Planned Parenthood Prez: Fund Planned Parenthood to stop abortion

[hsnh]

I agree with most of what MarkJ said.
-- Asking the public to fund abortions for up to 2 accidental pregnancies seems fair and humane.
-- But not when citizens are asked to fund irresponsible women who use abortion as a method of birth control.

In saying that, it gets complicated.
-- What if the latter category can't afford to pay and try to abort the baby by themselves - all sorts of things that could lead to a brain damaged baby?
Or turn into baby making factories: give birth then dump the child in orphanage or foster care, like (s)he's some sort of diseased tooth.



ETA
This keeps coming up + + + + on the GB but it's hard to find a resolution. And all sorts of new angles emerge.
It's one of the most complex and difficult topics ever.

 

[adrina]

17+ years of total cave of death abstinence and this glorious 10" of beautiful loveloaf has never swung sweeter.

Babykillers as women always overrate themselves.

You're an idiot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes I do as I think it is an investment into society.

Clearly.....like I said, you have no problem supporting force of government to come take my money to pay for shit you support. Forcing your views upon me in just about the most invasive and violent way legally possible.

But you don't see that as any sort of imposing your values upon me right?

But me saying "no, you pay for your own shit." is foisting my religious views upon you, theocracy, taking choice, rights and HC access away from women.

Right?

 

[irksomesauce]

Too bad I'm not a completely defenseless little baby so you could intentionally kill me just for convenience, eh?

 

[adrina]

Clearly.....like I said, you have no problem supporting force of government to come take my money to pay for shit you support. Forcing your views upon me in just about the most invasive and violent way legally possible.

But you don't see that as any sort of imposing your values upon me right?

But me saying "no, you pay for your own shit." is foisting my religious views upon you, theocracy, taking choice, rights and HC access away from women.

Right?

We fund healthcare through medicare so yes I want PPH included. You act like it's me personally and not the system we are in.

We don't have the option of a la carte taxation. Wars, roads, utility infrastructure... blah blah. We as a society benefit greatly from PPH. Whether you realize and accept it or not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

yes

Ok, cool.

You act like it's me personally and not the system we are in.

It is you....you openly support that system, you are that system.

We don't have the option of a la carte taxation. Wars, roads, utility infrastructure... blah blah.

Yea we do. Do it all the time.

We as a society benefit greatly from PPH. Whether you realize and accept it or not.

Cool!!! That doesn't change the very core of the political action you support.

Nor does it change your bullshit claims of taking away women's rights, the right to choice or foisting religious views upon you and others by not paying for your shit.

The only people doing any imposing and foisting of values/views, and removing of any choice are those who support public funding for PP.

 

[adrina]

Yes would have sufficed.




It is you....you openly support that system, you are that system.




Yea we do. Do it all the time.



Cool!!! That doesn't change the very core of the political action you support.

Nor does it change your bullshit claims of taking away women's rights, the right to choice or foisting religious views upon you and others by not paying for your shit.

The only people doing any imposing and foisting of values/views, and removing of any choice are those who support public funding for PP.

Well then go vote for Gary Johnson.

In the meantime, in the system we are in, we fund HC through medicare. To defund/disinclude PPH would be for partisan and frankly, religious, reasons. Which would be foisting their religiosity on the entire country.

Your libertarian bent changes none of that.

Your circular logic is impressive. Still asinine and devoid of the reality we are in, but impressive.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well then go vote for Gary Johnson.

No.

In the meantime, in the system we are in, we fund HC through medicare. To defund/disinclude PPH would be for partisan and frankly, religious, reasons. Which would be foisting their religiosity on the entire country.

No, it's not.

At no point is making you pay for your own shit foisting anything on anyone.

The only people foisting anything have been you and yours foisting your beliefs upon others by forcing them to pay at the end of a gun.

Your libertarian bent changes none of that.

My liberal bent is irrelevant, you're just lying....point blank.

Your circular logic is impressive. Still asinine and devoid of the reality we are in, but impressive.

You mean the reality where you forcing others to pay for your beliefs is not imposing at all, but being made to pay for your own shit is a violation of your rights, right to choose and denial of HC to women. LOL

BTW there is no circular reasoning going on.

 

[adrina]

Blah to blah to blah

Same circular shit, same circular day.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Same circular shit, same circular day.

http://soniammiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Head-In-Sand-700x400.jpg

Yea that's what I thought. Allllllllllllllllll that justification and a you can't have the microscopic shred of decency it takes to just admit this doesn't have anything to do with rights or choices and doesn't force anything upon anyone. You just want free shit.

BTW there is still no circular reasoning going on....I don't think you know what that term means LOL

 

[adrina]

Dude, that's a great image of you (in drag, mind you but whatever, this is Lit - do as you please) as you continue to try to remake our society into your ideal image while accusing me of trying to enforce my "radical perspective" of wanting to keep an existing element intact.

Nicely done. Would you like a cookie?

 

[richard_daily]

At least you recognise a huge waste problem with government programs.

Mostly in the defense industry.

 

[richard_daily]

Abortions save money. They save the government money. They save tax money.

