Gaming vs Relationships

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So why don't you share that passion with others in person.

Why do you really think you are so different than musicians, artists, those who build hot-rods, sports enthusiasts, those who sew, knit, craft - passion is passion - yours is gaming. What is the big deal? Do you really believe your rewards are greater than than that of a young person designing and creating their first complex fashion clothing item. The golfer improving their handicap.

So you didn't get along with the kids at church - SO WHAT - you are all grown up now, highly trained and educated - move on from that nonsense. Find a way to share your passion with others in person - quite simple really.

You also appear to be totally analysing yourself into a hole - if you just spent a fraction of the effort you spend with analysing and worry to do something that would make another grateful of your efforts you may enjoy the benefit of someone smiling and saying thank you. See how your dopamine levels react to that.

Well if I had to do something in person... I'd have to step away from the game. I don't want to step away from the game. I don't generally talk about gaming much outside of the game. Once I turn the game off, I'm back in reality. And the only time I'm in reality is to go to work.

No, it's not any different than any other passion.
 
Well no, breezy has changed my mind about intimacy. I have now been enlightened about what I really want. And intimacy is NOT it.

So you're wrong.

Intimacy is the alternative to social games, so I kinda knew youre not up for dropping the games.
 
Intimacy is the alternative to social games, so I kinda knew youre not up for dropping the games.

I'm sure you know plenty about intimacy. Another question for you while you're here. I'm sure you know a lot about this too. What's a good price for a good prostitute?
 
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Watch South Park's "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode. And also, watch a movie called Don Jon. It's about porn addiction, but some of the principles apply the same.

Chris, you aren't all bad. I don't believe that. And it can be frustrating seemingly dealing with the same questions over and over. But you don't deserve to be given up on. (Ended that sentence with TWO prepositions!)

People here do care about you and that's why we respond. I think that, if you are honest with yourself, there would even be a person or two here that you like and care about.

You recognize that you have addiction problems and that's a huge part of it. The only problem is, you do not seem to care. :( So, until you decide to actually care, you have a huge problem.

The sex you describe is very one sided and isn't intimate, but I think you recognize that. I don't know that you would find an unpaid girl to engage in sex of that variety with you for any length of time.

I guess I would ask this... What do you want? Do you want a girlfriend? Do you want to be sober? Do you want to stop gaming?
 
So why don't you share that passion with others in person.

Why do you really think you are so different than musicians, artists, those who build hot-rods, sports enthusiasts, those who sew, knit, craft - passion is passion - yours is gaming. What is the big deal? Do you really believe your rewards are greater than than that of a young person designing and creating their first complex fashion clothing item. The golfer improving their handicap.

I actually do think mental rewards from gaming tend to be more intense, frequent, and easy than rewards from pretty much anything in real life. Personally I'm lucky not to have an addictive personality; though on the downside I have to find a new game every few months because they all bore me to tears by then. But despite not feeling addicted to any one game, gaming has become my preferred hobby over all the others I've tried. I do, or used to do, all kinds of arts and crafts, cooking and gardening, reading and writing fiction and non-fiction. But gaming takes a lot less effort to get accomplish something that makes me pleased with myself than any of those real hobbies.
 
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Watch South Park's "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode. And also, watch a movie called Don Jon. It's about porn addiction, but some of the principles apply the same.

Chris, you aren't all bad. I don't believe that. And it can be frustrating seemingly dealing with the same questions over and over. But you don't deserve to be given up on. (Ended that sentence with TWO prepositions!)

People here do care about you and that's why we respond. I think that, if you are honest with yourself, there would even be a person or two here that you like and care about.

You recognize that you have addiction problems and that's a huge part of it. The only problem is, you do not seem to care. :( So, until you decide to actually care, you have a huge problem.

The sex you describe is very one sided and isn't intimate, but I think you recognize that. I don't know that you would find an unpaid girl to engage in sex of that variety with you for any length of time.

