Gaming vs Relationships

[fire_breeze]

No no no.... "dances with depression" are NOT the same as having a deep fight with depression. Now your words don't elaborate on how far in depression you were. But if you're describing it as a "dance," I would say that you have no earthly idea what depression is... As far as destroying your marriage, well I'm solely opposed to the concept of marriage in the first place. Marriage is not how humankind is hardwired. It's a cultural thing and if you look at stats... it's a disaster based on its very foundation. Marriages get destroyed more often than not. So... yeah... that doesn't mean you had a real fight with depression.




Okay so the brain is the sole source of what our body does. It facilitates, directs, and controls all actions of what we do. The picking up the ball analogy is perfect because the person literally cannot pick up the ball because they... well... just can't. The connection to the arm is still there. It's the BRAIN that is messed up.

The same can be said with ATTITUDE, MOTIVE, and DECISION MAKING. Think of those three concepts as your ARMS or LEGS. Maybe someone has "paralysis" of attitude? Maybe somebody is making poor decisions? Maybe they lack motive? It's all the same! The brain dictates what happens.

You see, I will take a little bit of pride in the fact that I have a PROFESSIONAL degree. Though I do NOT have extensive training in the central nervous system, I will say that I understand it a little better than any Joe Schmo off the street (don't misinterpret that to say that I'm calling you nor anybody else a "Joe Schmo." I have no idea WHAT YOU KNOW about the brain. You could be a neuroscience genius!) But regardless, I was caught off guard one day when I was casually talking about dopamine one day at work and NOBODY knew what dopamine actually did in the brain. I looked around... in a pharmacy. And then I asked "Do you guys not know the mechanisms of the reward center in the brain?" I received the deer-in-the-headlights look. "What about serotonin?" Glares.

My point? I understand the brain. I GET IT. Yes, I understand that there is a HUGE problem with what's going on in my head. I understand at least on a basic level the workings and mechanics of depression, anxiety, and how the brain works. So I'm just trying to figure out how my own brain can be fixed. Saying that you would hit somebody with a 2 x 4 because they're messed up will NOT get you nor them anywhere. All that's showing is your lack of understanding, your lack of compassion, and your frustration that they cannot get over their obstacles. You don't have that same frustration with a person who is PHYSICALLY paralyzed and cannot pick up a ball because you UNDERSTAND, you have COMPASSION, and you're NOT FRUSTRATED with them. They literally cannot do it. And it's because of the brain, not because of their muscles or arms.

Now, that brings up another point. Enabling? Enabling doesn't help either. I know that. So we can't just take people who have crippling depression or addiction and just let them live a life of constantly feeding off of their poison. So what's the answer? Well, the answer goes all the way back to the topics of evolution and natural selection. We need to let those people die. And because of culture and government, we have allowed those who are weak to be dragged on to the next stage. That's wasteful. The very thing that just gets under your skin. You're so mad, so infuriated, so frustrated with somebody like me who is draining precious resources from our earth. Welp, you can think culture and government for that.



Okay so yes, you're right. I am ignorant when it comes to what HR actually does. All I know is what I've seen from those HR representatives who have given speeches at orientations for work. I've never had any run-ins with HR ever but they just all seem to have a quirky control attitude which just presses my buttons wrong. I don't really care to go any further with the topic of HR. But when you talk about your work in other threads (I've seen maybe once or twice), I got that same vibe which is really more irritating than anything. So ultimately disregard the comment about HR's contribution to inhibiting natural selection.

Let me pose another question. This is somewhat hypothetical. How did a person like me become a pharmacist? How did make it through the 8 years of school and succeeding? How DO I continually make it though the daily stresses of going to work and handling my overall situation? Pretty interesting concept... a man with terrible depression, anxiety, and fear who has succeeded in profession which would be considered a very difficult objective. Or hell... maybe I'm NOT succeeding. Maybe I've bitten off more than I can chew. Hmm... weird.

