The Rangerettes In Perspective.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

A female Navy pilot said it today.

THE GUY RANGERS ARE THE BEST PHYSICAL SPECIMENS FOR THEIR AGE AND SEX. IF THE WOMEN ARE THE BEST FEMALES THE PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MALES AND FEMALES IS STUNNING. THEY WOULDNT COMPETE IN THE OLYMPICS.

CONSIDER A 130 POUND FEMALE VS A 180 POUND MALE. PUT THEM IN A BOXING RING.

There's your feel good bullshit.

 

[Adre]

A female Navy pilot said it today.

THE GUY RANGERS ARE THE BEST PHYSICAL SPECIMENS FOR THEIR AGE AND SEX. IF THE WOMEN ARE THE BEST FEMALES THE PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MALES AND FEMALES IS STUNNING. THEY WOULDNT COMPETE IN THE OLYMPICS.

CONSIDER A 130 POUND FEMALE VS A 180 POUND MALE. PUT THEM IN A BOXING RING.

There's your feel good bullshit.

Let's put you in the ring with one, petunia.

 

[kbate]

That's nice.

Not one in a hundred Rangers is Olympics quality either.

What's your point?

The two women passed the school, same standards, same weights, same course.

Deal with it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That's nice.

Not one in a hundred Rangers is Olympics quality either.

What's your point?

The two women passed the school, same standards, same weights, same course.

Deal with it.

No problem, they got the trophy but not the job. Its like winning a title cause the champ didn't show up.

 

[phrodeau]

Now they're qualified to make you a sandwich.

 

[Liar]

This has really gotten Jimbos panties inna bunch.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's nice.

Not one in a hundred Rangers is Olympics quality either.

What's your point?

The two women passed the school, same standards, same weights, same course.

Deal with it.

You keep believing that shit but women are given a double standard from the get go in the military. Check the APFT scores...if women were held to the same standard as men none would have even applied yet. Because males have to be fucking perfect before they are even allowed to apply.

So you show me her PT score where she qualified the same and I'll buy it....but I'm willing to be they were held to "female" standards.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Obama said today he wants to use the Rangerettes to storm Gay faculty lounges for Rump Rangers.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/women-army-ranger-graduation/

At an outdoor ceremony, Maj. Gen. Austin S. Miller, commanding general of the U.S. Army Maneuver Center of Excellence, addressed critics who questioned whether standards of the rigorous course were lowered for the two female Rangers. They met every requirement the men did, he said.

"Standards are still the same ... a 5-mile run is still a 5-mile run," he said. "Standards do not change. A 12-mile march is still a 12-mile march."

The current class started in April at Fort Benning, with 381 men and 19 women. The students were forced to train with minimal food and little sleep and had to learn how to operate in the woods, mountains and swamplands.

Students also had to undergo a physical fitness test that included 49 pushups, 59 situps, a 5-mile run in 40 minutes, six chin-ups, a swim test, a land navigation test, a 12-mile foot march in three hours, several obstacle courses, four days of military mountaineering, three parachute jumps, four air assaults on helicopters and 27 days of mock combat patrols.

By the end of the 62-day course, 94 men and two women met all the requirements.

I guess you're wrong.

 

[boomer177]

That's nice.

Not one in a hundred Rangers is Olympics quality either.

What's your point?

The two women passed the school, same standards, same weights, same course.

Deal with it.

He can't.

 

[BotanyBoy]

"Standards are still the same ... a 5-mile run is still a 5-mile run," he said. "Standards do not change. A 12-mile march is still a 12-mile march."

Question is, and the one brass keeps dodging here is are the women held to the mens standards or were they scored by their e z mode for girls biased charts like every other physical test in the military?

Did she have to do that 12 mile march in 2:15 or was she given 3:30 min to get the same points? 5 mile run in 36 min or in 45?

 

[Ishmael]

Yes, they passed. There may have been undue command influence involved, but they passed.


Getting to the nut of it, Ranger school is a leadership school. Tough as it is, it's still basically a leadership school and you get a "been there, done that tab" for passing. It doesn't get you in a Ranger regiment. Very few ever get invited to a regiment and many of those are invited to leave in fairly short order. Having the tab is NOT the same as being a Ranger. BEING a Ranger is a years long commitment.

So, time will tell whether they can cut the mustard or not.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

"Standards are still the same ... a 5-mile run is still a 5-mile run," he said. "Standards do not change. A 12-mile march is still a 12-mile march."

