ever achieve in their lives.

One could go the Gandalf route and have a sense of pity for them.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Consumers of free erotica leaving hateful reviews. They know they're a joke and these are expressions of the limits of the personal power they will ever achieve in their lives.

One could go the Gandalf route and have a sense of pity for them.

Or, take the Gandalf route and smack them with a big stick. It's all good.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Or, take the Gandalf route and smack them with a big stick. It's all good.

The problem is that I suspect many of these people never read the responses to their comments; they forget about it and move on. I only respond if I have something pertinent to say to them; mostly I ignore them.

 

[windar]

Consumers of free erotica leaving hateful reviews.

A bit like going to the local soup kitchen and complaining about the food, isn't it?

 

[JoRay]

You can turn off comments on just the LW stories you post and leave them for everything else

"Compartmentalization." It keeps wildfires from spreading. Post all of your LW stories under a single user name, and turn PMs, voting, and comments off. Use a different user name for each "genre" you publish stories under, allow or disallow PMs, voting, and comments as you see fit. Use one user name that has no stories attached to it to check out AH, SI, and leave helpful comments like this one...

 

[windar]

"Compartmentalization." It keeps wildfires from spreading. Post all of your LW stories under a single user name, and turn PMs, voting, and comments off. Use a different user name for each "genre" you publish stories under, allow or disallow PMs, voting, and comments as you see fit. Use one user name that has no stories attached to it to check out AH, SI, and leave helpful comments like this one...

Seems like a lot of trouble just to post dirty stories on a free site. It's easier and much more fun to post on a site where you get a lot of comments, all favorable, many laugh out loud funny and no need to change your identity. Lit isn't the only site in the universe, nor even the best. Just sayin'

 

[HisArpy]

Why would the site owners bother to do that, give you personalised attention? That's speculative paranoia if ever I've heard it. Readers might be having a go at your stories, sure, but I can't see why management would bother.

Like I said, I can't prove a thing, yet I've watched it happen with my own eyes. Once I even created a spreadsheet to track the numbers before giving that up as a fruitless exercise because it doesn't change a thing, let alone the mind of whoever is doing it.

As for "why", let's just say that I'm one of those whom Lit's management doesn't agree with politically and my stores tend to drop in their ratings right after I post controversial stuff on the politics board. And that happens WITHOUT the total number of votes changing. In that vein, coincidences rarely are and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out when it happens.

 

[HisArpy]

I know. This is something I need to learn.

My stories did ok. None of them did very well.
I didn't read the comments on my last chapter, I was afraid it was people upset that I decided to discontinue posting and I hate making people upset.

My audience was maybe 5 people No one comes to an erotica website to read romantic drivel. My ratings aren't very good.
I didn't read the comments from my last chapter, I hate dealing with conflict and knew I would get upset reading people being upset/angry, so I couldn't bring myself to read them.

Actually, that's not true. This Story doesn't have a single drop of sex in it yet it has a high rating. ( 6200 views/4.74 rating after 160 votes.)

 

[SimonDoom]

Like I said, I can't prove a thing, yet I've watched it happen with my own eyes. Once I even created a spreadsheet to track the numbers before giving that up as a fruitless exercise because it doesn't change a thing, let alone the mind of whoever is doing it.

As for "why", let's just say that I'm one of those whom Lit's management doesn't agree with politically and my stores tend to drop in their ratings right after I post controversial stuff on the politics board. And that happens WITHOUT the total number of votes changing. In that vein, coincidences rarely are and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out when it happens.

I don't believe this for one second. I think you are misinterpreting whatever data you are seeing. It is extremely implausible that Lit's management gives two hoots about what your political views are and that it is taking any effort whatsoever to punish you for them. Why would they care? It's a two-person operation and they're stretched to the max. They're not going to spend time on that. Be serious.