As for your question, you do realise that statistically a large number of people who went to graduate school - that is, any other intensive schooling after getting a bachelor's - suffered, either temporarily or clinically, from depression. There are a lot of articles on the fact. Not just grad students, but also medical students as well. The two are not contradictions. In fact, you seem to fit very well into the post-bachelor's dynamic. Sorry, buddy.

Furthermore, Christopher, many of us do know what you are going through because we have been there, regardless if we call it 'dancing with depression' or being 'sunk into the hole'. How one person describes what s/he went/is going through does not diminish anyone's experiences because we've been there. Let me reiterate:

Many. Of. Us. Has. Been. There.

Many of us has hit rock bottom and then had boiling shit poured over us before being danced upon. The details are inconsequential. However, you are not the only one who experiences depression. Your situation is unique because it is yours. Another person's situation is unique because it is theirs. That said, you cannot say that one's person's stumble with depression is less real than yours because one does not live in a context that you deem acceptable. For you, it threatens your ability to act as a social being. For another, it threatened a commitment that is the foundation of her being. For someone else, it becomes a danger in how he can function at work, threatening his livelihood. Depression is depression, no matter what form it takes and what it threatens. Many of us knows what it is like to literally drown, to struggle to take a breath, let alone climb out of bed as if nothing has happened.

But many of us who has climbed out of the pit did it because we wanted to. It's one thing to understand what's going on, it's another to want to change. A silly comparison, but I completely understood that eating badly and not exercising was causing me to gain weight. Yet, it only took me actually wanting to be healthy for me to actually do something about it, thus losing 80lbs. Doctors could have prescribed me meds, but without the desire and the effort, it would have been futile. Similarly, you know and understand depression, and what is your brain doing, but unless you want and accept help... well.

You come on-line. You ask questions. You may frustrate us because we see your potential and so desperately want to help, and yet we can't, because you are not letting us. Then you say that maybe we should leave you alone or that you are not worth helping. That is not your call to make. It never was.

(NB, maybe YOU'RE opposed to the idea of marriage, but throughout much of homo sapiens' existence, the institute of marriage, however form it took, prospered and was/is crucial to most, if not all, societies and cultures. Furthermore, the stats you mention is centred around the Western sphere post 1990s and is not applicable historically or cross-culturally. Just a sore point with generalisation in anthropological matters with me, as I think you can understand).

With that being said, here are TWO events that happened this weekend. First of all, I had a very cute redhead ask me TO COME TO HER HOUSE on Friday. She said that she was GOING TO GET DRUNK. She wanted me to come over. She's 21 years old and she has been asking me to go out with her for about 3 months. I haven't declined but I have ignored all requests. On Thursday after work, she took me by the shoulders and said "HEY, IF YOU'RE BORED TOMORROW NIGHT, COME TO MY HOUSE. I'm GETTING DRUNK." Welp, she texted me yesterday and I ignored it. She is very nice and my friend. But I still played WoW instead.

The second instance. My good guy friend begged me to hang out tonight. He said we needed to just chill and grab some beers. He's a pharmacist and likes to hang out with me. I refused because I knew that I would be playing WoW.

Gaming vs. Relationships isn't just about sexual relationships. It's about relationships in general. I am playing WoW. I love it. I can't stop.

So... what's my deal? Am I a lost cause? I guess? If I'm not a lost cause, then what can I do to fix it? Guess nothing. I guess I have to fix it on my own.

Where am I heading? What is my ultimate destination? I dunno.... but you guys MUST realize that the brain is the most difficult organ to fight. If you have the guts, you have it. If you have the BALLS then you ALREADY ALREADY ALREADY had them. You DO NOT grow a pair. YOU ALREADY HAD THEM in the first place. You don't grow a set. You are who you are. That's it. The weak are the weak and the strong are the strong.

Why are you even fighting this? Let the weak die? Why are you fighting natural selection? Why are you saying that people "get over" stuff? NOPE, that's not true. The strong get over obstacles. The weak... die.... the weak... die.... the weak... THEY FUCKING DIE. Get over it. Don't tell ME to get over it. You let ME FUCKING DIE. Otherwise, I'll be a wasteful human who sucks the life out of the planet which will eventually burn up by the sun's death.