I guess I would ask this... What do you want? Do you want a girlfriend? Do you want to be sober? Do you want to stop gaming?

Yeah that was my favorite episode. I've watched it so many times. And that was years ago before I had even owned a gaming PC. The real game isn't like that though...

Regardless, uhh I don't really know anymore. I do NOT want to stop gaming. I do want to be sober. And I don't know if I want a girlfriend. At this point, my brain is reaching for something. I'm just not sure what it is yet. I want to be alone but I don't. So weird.
 
Are there ramifications for being dependent on substances in your line of work? Also, the leap between alcoholism and pain pill abuse is a tiny one.
 
Are there ramifications for being dependent on substances in your line of work? Also, the leap between alcoholism and pain pill abuse is a tiny one.

How do you get a leap between alcoholism and pain pill abuse? lol That's absolutely absurd.

-Doctor of Pharmacy

On a serious note, alcohol is a gateway drug, but that does not mean that there is any correlation between alcohol and opiates. BTW, my coworkers know that I'm a heavy drinker. It's VERY common among pharmacists.
 
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I've worked with loads of people who have dependency on pain killers. Most of them mix alcohol and pain killers at some point. I can't say which comes first, but I would assume the alcohol.

- Volunteer Worker With Addicts
 
So there are several obstacles:
-Substance abuse
-Fear
-Anxiety
-Introversion
-Gaming

Gaming and substance abuse/alcohol keep coming up in this thread as the primary obstacle to opportunities for meaningful intimacy.

Tackle the middle three in your list and chances are the other two will will dissipate.

Treat life as a new game - goals and levels to be obtained with rewards on accomplishment. Write a blog about the steps you wish to climb to and your progress. Allow feedback. This would have great benefits for yourself and may well help others who want to break from stifling habits. A blog would certainly be beneficial for your anxiety and introversion. Tackling fear starts with you actually taking just one piece of advice offered over the years and actively making an effort to follow it through.

Your path ahead is of the unknown, but does not have to be scary - aim for exciting.

Stop smashing mirrors.

No Christopher - put that line of analytical physco-babble down - stop using it as a hammer - stop smashing mirrors.
 
Regardless, uhh I don't really know anymore. I do NOT want to stop gaming. I do want to be sober. And I don't know if I want a girlfriend. At this point, my brain is reaching for something. I'm just not sure what it is yet. I want to be alone but I don't. So weird.
If you don't want to stop gaming, then don't. Stay a lonely recluse. Nobody else will care.

If you REALLY want to be sober, then stop abusing substances. Don't *try* -- DO IT!

If you don't know if you want a girl/boy/beast friend, then you won't get one. That's easy.

If you want to be alone, but don't want to be alone, then you'll stay alone. And nobody will care.

If you want to reach for something but you don't know what it is, you won't get it. Have fun.

Truism: "If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably end up somewhere else."

You really can control your own life. You just have to convince yourself.
 
Don't you get it? The paralysis is of the mind. The paralysis is of the heart. I had a therapist put a situation in front of me.

Two people get into a car accident. Each person ends up paralyzed from the waste down. One of those two people, Person A, ends up thriving and living a happy pife despite the extremely terrible circumstances. Person B, on the other hand, goes into depression, has no drive, etc. Now, I'm no psych professional but she showed me a graph. Belief -> Consequence -> Action. So the root of the person's heart is belief. When they go theough something in life, Consequence, their actions are dependent upon what they believe.

It's a problem that's rooted mentally. It's easy for you to see physical disabilities such as losing an arm or being paralyzed but you fail at seeing how powerful the mind is. You fail to see how crippling the brain can be when it's not healthy. The good thing about all of this is that I have become WAY more sympathetic to patients who are suffering mental illness. They oftentimes come to a pharmacist as if they're not good enough for society. But when I throw in that I also suffer from issues like anxiety and depression, they open up like I'm a semi-therapist. It's kind of nice actually. I had a guy yesterday upset with his psych MDs office and added that I probably didn't have time to listen to his story. I told him, "Not true at all. I have been there as a patient once, they were rude, and I paid them off, and said to hell with them." His situation was nearly identical.