It certainly is possible that by publishing stuff on the Politics board you are drawing trolls who downvote your stories. There are other authors here who have encountered that problem. My own view is I don't understand why someone would want to contribute to the Politics Board at this site. It's a worthless cesspool. Avoid it. But don't blame site management. It likely has nothing to do with management.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Why would the site owners bother to do that, give you personalised attention? That's speculative paranoia if ever I've heard it. Readers might be having a go at your stories, sure, but I can't see why management would bother.

Authors have vivid imaginations.

 

[HisArpy]

I don't believe this for one second. I think you are misinterpreting whatever data you are seeing. It is extremely implausible that Lit's management gives two hoots about what your political views are and that it is taking any effort whatsoever to punish you for them. Why would they care? It's a two-person operation and they're stretched to the max. They're not going to spend time on that. Be serious.

It certainly is possible that by publishing stuff on the Politics board you are drawing trolls who downvote your stories. There are other authors here who have encountered that problem. My own view is I don't understand why someone would want to contribute to the Politics Board at this site. It's a worthless cesspool. Avoid it. But don't blame site management. It likely has nothing to do with management.

Another thing I've noticed about Lit is that many of those who post here trying seemingly to be helpful are themselves trolls when no one is looking at them. They tend to have one characteristic they cannot hide; that they just don't believe anything another author posts about how Lit operates. No matter what it is, it's never Lit's fault that things go bad. Even when it's obvious that Lit and only Lit can control what's happening, these forum members always blame the guy who makes the observations and disbelieve that Lit has anything to do with any of what's happening.


I also noticed that one of my stories dropped 3pts overnight. Perhaps that's my imagination as well?

 

[windar]

Another thing I've noticed about Lit is that many of those who post here trying seemingly to be helpful are themselves trolls when no one is looking at them. They tend to have one characteristic they cannot hide; that they just don't believe anything another author posts about how Lit operates. No matter what it is, it's never Lit's fault that things go bad. Even when it's obvious that Lit and only Lit can control what's happening, these forum members always blame the guy who makes the observations and disbelieve that Lit has anything to do with any of what's happening.


I also noticed that one of my stories dropped 3pts overnight. Perhaps that's my imagination as well?

Look, few here have been as critical of this site as I have. I've said it's poorly run, full of hostitility and silly competitiveness over basically nothing with policies that are either opaque, poorly applied or both. I've said many times that I'm not going to post any more stories here because I can't know what the rules are and how they will be applied and that the other sites I post stories on are more enjoyable and/or pay better.

Despite that, I have no complaints about the scores on the stories I have posted, which haven't changed since early on (in fact they have trended up slightly as far as I can tell). So, there are many things wrong with the site, but I've seen no evidence of what you are complaining about.

 

[SimonDoom]

Another thing I've noticed about Lit is that many of those who post here trying seemingly to be helpful are themselves trolls when no one is looking at them. They tend to have one characteristic they cannot hide; that they just don't believe anything another author posts about how Lit operates. No matter what it is, it's never Lit's fault that things go bad. Even when it's obvious that Lit and only Lit can control what's happening, these forum members always blame the guy who makes the observations and disbelieve that Lit has anything to do with any of what's happening.


I also noticed that one of my stories dropped 3pts overnight. Perhaps that's my imagination as well?

I frequently question and criticize how Lit does things, and I try to offer constructive suggestions about how things could be done differently.

But it's a whole other thing to impute malicious intent to the Site owners and suggest that they have targeted you because of your politics, or whatever. I just don't believe that.

If your story's score dropped it's because it attracted some bad votes or some good votes were deleted in a sweep. But it is improbable to the point of silliness to imagine that Laurel and Manu, whose time already is stretched to the max running this place, are targeting you and hurting your scores. They have no motive to do that; messing around with author scores hurts them, not helps them.

When you say a story "lost three points" what do you mean? Do you mean that it lost .03 points? .3 points? .3 is a substantial loss for a story that's been around for a while and has over 100 votes. But .03 is nothing.