I am smart enough to know the truth. And the truth hurts. Even for you guys. Sorry... you have let the weak soak up your natural resources. Oops!

You realise that you have an addiction. A cute redhead asks you to come over and your best friend asks you to hang out. You ask if you are a lost cause. Many of us said no, you are not. You ask what to do to fix it. Many of us recommended many ways, not limited to a counsellor that you get along with (which takes a long time to find one that you can work with), rehab, therapy or even Gaming Anonymous. Addiction is a disease, and it's treatable (note that I said treatable, not curable). But, like any addiction, like any illness really, you have to not only acknowledge it (which you have) but also want to do something about it.

There is a reason why you went on this path of addiction. Maybe it is fear. Maybe it is low self-esteem. Maybe it's shoring up confidence. You feel safe and secure in playing WoW. Maybe you don't want to be hurt and disappointed by others. Who knows? I'm not a psychologist. But you have a disease and while there are many proven effective means to control said disease, unless you try and work at it, it ain't gonna do squat. You don't just fix it, and you certainly cannot do it alone. Sorry, bud.

You, my friend, have an illness. You are not weak. Being weak would mean not giving a flying rat's ass, not debating and defending depression as a valid illness. Being weak would mean not coming on here. Being weak would mean not acknowledging that you actually have addiction. That's what weak is.

There is no such thing as 'doctor heal thyself'. You know you should but you won't. I don't know if you are so terrified to actually change or you are terrified at letting yourself be happy.

Bottom line of this exceedingly long and rambling post? People care about you. They want to help. They are willing to spend time with you because you are you and they like you, so suck it up Princess. But while they can give you everything that you need, you are the one who actually has to reach out and grab what's offered.

Sorry, but that's the way it works.

 

[Christopher2012]

As for your question, you do realise that statistically a large number of people who went to graduate school - that is, any other intensive schooling after getting a bachelor's - suffered, either temporarily or clinically, from depression. There are a lot of articles on the fact. Not just grad students, but also medical students as well. The two are not contradictions. In fact, you seem to fit very well into the post-bachelor's dynamic. Sorry, buddy.

Furthermore, Christopher, many of us do know what you are going through because we have been there, regardless if we call it 'dancing with depression' or being 'sunk into the hole'. How one person describes what s/he went/is going through does not diminish anyone's experiences because we've been there. Let me reiterate:

Many. Of. Us. Has. Been. There.

Many of us has hit rock bottom and then had boiling shit poured over us before being danced upon. The details are inconsequential. However, you are not the only one who experiences depression. Your situation is unique because it is yours. Another person's situation is unique because it is theirs. That said, you cannot say that one's person's stumble with depression is less real than yours because one does not live in a context that you deem acceptable. For you, it threatens your ability to act as a social being. For another, it threatened a commitment that is the foundation of her being. For someone else, it becomes a danger in how he can function at work, threatening his livelihood. Depression is depression, no matter what form it takes and what it threatens. Many of us knows what it is like to literally drown, to struggle to take a breath, let alone climb out of bed as if nothing has happened.

But many of us who has climbed out of the pit did it because we wanted to. It's one thing to understand what's going on, it's another to want to change. A silly comparison, but I completely understood that eating badly and not exercising was causing me to gain weight. Yet, it only took me actually wanting to be healthy for me to actually do something about it, thus losing 80lbs. Doctors could have prescribed me meds, but without the desire and the effort, it would have been futile. Similarly, you know and understand depression, and what is your brain doing, but unless you want and accept help... well.

You come on-line. You ask questions. You may frustrate us because we see your potential and so desperately want to help, and yet we can't, because you are not letting us. Then you say that maybe we should leave you alone or that you are not worth helping. That is not your call to make. It never was.

(NB, maybe YOU'RE opposed to the idea of marriage, but throughout much of homo sapiens' existence, the institute of marriage, however form it took, prospered and was/is crucial to most, if not all, societies and cultures. Furthermore, the stats you mention is centred around the Western sphere post 1990s and is not applicable historically or cross-culturally. Just a sore point with generalisation in anthropological matters with me, as I think you can understand).