It's easy to see the pain of somebody who is going through a physical problem. But you don't EVER realize the pain somebody could be having even with a smile on their face and without a care in the world (seemingly). Would you hit a paralyzed person upside the head with a 2 x 4 if they couldn't physically pick up a ball? Emotional pain hits the same area of the brain as physical pain and we each deal with it differently.

Alright, I'm rambling. I'm hungover and tired. Going to lay down. For some reason though, and you might be somewhat the cause of this (didn't you say you worked in HR), but the emotionally weak are NOT dying off. Society is pulling us through which goes against natural selection. This is perhaps a different battle for a different day, but today's society is certainly holding human kind back by allowing the very wastefulness that you're upset about. Let the weak go. Let them die. It's supposed to be that way.

It's late where I am, so this is going to be the short answer until I can get back.

1) We all have our crosses to bear, some visible, some not. I've danced with depression a couple of times in my life, and once had it damn near destroy my marriage, so I think I know a thing or two about emotional pain and how utterly fucking life wrecking it can be, *if we let it*.

2) Would I hit a physically disabled person upside the head for not being able to lift a ball? Of course not. Don't be an idiot. That's not even a comparable analogy. Would I want to hit them upside the head for thinking they had nothing to offer anyone, that nothing they did mattered, that they had no value to anyone, and that they should just shrivel up, die and save everyone the hassle? Would I express the same frustration with them that I did with you? Fuck, yes.

3) WRT HR - you clearly have no idea of the functions that department fills. In my company, we had one area to deal with all the stuff required to employ people: accurate data/record keeping, ensuring the company policies were in compliance with state and federal regulations, ensuring the company was offering salaries commensurate with it's competitors in order to attract and retain quality employees, just to name a few tasks. We also had another subsection who's sole responsibility it was to administer the health insurance plan, and assist employees with insurance problems/claims as needed. The benefits were available to any qualified employee who wished to take advantage of them, but no one was *required* to enroll if they didn't want to. So how you lay the blame for the problems of the emotionally needy at the feet of HR professionals is beyond me.
 
I'm sure you know plenty about intimacy. Another question for you while you're here. I'm sure you know a lot about this too. What's a good price for a good prostitute?

Two hundred an hour, but I see $100 an hour a lot.
 
Ok, I laughed - still think you are a miserable arsehole - but I laughed this time

LIT is the big dark room where the blind go to feel up the elephant. If you grab the trunk you prolly feel intense love and attraction, if you put your hand up his ass, prolly a lot less love and admiration.
 
1) We all have our crosses to bear, some visible, some not. I've danced with depression a couple of times in my life, and once had it damn near destroy my marriage, so I think I know a thing or two about emotional pain and how utterly fucking life wrecking it can be, *if we let it*.

No no no.... "dances with depression" are NOT the same as having a deep fight with depression. Now your words don't elaborate on how far in depression you were. But if you're describing it as a "dance," I would say that you have no earthly idea what depression is... As far as destroying your marriage, well I'm solely opposed to the concept of marriage in the first place. Marriage is not how humankind is hardwired. It's a cultural thing and if you look at stats... it's a disaster based on its very foundation. Marriages get destroyed more often than not. So... yeah... that doesn't mean you had a real fight with depression.


2) Would I hit a physically disabled person upside the head for not being able to lift a ball? Of course not. Don't be an idiot. That's not even a comparable analogy. Would I want to hit them upside the head for thinking they had nothing to offer anyone, that nothing they did mattered, that they had no value to anyone, and that they should just shrivel up, die and save everyone the hassle? Would I express the same frustration with them that I did with you? Fuck, yes.

Okay so the brain is the sole source of what our body does. It facilitates, directs, and controls all actions of what we do. The picking up the ball analogy is perfect because the person literally cannot pick up the ball because they... well... just can't. The connection to the arm is still there. It's the BRAIN that is messed up.