So does most health care, at least in a non-profit driven system.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dude, that's a great image of you (in drag, mind you but whatever, this is Lit - do as you please) as you continue to try to remake our society into your ideal image while accusing me of trying to enforce my "radical perspective" of wanting to keep an existing element intact.

Nicely done. Would you like a cookie?

Do you or do you not want to force EVERYONE to pay for PP at the end of a gun???

 

[BotanyBoy]

Abortions save money. They save the government money. They save tax money.

So does most health care, at least in a non-profit driven system.

I don't see that as saving money. It's all an expense. The only real savings would be to quit making the taxpayer pay for everyone's pet projects, scams and fuck ups.

Otherwise this is the USA...it will all just turn into a black hole where billions vanish into thin air (elite pockets) every year.

 

[richard_daily]

Nope...all an expense. The only real savings would be to quit making the taxpayer pay for everyone's pet projects, scams and fuck ups.

Otherwise this is the USA...it will all just turn into a black hole where billions vanish into thin air (elite pockets) every year.

health care isn't a pet project, scam, or a fuck up. It's what all first world nations should be providing as a basic service.

It's more important than national defense, securing the borders, or locking up people for petty drug offenses at a rate higher than almost every 3rd world nation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

health care isn't a pet project, scam, or a fuck up. It's what all first world nations should be providing as a basic service.

Consider the way it's been handled in the USA.

It's a pet project and a scam and shows not so much as intent to be anything else.

I might consider it as such if anyone in this country was looking at it as anything other than a way to fill their pockets. But until the price gouging fuck fuck games stop I just can't look at it as anything more than another war on drugs....it's a scam.

It's more important than national defense, securing the borders,

Not according to the Constitution.

And while I understand that position, I disagree.

1) securing the borders is integral to the very existence of a nation. No borders? No USA.

2)National defense comes right after that for pretty much the same reasons. If you're not willing to defend/secure your borders, they are meaningless lines on a map for people to laugh at while they come here and rat fuck it.

or locking up people for petty drug offenses at a rate higher than almost every 3rd world nation.

Higher than every nation on the planet.

We are the greatest prison/police state that has ever existed, no other has even come close.


If we were to actually treat HC like a utility instead of a way to butt fuck everyone for as much money as possible, I'd put it just under the actual establishment of the nation itself. Right there with the power grid, highway system etc.

Important sure, but not critical to the very existence of the state itself.

 

[adrina]

Do you or do you not want to force EVERYONE to pay for PP at the end of a gun???

I want it to be continued to be funded as it is now under medicare.

Unlike you who want to get rid of medicare altogether.

But I'm the one trying to force my perspective on society.

You've got some mighty funky logic systems goin' there pal.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But I'm the one trying to force my perspective on society.

You just admitted you want to used the government to force people to pay for PP.

I want it to be continued to be funded as it is now under medicare.

If I put a gun to your and everyone else's head and force you to pay for my pet projects, would you not consider that me forcing my perspective on society?

Unlike you who want to get rid of medicare altogether.

You've got some mighty funky logic systems goin' there pal.

Then tell me how everyone paying for their own shit, everyone responsible for their own fuck ups, is forcing anything on anyone.......

The very notion that it is, is about as sane as you calling the defunding of PP an attack on women's rights.

 

[adrina]

You're tiring.

I want to keep something that already exists. Wow. I'm such a bully.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're tiring.

I want to keep something that already exists. Wow. I'm such a bully.

Already existing doesn't change what it is.

You want to use the government to force everyone to pay for your pet project.

Even AGAINST the wishes of the voters of the USA.

 

[adrina]

Already existing doesn't change what it is.

You want to use the government to force everyone to pay for your pet project.

Even AGAINST the wishes of the voters of the USA.

Wow. That's impressive. I mean really. You've done some numbers before, but I have to give you points on this one. Sincere effort. 9 out of 10. Didn't stick the landing though.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wow. That's impressive. I mean really. You've done some numbers before, but I have to give you points on this one. Sincere effort. 9 out of 10. Didn't stick the landing though.

What do you find wrong with it?

Are you now retracting your support for publicly funding PP ?

Or are you unaware that we currently live under a democratically elected Republican government right now?

 

[adrina]

What do you find wrong with it?

Are you now retracting your support for publicly funding PP ?

Or are you unaware that we currently live under a democratically elected Republican government right now?

Your reality lacks nuance.

Your tactics lack accuracy.

I lack fucks to give.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Your reality lacks nuance.

Yours lacks definition.

Your tactics lack accuracy.

I lack fucks to give.

Deflect and run away.

As usual.

You can lie to yourself all you want and pretend nuance somehow makes it not what it is and shit talk now that you've cornered yourself a hypocrite and partisan hack bullshitter all you want. I did what I came here to do

I look forward to the future and seeing what other special interest you consider rights and have no problem forcing others to fund against their will as long as it's something YOU consider worthy of forcing upon everyone.

I'm guessing a white male taxe....or even just a man tax where guys pay extra taxes to make up for the extreme suffering women live under in this horrible horrible patriarchy women are forced to endure called western civilization when they could be living in a feminist paradise like Iraq.