You realise that you have an addiction. A cute redhead asks you to come over and your best friend asks you to hang out. You ask if you are a lost cause. Many of us said no, you are not. You ask what to do to fix it. Many of us recommended many ways, not limited to a counsellor that you get along with (which takes a long time to find one that you can work with), rehab, therapy or even Gaming Anonymous. Addiction is a disease, and it's treatable (note that I said treatable, not curable). But, like any addiction, like any illness really, you have to not only acknowledge it (which you have) but also want to do something about it.

There is a reason why you went on this path of addiction. Maybe it is fear. Maybe it is low self-esteem. Maybe it's shoring up confidence. You feel safe and secure in playing WoW. Maybe you don't want to be hurt and disappointed by others. Who knows? I'm not a psychologist. But you have a disease and while there are many proven effective means to control said disease, unless you try and work at it, it ain't gonna do squat. You don't just fix it, and you certainly cannot do it alone. Sorry, bud.

You, my friend, have an illness. You are not weak. Being weak would mean not giving a flying rat's ass, not debating and defending depression as a valid illness. Being weak would mean not coming on here. Being weak would mean not acknowledging that you actually have addiction. That's what weak is.

There is no such thing as 'doctor heal thyself'. You know you should but you won't. I don't know if you are so terrified to actually change or you are terrified at letting yourself be happy.

Bottom line of this exceedingly long and rambling post? People care about you. They want to help. They are willing to spend time with you because you are you and they like you, so suck it up Princess. But while they can give you everything that you need, you are the one who actually has to reach out and grab what's offered.

Sorry, but that's the way it works.

No, it's totally not.

 

[Christopher2012]

It's Saturday night at 8 in our time zone, so I presume you've had a few.

LOL You think because I'm an alcoholic that I've had a drink at 8pm? Think again! My video games are way more important to me than alcohol and Xanax. I don't usually drink until the early hours of the morning because I would fall asleep. I can't be play with skill at WoW if I'm hammered... LOL At one point, I used to think that my only way to prevent alcoholism was to focus only on gaming.

Gaming overrides alcohol. Period. So nope, no alcohol. Will I tonight? Yep. But not until 1-3am.

 

[Hypoxia]

I still don't understand this... Do you truly want to change?

No, he doesn't want to change. He wants to whine. Don't feed the troll

 

[fire_breeze]

No, it's totally not.

Really? Then explain how it is.

Read what I have written and digest it. Do not think I am speaking out of my ass, because my dear, I don't do that.

Ever.

 

[Christopher2012]

Really? Then explain how it is.

Read what I have written and digest it. Do not think I am speaking out of my ass, because my dear, I don't do that.

Ever.

I would like to see sources showing that post-doctoral students go through depression. That's not true. And if you consider depression a fucking "DANCE," you have no idea what depression is...

Lows are not the same as depression. Everybody goes through low times in their lives but that does not mean they go through mental health issues. I've never seen any evidence that students who go through grad school go through depression unless they perhaps they have no job opportunities or something like that....

 

[NightL]

A lot of people your age will go out three times a week and binge drink. Not healthy but they would not necessarily be classed as an alcoholic. So you hold off your drinking until 1 - 3am, why does this make you more of an alcoholic than any other young person partying up?

Just because you do it at home and alone does not label you as an alcoholic. Should you drink less, certainly, but it appears you have honoured that title alcoholic on yourself. Sounds good - you have more problems now.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I am curious about your frequent use of the term substance abuse as well. Tells us Chris, what substances? Pot (nope that would put you to sleep, not good for gaming), ice or any other amphetamines? I doubt as you would actually have to get out of the house to buy and interact with people - and you probably then would not care about gaming. MDMA - nope - you are not loving life or us much. What substances Chris? Or is this just another self-honoured label to lessen your self esteem?