If a story has under 100 points, then its score can be influenced by an influx of good or bad scores.

I noticed that you post a lot of political commentary, including, particularly, negative comments about He Who Shall Not Be Named. That's the likely cause of the lower scores. You've attracted trolls. You wouldn't be the first person to see his story scores hurt because of political comments.

 

[HisArpy]

I frequently question and criticize how Lit does things, and I try to offer constructive suggestions about how things could be done differently.

But it's a whole other thing to impute malicious intent to the Site owners and suggest that they have targeted you because of your politics, or whatever. I just don't believe that.

If your story's score dropped it's because it attracted some bad votes or some good votes were deleted in a sweep. But it is improbable to the point of silliness to imagine that Laurel and Manu, whose time already is stretched to the max running this place, are targeting you and hurting your scores. They have no motive to do that; messing around with author scores hurts them, not helps them.

When you say a story "lost three points" what do you mean? Do you mean that it lost .03 points? .3 points? .3 is a substantial loss for a story that's been around for a while and has over 100 votes. But .03 is nothing.

If a story has under 100 points, then its score can be influenced by an influx of good or bad scores.

I noticed that you post a lot of political commentary, including, particularly, negative comments about He Who Shall Not Be Named. That's the likely cause of the lower scores. You've attracted trolls. You wouldn't be the first person to see his story scores hurt because of political comments.

1. Like I said, there's a LOT of members who "try to be helpful" when the reality is that they're trolls who hide behind multiple Alts. You sound exactly like that type of forum member to me. Someone which the OP seems to have run into as well, and which was the motivation for this thread.

2. Lol. Like ROFLMAO type lol. When a story drops ANY amount without ANY new votes, it's likely someone manipulating the data. My beef, which I clearly stated, is that my ratings drop without the total number of votes changing. They almost never go up, only drop. Tell me smart guy, how exactly do you explain that?

3. Why does my posting activity have anything to do with the worth of a story I submit for publication here? Are you saying that you rate stories based on the perceived characteristics of the person who wrote it rather than the story's merits? Are you type of person who, because they might have an opposite view would prefer that those whom you don't agree with never get to express themselves in any form or format? And of course if, say, a troll did decide to exact revenge against someone for having an opinion, that's ok with you? And apparently the fact that not only you but management is ok with it, because they have to power to stop it yet don't, means that the issue isn't even worth considering because the person who mentions it is someone who isn't politically agreeable, right?

4. I stopped submitting here for the reasons I've given. If you don't like it, fuck off and go 1-bomb to your heart's content.

 

[HisArpy]

Look, few here have been as critical of this site as I have. I've said it's poorly run, full of hostitility and silly competitiveness over basically nothing with policies that are either opaque, poorly applied or both. I've said many times that I'm not going to post any more stories here because I can't know what the rules are and how they will be applied and that the other sites I post stories on are more enjoyable and/or pay better.

Despite that, I have no complaints about the scores on the stories I have posted, which haven't changed since early on (in fact they have trended up slightly as far as I can tell). So, there are many things wrong with the site, but I've seen no evidence of what you are complaining about.

So basically because it's not happening to you it's not happening? Yeah, that fly's (not).

 

[SimonDoom]

1. Like I said, there's a LOT of members who "try to be helpful" when the reality is that they're trolls who hide behind multiple Alts. You sound exactly like that type of forum member to me. Someone which the OP seems to have run into as well, and which was the motivation for this thread.

2. Lol. Like ROFLMAO type lol. When a story drops ANY amount without ANY new votes, it's likely someone manipulating the data. My beef, which I clearly stated, is that my ratings drop without the total number of votes changing. They almost never go up, only drop. Tell me smart guy, how exactly do you explain that?