Question is, and the one brass keeps dodging here is are the women held to the mens standards or were they scored by their e z mode for girls biased charts like every other physical test in the military?

Did she have to do that 12 mile march in 2:15 or was she given 3:30 min to get the same points? 5 mile run in 36 min or in 45?

5-mile in 40 minutes, and 12-mile in 3 hours, according to CNN.

 

[phrodeau]

Yes, they passed. There may have been undue command influence involved, but they passed.


Getting to the nut of it, Ranger school is a leadership school. Tough as it is, it's still basically a leadership school and you get a "been there, done that tab" for passing. It doesn't get you in a Ranger regiment. Very few ever get invited to a regiment and many of those are invited to leave in fairly short order. Having the tab is NOT the same as being a Ranger. BEING a Ranger is a years long commitment.

So, time will tell whether they can cut the mustard or not.

Ishmael

Anything to put down women. The men all have the same mustard to cut.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Very few ever get invited to a regiment and many of those are invited to leave in fairly short order. Having the tab is NOT the same as being a Ranger. BEING a Ranger is a years long commitment.

Ishmael

Most never get or understand this little factoid.

LOL or how fucking rare they actually are. Saw some report not to long ago there are like 6x as many SEALS and like 4x as many long tabs than there are scrolls.

5-mile in 40 minutes, and 12-mile in 3 hours, according to CNN.

Yea they gotta meet minimum male standards.....surprise surprise surprise.

Males? At least an enlisted grunt....doesn't even get to apply unless he's pushing 33min on that 5 mile run and 2:20 min on a 12 mile. 1SG won't even let it out of the company that you tried to get in with less. At least that's how it was 12 years ago.

I just find it odd that after years of women from all branches getting fucking CRUSHED in like 48hrs or less....and some "Reviews of the program" now not a problem, plus a larger % of guys making it through that nothing has changed.

If normalization of female physical testing wasn't standard practice thought the military and this class was only graduating 60-70 something I'd totally believe it.

 

[Ishmael]

Anything to put down women. The men all have the same mustard to cut.

Women have NO role to play in combat units. It has nothing to do with intelligence, will, determination, or desire. It has everything to do with physical attributes over which they have no control. The only combat role where they are the equal of men is as an aircraft commander. Upper body strength plays no particular role in that job.

Running 5 or 12 miles in some time is not the same as humping a 100lb ruck under combat conditions. Or physically dealing with a 6'2", 230lb speedy 4 gone out of control.

Invariably when discussions on this subject come up some one throws out 'sniper.' Being totally ignorant of the roles that snipers are required to accomplish. Yes, women can shoot just as well as men and if that was the only requirement women should represent damn near half of all sniper slots. They don't because far more than shooting is required.

Women are NOT the equal of men in many aspects, just as men are NOT the equal of women in many respects. I'm continually amazed by the number of women that want to be a man while no man I know wants to be a woman.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I say put a fit-trained woman in the arena with a fit-trained man and see what happens.

I read somewhere that America's best female marathon runner ranks below 600 male marathon runners.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

On 2nd thought the basic problem with the Ranger School is the name. Call it what it is Warrior Confidence Course, then let its grads qualify for assignments based on their respective assets. Let the Rangers do their thing and let the girls become helicopter pilots or artillery officers or combat engineers or combat military police and other jobs that don't require hand to hand combat. The problem is the Ranger service. Make the confidence course the gate to promotion.

 

[jonpatato]

It was arranged so they could pass. Less weight in back pack. And other arrangements.

 

[phrodeau]

It was arranged so they could pass. Less weight in back pack. And other arrangements.

The women actually packed more than the men, since they needed feminine hygiene products.

http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-first-class-to-graduate-female-rangers-2015-8

 

[Sean]

It was arranged so they could pass. Less weight in back pack. And other arrangements.

That is just an outright lie.

 

[kbate]

Women have NO role to play in combat units. It has nothing to do with intelligence, will, determination, or desire. It has everything to do with physical attributes over which they have no control. The only combat role where they are the equal of men is as an aircraft commander. Upper body strength plays no particular role in that job.

Running 5 or 12 miles in some time is not the same as humping a 100lb ruck under combat conditions. Or physically dealing with a 6'2", 230lb speedy 4 gone out of control.