Do you drink during your working week at lunch time? How much? Do you have a couple of shots before heading out the door in the morning? Do you go straight to a bar the moment you leave your place of employment?

Drinking too much and writing self-pitying tirades does not make you an alcoholic (yet). Look around Lit is full of people writing all sorts of crazy things while under the influence of alcohol and more.

There have also been any number of threads about people dealing with or supporting those with varying mental disorders. I will give you this though, you are the first here that I have come across who bashes down just about every suggestion and offers of support.

You think we don't get you? Is your brand of depression more precious than any other? In the scheme of things you are not that unique and are far more normal than you want to be.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I would like to see sources showing that post-doctoral students go through depression. That's not true. And if you consider depression a fucking "DANCE," you have no idea what depression is...

Lows are not the same as depression. Everybody goes through low times in their lives but that does not mean they go through mental health issues. I've never seen any evidence that students who go through grad school go through depression unless they perhaps they have no job opportunities or something like that....

Someone who has been through something difficult may well refer to it as "a dance". Just like people who have been molested may refer to it as "a rough childhood". Or how addicts refer to their behaviours as "a dark time in my life". Blowing men for crack is far more than a "dark time in my life". Or, their life. Not mine. I never blew anyone for crack.

But yeah, I presumed the drinking had begun!

 

[Christopher2012]

A lot of people your age will go out three times a week and binge drink. Not healthy but they would not necessarily be classed as an alcoholic. So you hold off your drinking until 1 - 3am, why does this make you more of an alcoholic than any other young person partying up?

Just because you do it at home and alone does not label you as an alcoholic. Should you drink less, certainly, but it appears you have honoured that title alcoholic on yourself. Sounds good - you have more problems now.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I am curious about your frequent use of the term substance abuse as well. Tells us Chris, what substances? Pot (nope that would put you to sleep, not good for gaming), ice or any other amphetamines? I doubt as you would actually have to get out of the house to buy and interact with people - and you probably then would not care about gaming. MDMA - nope - you are not loving life or us much. What substances Chris? Or is this just another self-honoured label to lessen your self esteem?

Do you drink during your working week at lunch time? How much? Do you have a couple of shots before heading out the door in the morning? Do you go straight to a bar the moment you leave your place of employment?

Drinking too much and writing self-pitying tirades does not make you an alcoholic (yet). Look around Lit is full of people writing all sorts of crazy things while under the influence of alcohol and more.

There have also been any number of threads about people dealing with or supporting those with varying mental disorders. I will give you this though, you are the first here that I have come across who bashes down just about every suggestion and offers of support.

You think we don't get you? Is your brand of depression more precious than any other? In the scheme of things you are not that unique and are far more normal than you want to be.

You think I don't know what alcoholism is? You think that I don't know what substance abuse is? Motherfucker, I have a doctorate in SUBSTANCES. I know what it is.

An alcoholic isn't somebody who drinks at 10am. And alcoholic isn't something who walks around in a drunken stupor. Alcoholism is the dependence of alcohol. It doesn't present itself the same way in each individual. And it's a spectrum just like everything else. I'm not as addicted as somebody on the show Intervention but that makes it no less true.

I went 4 days without alcohol and Xanax one time. At work, my hands were shaking wildly, I was sweating, and I couldn't control my thoughts. It was at that very time that I knew I was an alcoholic. I depend on alcohol, Xanax, and video games to get me through my life.

How are you going to tell a pharmacist that he doesn't know what substance abuse is?

 

[Christopher2012]

Someone who has been through something difficult may well refer to it as "a dance". Just like people who have been molested may refer to it as "a rough childhood". Or how addicts refer to their behaviours as "a dark time in my life". Blowing men for crack is far more than a "dark time in my life". Or, their life. Not mine. I never blew anyone for crack.

But yeah, I presumed the drinking had begun!

No you assumed... there's a difference...

 

[Lord Pmann]

A lot of people your age will go out three times a week and binge drink. Not healthy but they would not necessarily be classed as an alcoholic. So you hold off your drinking until 1 - 3am, why does this make you more of an alcoholic than any other young person partying up?