The same can be said with ATTITUDE, MOTIVE, and DECISION MAKING. Think of those three concepts as your ARMS or LEGS. Maybe someone has "paralysis" of attitude? Maybe somebody is making poor decisions? Maybe they lack motive? It's all the same! The brain dictates what happens.

You see, I will take a little bit of pride in the fact that I have a PROFESSIONAL degree. Though I do NOT have extensive training in the central nervous system, I will say that I understand it a little better than any Joe Schmo off the street (don't misinterpret that to say that I'm calling you nor anybody else a "Joe Schmo." I have no idea WHAT YOU KNOW about the brain. You could be a neuroscience genius!) But regardless, I was caught off guard one day when I was casually talking about dopamine one day at work and NOBODY knew what dopamine actually did in the brain. I looked around... in a pharmacy. And then I asked "Do you guys not know the mechanisms of the reward center in the brain?" I received the deer-in-the-headlights look. "What about serotonin?" Glares.

My point? I understand the brain. I GET IT. Yes, I understand that there is a HUGE problem with what's going on in my head. I understand at least on a basic level the workings and mechanics of depression, anxiety, and how the brain works. So I'm just trying to figure out how my own brain can be fixed. Saying that you would hit somebody with a 2 x 4 because they're messed up will NOT get you nor them anywhere. All that's showing is your lack of understanding, your lack of compassion, and your frustration that they cannot get over their obstacles. You don't have that same frustration with a person who is PHYSICALLY paralyzed and cannot pick up a ball because you UNDERSTAND, you have COMPASSION, and you're NOT FRUSTRATED with them. They literally cannot do it. And it's because of the brain, not because of their muscles or arms.

Now, that brings up another point. Enabling? Enabling doesn't help either. I know that. So we can't just take people who have crippling depression or addiction and just let them live a life of constantly feeding off of their poison. So what's the answer? Well, the answer goes all the way back to the topics of evolution and natural selection. We need to let those people die. And because of culture and government, we have allowed those who are weak to be dragged on to the next stage. That's wasteful. The very thing that just gets under your skin. You're so mad, so infuriated, so frustrated with somebody like me who is draining precious resources from our earth. Welp, you can think culture and government for that.

3) WRT HR - you clearly have no idea of the functions that department fills. In my company, we had one area to deal with all the stuff required to employ people: accurate data/record keeping, ensuring the company policies were in compliance with state and federal regulations, ensuring the company was offering salaries commensurate with it's competitors in order to attract and retain quality employees, just to name a few tasks. We also had another subsection who's sole responsibility it was to administer the health insurance plan, and assist employees with insurance problems/claims as needed. The benefits were available to any qualified employee who wished to take advantage of them, but no one was *required* to enroll if they didn't want to. So how you lay the blame for the problems of the emotionally needy at the feet of HR professionals is beyond me.

Okay so yes, you're right. I am ignorant when it comes to what HR actually does. All I know is what I've seen from those HR representatives who have given speeches at orientations for work. I've never had any run-ins with HR ever but they just all seem to have a quirky control attitude which just presses my buttons wrong. I don't really care to go any further with the topic of HR. But when you talk about your work in other threads (I've seen maybe once or twice), I got that same vibe which is really more irritating than anything. So ultimately disregard the comment about HR's contribution to inhibiting natural selection.

Let me pose another question. This is somewhat hypothetical. How did a person like me become a pharmacist? How did make it through the 8 years of school and succeeding? How DO I continually make it though the daily stresses of going to work and handling my overall situation? Pretty interesting concept... a man with terrible depression, anxiety, and fear who has succeeded in profession which would be considered a very difficult objective. Or hell... maybe I'm NOT succeeding. Maybe I've bitten off more than I can chew. Hmm... weird.
 
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Fixed that for you. You do have choices

You fail to get the whole point of a mental illness.

You can't regrow a lost leg with wishful thinking and you can't cure a mental illness with wishful thinking.
 