Invariably when discussions on this subject come up some one throws out 'sniper.' Being totally ignorant of the roles that snipers are required to accomplish. Yes, women can shoot just as well as men and if that was the only requirement women should represent damn near half of all sniper slots. They don't because far more than shooting is required.

Women are NOT the equal of men in many aspects, just as men are NOT the equal of women in many respects. I'm continually amazed by the number of women that want to be a man while no man I know wants to be a woman.

Ishmael

Either of these two women could easily kick you up and down the street, even back when you weren't a decrepit Social Security/Medicare Leech.

These two just proved that they're more than the equal of the 280 men who dropped out of the course, and those 280 were supposedly from the top of the Army.

They both survived West Point as well. Just in case you missed that.

Nobody said they wanted to be men. What you fear is that if a woman can do what a man can do, you might not be a man.


edit: How many rangers would state that it's a "Been there Done That" school? How very mature of you to denigrate the elite of our military in order to try to stab at two exceptional women.

 

[Everyday_Man]

These two just proved that they're more than the equal of the 280 men who dropped out of the course, and those 280 were supposedly from the top of the Army.

In perspective: Are the women?

Physically stronger than those 280? No (I'm willing to bet that 100% and that includes the ability to win a physical confrontation with them, but soldiers aren't suppose to get into one on one duels).

Better with guns? ... Better than some of them, not better than others I'd say ...

Faster? ... than some, I bet they were, then other, I'm sure they weren't ...

More Endurance? ... than some, yes, than others, no

Mentally Tougher? ... Yes (they did stay in for the entire course when it's easy to give up).

More Motivated to earn the Ranger Tab? ... Yes

Able to earn the respect of their peers? ... Yes

Better Team Leaders in a combat situation? ... Yes (if they're not, then that school is a failing at something)

Have the ability to serve in the 75th Ranger Regiment (unknown until they open that up, remember, you don't need to attend Ranger School to serve in that Regiment) although, certain jobs in that regiment do require them to pass Ranger School, especially in leadership roles.

Any other categories?


Do I give a shit? No

If one day women are allowed to become special operation operators the world will find out very quick if it was the right call or if it was a complete fuck up to allow it. I'm willing to bet before they allow women to try out for the 75 Ranger Regiment, they'll want at least 20+ who have passed the school (the school will probably be an unofficial requirement to get their foot in that door), hoping that the higher number will guarantee that at least one women is capable of serving with the men, they don't want to look stupid nor embarrass women (that'll just bring undeserved backlash).

Time will tell.


The problem with soldiers is that it takes an above average woman to compete with the average man (we're talking people who are physically fit for combat) ... there is not enough of them and the best of the men will always be above and beyond the best of the women. It's not sexist, it's just a physical fact.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In perspective: Are the women?

Physically stronger than those 280? No (I'm willing to bet that 100% and that includes the ability to win a physical confrontation with them, but soldiers aren't suppose to get into one on one duels).

Better with guns? ... Better than some of them, not better than others I'd say ...

Faster? ... than some, I bet they were, then other, I'm sure they weren't ...

More Endurance? ... than some, yes, than others, no

Mentally Tougher? ... Yes (they did stay in for the entire course when it's easy to give up).

More Motivated to earn the Ranger Tab? ... Yes

Able to earn the respect of their peers? ... Yes

Better Team Leaders in a combat situation? ... Yes (if they're not, then that school is a failing at something)

Have the ability to serve in the 75th Ranger Regiment (unknown until they open that up, remember, you don't need to attend Ranger School to serve in that Regiment) although, certain jobs in that regiment do require them to pass Ranger School, especially in leadership roles.

Any other categories?


Do I give a shit? No

If one day women are allowed to become special operation operators the world will find out very quick if it was the right call or if it was a complete fuck up to allow it. I'm willing to bet before they allow women to try out for the 75 Ranger Regiment, they'll want at least 20+ who have passed the school (the school will probably be an unofficial requirement to get their foot in that door), hoping that the higher number will guarantee that at least one women is capable of serving with the men, they don't want to look stupid nor embarrass women (that'll just bring undeserved backlash).

Time will tell.


The problem with soldiers is that it takes an above average woman to compete with the average man (we're talking people who are physically fit for combat) ... there is not enough of them and the best of the men will always be above and beyond the best of the women. It's not sexist, it's just a physical fact.

Uh the world used the last few million years to sort the sexes.

 

[butters]

The women actually packed more than the men, since they needed feminine hygiene products.

http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-first-class-to-graduate-female-rangers-2015-8

good article