Just because you do it at home and alone does not label you as an alcoholic. Should you drink less, certainly, but it appears you have honoured that title alcoholic on yourself. Sounds good - you have more problems now.

Since this is an anonymous forum, I am curious about your frequent use of the term substance abuse as well. Tells us Chris, what substances? Pot (nope that would put you to sleep, not good for gaming), ice or any other amphetamines? I doubt as you would actually have to get out of the house to buy and interact with people - and you probably then would not care about gaming. MDMA - nope - you are not loving life or us much. What substances Chris? Or is this just another self-honoured label to lessen your self esteem?

Do you drink during your working week at lunch time? How much? Do you have a couple of shots before heading out the door in the morning? Do you go straight to a bar the moment you leave your place of employment?

Drinking too much and writing self-pitying tirades does not make you an alcoholic (yet). Look around Lit is full of people writing all sorts of crazy things while under the influence of alcohol and more.

There have also been any number of threads about people dealing with or supporting those with varying mental disorders. I will give you this though, you are the first here that I have come across who bashes down just about every suggestion and offers of support.

You think we don't get you? Is your brand of depression more precious than any other? In the scheme of things you are not that unique and are far more normal than you want to be.

This is good shit. He's right. I mean, you're saying someone can't call depression a dance. Well, I say you can't call your problem a substance abuse problem until you're fucking a goat for money. Until then, you don't have it that baaaaaaaaahd. (See what I did there?)

 

[NightL]

I have given up, willingly, a significant amount of my time (this thread and others) to engage you over issues you raise. What are you going to do in return?

I'm bored of your smashing of mirrors and negativity - what are you actually going to do? What will your first positive step be?

If you intend doing absolutely nothing then don't write one single more reply to this thread and don't start another requesting suggestions.

What will be your first positive step?

 

[Lord Pmann]

No you assumed... there's a difference...

pre·sume /priˈzo͞om/
Suppose that something is the case on the basis of probability

It's Saturday. You're an alcoholic. I supposed that you were probably drinking. Yup. Presume works.

In fact, it would be better if you were drunk. That would at least give reason to your shit behaviour.

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[fire_breeze]

I would like to see sources showing that post-doctoral students go through depression. That's not true. And if you consider depression a fucking "DANCE," you have no idea what depression is...

Lows are not the same as depression. Everybody goes through low times in their lives but that does not mean they go through mental health issues. I've never seen any evidence that students who go through grad school go through depression unless they perhaps they have no job opportunities or something like that....

I meant depression, not lows nor blues nor feeling down; I am talking about full on, measurable depression. Do not insult my intelligence, even if you chose to insult me.
My articles on the subject matter is on my other laptop, and besides, I don't know if you access to the publications, because they aren't on OpenSource; however, the ones I have are here here, here, here and [URL="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/gradhacker/mental-health-issues-among-graduate-students]here[/URL]. Check out the study by Radison & DiGeronimo.

Just because YOU haven't seen anything or any grad students depressed, doesn't mean that they don't exist. Most people hide the fact that they have a mental illness, furthermore you cannot possibly read every single publication on the matter. Case in point: I am one of the 10 in the world in my field and am considered to be an expert on it and I find new articles related to it every single day. News flash, you do not know everything.

And you are fucking out of line, kid. You have no idea what any of us went through and how we decide to call our experiences. None whatsoever.

If you can actually tell me and logically explain to me why I - or any other - am not entitled to call a personal experience, which you have absolutely no idea what it entails, a dance or any number of descriptive nouns, then I'll go back and recant. Hell, with my all's permission, I'll even post a sexy pic. Until then, you have absolutely no right to tell me - or any other - that we have no fucking idea what we are talking about, just as no one has the right to tell an amputee to get over it, it's just a limb.

 

[Lord Pmann]

You think I don't know what alcoholism is? You think that I don't know what substance abuse is? Motherfucker, I have a doctorate in SUBSTANCES. I know what it is.