3. Why does my posting activity have anything to do with the worth of a story I submit for publication here? Are you saying that you rate stories based on the perceived characteristics of the person who wrote it rather than the story's merits? Are you type of person who, because they might have an opposite view would prefer that those whom you don't agree with never get to express themselves in any form or format? And of course if, say, a troll did decide to exact revenge against someone for having an opinion, that's ok with you? And apparently the fact that not only you but management is ok with it, because they have to power to stop it yet don't, means that the issue isn't even worth considering because the person who mentions it is someone who isn't politically agreeable, right?

4. I stopped submitting here for the reasons I've given. If you don't like it, fuck off and go 1-bomb to your heart's content.

You just answered your own question. You insulted me, made up fake nonsense about me, and told me to F off.

I have no alts. This is the only version of me that has ever participated at Literotica. I have never trolled or downvoted anybody or their story, ever, just because I didn't like them, or their politics, and I never will. I haven't read your stories yet or voted on them, and if I did I would vote based on the merits and ignore the politics. Your politics, whatever they are, don't bother me.

But there ARE people here who go after authors because they don't like things they've said, either on the Politics Board or elsewhere. If you post a lot in the Politics Board, and especially if you do so in a provocative, snarky, obnoxious way, like this post you just made to me, you are more likely to attract haters who go after your stories. That's just the reality. I think Oggbashan would tell you the same thing. He's been publishing stories here for a long time, and I believe he attracts downvoters because he posts a lot in the Politics Board.

I don't do it, because I just don't ever do that sort of thing, but also because I generally steer clear of the Politics Board, which I see as a complete waste of time.

I don't have an explanation for the scores and votes you are seeing for your stories. But I generally try to stick to the concept of Occam's Razor: if you see lights in the sky, it's probably not alien visitors. If you see weird stuff going on with your scores, it's probably not because Literotica is out to get you.

You might try being nicer to people, being less suspicious, and not jumping to conclusions about how others are out to get you. You can disagree with people without being nasty to them. Your stories' scores might fare better if you behave better.

 

[JoRay]

Dearest Simon,

Why pay heed to assholes?

Love.

Jo and Ray

 

[SimonDoom]

Dearest Simon,

Why pay heed to assholes?

Love.

Jo and Ray

Good question.

First, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and assume that perhaps somebody jumped the gun and said something that they might take back with a little dialogue. Sometimes I say things in a way where, if I thought about it, I'd say it differently. We all do this. I don't assume that HisArpy is an A-Hole. I think he made some wrong assumptions about the people he's communicating with.

Second, when I post something it's not just to a specific person, but to everybody who might read it. If I feel the record needs to be cleared up I do that. I don't want a false allegation about me to be made without me responding. I do not troll, I have never had an alt, and I do not downvote, period, ever, because of my feelings about somebody or their politics. I want people to know that.

 

[Lovecraft_Lore]

Maybe learn to thrive on the hatred of others.

I am relatively new to posting on this site. I have read submission for years and really enjoy the variety. There are submission on topics such as forced sex and incest that get favorable reviews. My personal interest is hotwife/"loving wife" and mild cuckolding. I have posted three submissions that have not only been criticized, but in the most vitriolic, angry, hateful manner. There are thousands of posts in this genre that don't get that. I would really appreciate feedback on why my posts seem to garner such dislike. They generally seem pretty vanilla to me. Maybe it's just trolls, but I didn't expect to encounter that here.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Doc

People hate your stories because you posted in loving wives. It is filled with incels who think women love getting their cervix poked by 14 inch monsters. Maybe post in group sex.

I got tired of the negative comments so I just quit posting my writing.

It was nice to see the positive feedback and to know people actually enjoyed something that came from me, but the negativity weighed on me and I strive for perfection and making people happy so I decided since I can't make people happy I would give it up.

Maybe people are happy reading the negative comments about your stories. Something they cannot do if you don't post anything more. I know I enjoy getting vitriol over some of my stories. Also, nothing you say or do can make others feel some way. It is on them to decide how they feel. Write what you enjoy and they will feel however they feel.