An alcoholic isn't somebody who drinks at 10am. And alcoholic isn't something who walks around in a drunken stupor. Alcoholism is the dependence of alcohol. It doesn't present itself the same way in each individual. And it's a spectrum just like everything else. I'm not as addicted as somebody on the show Intervention but that makes it no less true.

I went 4 days without alcohol and Xanax one time. At work, my hands were shaking wildly, I was sweating, and I couldn't control my thoughts. It was at that very time that I knew I was an alcoholic. I depend on alcohol, Xanax, and video games to get me through my life.

How are you going to tell a pharmacist that he doesn't know what substance abuse is?

You know what annoys me more than a fire ant in my urethra? Smug fucks who mention their degrees every chance they get.

Alcoholism isn't strictly physical dependence on alcohol.

I have a friend that is an alcoholic. She is a binge drinker. She doesn't do it all the time. She can go a week without it and she doesn't have withdrawals when she doesn't have it. But she cannot drink without getting demolished. Does that make her not an alcoholic, because she's not physically dependent on it?

Just because you are a pharmacist doesn't mean you know everything. You don't seem to know how to not take drugs that are harmful to you. That's something a pharmacist should know.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I meant depression, not lows nor blues nor feeling down; I am talking about full on, measurable depression. While you have danced with insulting me, do not insult my intelligence.
My articles on the subject matter is on my other laptop, and besides, I don't know if you access to the publications, because they aren't on OpenSource; however, the ones I have are here here, here, here and [URL="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/gradhacker/mental-health-issues-among-graduate-students]here[/URL]. Check out the study by Radison & DiGeronimo.

Just because YOU haven't seen anything or any grad students depressed, doesn't mean that they don't exist. Most people hide the fact that they have a mental illness, furthermore you cannot possibly read every single publication on the matter. Case in point: I am one of the 10 in the world in my field and am considered to be an expert on it and I find new articles related to it every single day. News flash, you do not know everything.

And you are fucking out of line, kid. You have no idea what any of us went through and how we decide to call our experiences. None whatsoever.

If you can actually tell me and logically explain to me why I - or any other - am not entitled to call a personal experience, which you have absolutely no idea what it entails, a dance or any number of descriptive nouns, then I'll go back and recant. Hell, with my all's permission, I'll even post a sexy pic. Until then, you have absolutely no right to tell me - or any other - that we have no fucking idea what we are talking about, just as no one has the right to tell an amputee to get over it, it's just a limb.

He has a doctorate in drugs! How dare you question his ability to know exactly what you have been through!

 

[Christopher2012]

I meant depression, not lows nor blues nor feeling down; I am talking about full on, measurable depression. While you have danced with insulting me, do not insult my intelligence.
My articles on the subject matter is on my other laptop, and besides, I don't know if you access to the publications, because they aren't on OpenSource; however, the ones I have are here here, here, here and [URL="http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/gradhacker/mental-health-issues-among-graduate-students]here[/URL]. Check out the study by Radison & DiGeronimo.

Just because YOU haven't seen anything or any grad students depressed, doesn't mean that they don't exist. Most people hide the fact that they have a mental illness, furthermore you cannot possibly read every single publication on the matter. Case in point: I am one of the 10 in the world in my field and am considered to be an expert on it and I find new articles related to it every single day. News flash, you do not know everything.

And you are fucking out of line, kid. You have no idea what any of us went through and how we decide to call our experiences. None whatsoever.

If you can actually tell me and logically explain to me why I - or any other - am not entitled to call a personal experience, which you have absolutely no idea what it entails, a dance or any number of descriptive nouns, then I'll go back and recant. Hell, with my all's permission, I'll even post a sexy pic. Until then, you have absolutely no right to tell me - or any other - that we have no fucking idea what we are talking about, just as no one has the right to tell an amputee to get over it, it's just a limb.

So no numbers in those sources? Wow... not sure you're uh... grad school worthy from the US perspective. How about posting GUIDELINES? Have you ever heard of GUIDELINES? It's what we base our practice on in each case. Here you go.

http://psychiatryonline.org/guidelines.aspx

smh... No MONEY needed.

 

[Christopher2012]

He has a doctorate in drugs! How dare you question his ability to know exactly what you have been through!

See the guidelines, asshole. Done here... You guys win. Way to go.

 

[NightL]

I went 4 days without alcohol and Xanax one time. At work, my hands were shaking wildly, I was sweating, and I couldn't control my thoughts. It was at that very time that I knew I was an alcoholic. I depend on alcohol, Xanax, and video games to get me through my life.

How are you going to tell a pharmacist that he doesn't know what substance abuse is?

Not the brightest pharmacist today are you trying to pull that one over. You take Xanax to treat your illness. Alcohol probably fucks with that - you know that.

How about just trying not to drink for four days and keep taking the Xanax? Stopping Xanax without a gradual withdrawal period will spin you into overload (I'm writing that for those who have no experience Chris - not you). Stop waving "I'm a pharmacist" around then writing like a dick-head.

I have no doubt you depend on Xanax - so do many people - it helps them get along in life.

FYI - I was once on a full dosage of Xanax and had been for a number of weeks - so it was well kicked in. I stopped instantly - now that was a trip. I know what instant withdrawal does. So do you - so stop pulling bull-shit like that again. You are also fully aware that if you fuck up even one single day of your meds it may take a week to stabilise your moods again. One forgotten tablet or even one vomit due to excessive alcohol consumption can fuck up your meds for a week (again for others).

Stop the bull-shit Chris - it belittles your level of education and training.

 

[quietlylooking]

Depression in postdocs and grad students

I would like to see sources showing that post-doctoral students go through depression.

Some of these are somewhat anecdotal:

Academic Medicine, Vol 72(8), Aug 1997, 708-714

http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_10_02/caredit.a0900118

http://www.universityaffairs.ca/spe...all-within-phd-students-depression-attrition/

http://chronicle.com/article/A-PhDa-Failure/44884/

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/26925/title/Stressed-postdoc-attempts-murder/

Edit: I had not noticed when I posted this that Firebreeze had already supplied many similar sources; my apologies. At any rate, serious depression in postdocs and graduate students is a well-known problem.

 

[fire_breeze]

Not worth it.

 

[NightL]

Not worth it.

I read it - worked for me

 

[Emerson40]

Surely, most everybody saw the inevitable outcome of this thread. Again.
This guy is as transparent as cling film.

The saddest thing - even sadder than the woebegone life this pitiable pharmacist has bore out for himself with his own poor, rash and self-serving life decisions - is that some very well-intentioned, caring, and wicked-smart folks took blocks of time out of their lives to try to help out this attention sponge. Again.

Place your bets now to see who will be lashed out at next. I’m splitting my bet between FireBreeze (she nailed things impeccably in her first post) and pmann.

Promises of departing Lit, and subsequent apologies to follow.

As predictable as the sunrise, and not worth a second more of your time.

Let this guy figure out his “untreatable” shit (for it is far more momentous and formidable than anything anyone else on earth has experience with ) himself. He knows what he should and shouldn't do, but takes the easier path despite knowing. He's not dumb, he's not lost. He's just lazy and full of excuses.
He’ll just suck more time and wasted compassion from you otherwise.

I mean c’mon, he’s Pharma-fuckin’-ceutically certified. What do think you could possibly tell him that he doesn’t already know, or have an at-the-ready excuse for?
Produce numbers, guidelines, and hard data to trump his woe-is-me... Jesus wept.

One does not require a doctorate in common sense to see one's time is wasted here.

Not growing up and taking responsibility for your shit and shit decisions is not an ailment. It is just lazy. Leave him to his video games, his wretched (but self-imposed) solitude, and one day, he'll figure it out. Or not.



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[NightL]

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx289/NightL/smash-mirror_zps28cdf436.jpg

 

[Emerson40]

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx289/NightL/smash-mirror_zps28cdf436.jpg

Don't waste time or talent here.

FB nailed it in her last post:

Not worth it.

If only it had been her first post in this thread and heeded by all.