You fail to get the whole point of a mental illness.

You can't regrow a lost leg with wishful thinking and you can't cure a mental illness with wishful thinking.

True, but unlike a lost leg, many mental illnesses can be treated. Depression, substance abuse, etc treatable. A lost leg is not.

Chris has to either want help or be forced into it.

That's a good question, pmann...

Chris- do you want help? Do you want to change?

To answer your question about how you made it through pharmacy school with your problems... Not all problems affect everything. Meaning, I've known functioning cocaine addicts, alcoholics, etc who have succeeded in the business world. I have a professional degree as well, one that is (in my opinion) a difficult one to achieve. I've met plenty of people in my field who are amazing at their jobs, but have a shit home life because they can't function properly in social settings.

I think you're a competent person with intelligence. I presume most of your schooling was solely dependent on you and your intelligence and abilities, aside from labs and such. So, it's no surprise that you might be able to do that and not function socially.
 
True, but unlike a lost leg, many mental illnesses can be treated. Depression, substance abuse, etc treatable. A lost leg is not.

Chris has to either want help or be forced into it.

That's a good question, pmann...

Chris- do you want help? Do you want to change?

To answer your question about how you made it through pharmacy school with your problems... Not all problems affect everything. Meaning, I've known functioning cocaine addicts, alcoholics, etc who have succeeded in the business world. I have a professional degree as well, one that is (in my opinion) a difficult one to achieve. I've met plenty of people in my field who are amazing at their jobs, but have a shit home life because they can't function properly in social settings.

I think you're a competent person with intelligence. I presume most of your schooling was solely dependent on you and your intelligence and abilities, aside from labs and such. So, it's no surprise that you might be able to do that and not function socially.

No no... the medical field TRIES to treat it with medication and therapy. That doesn't necessarily mean that mental disorders are CURABLE. Bipolar disorder is not CURABLE. Here's a story for you. One time, I had a patient who was bipolar and schizophrenic. She was what anyone would call "crazy." When she would come to the pharmacy and say something to me, the only decent response was "OKAY." If I didn't just say "Yes, okay" she would get violently upset and start yelling. She would come in and just start yelling about her ex-husband. If I didn't do anything but what she asked, she would start crying, asking for my name, etc. She was probably the most challenging patient that I had.

What's the point? Well... I truly didn't get her. I never understood her. And I always would protest against her wishes which would probably put my job at jeopardy (which I will not go into detail about - nothing TOO CRAZY though). But one of my techs stopped me one day and said "Look, you need to just nod your head and say "Yes ma'am" no matter what. If you do that over and over, she will be okay. The second you protest or say anything to her, she will become hostile. So I realized... hey, I need to be considerate.

From that point on, she was okay. I was able to handle her. I got her in and out of the pharmacy without confrontation. Did I violate any laws? Not really... maybe borderline but nothing too significant. Nothing IMMORAL or INETHICAL.

There are people who have problems that are too far gone to fix. Just like a lost limb. My grandmother has schizophrenia! I don't according to MDs but you can't fix her problems with positive thinking and hitting her upside the head with 2x4s.

With that being said, here are TWO events that happened this weekend. First of all, I had a very cute redhead ask me TO COME TO HER HOUSE on Friday. She said that she was GOING TO GET DRUNK. She wanted me to come over. She's 21 years old and she has been asking me to go out with her for about 3 months. I haven't declined but I have ignored all requests. On Thursday after work, she took me by the shoulders and said "HEY, IF YOU'RE BORED TOMORROW NIGHT, COME TO MY HOUSE. I'm GETTING DRUNK." Welp, she texted me yesterday and I ignored it. She is very nice and my friend. But I still played WoW instead.

The second instance. My good guy friend begged me to hang out tonight. He said we needed to just chill and grab some beers. He's a pharmacist and likes to hang out with me. I refused because I knew that I would be playing WoW.

Gaming vs. Relationships isn't just about sexual relationships. It's about relationships in general. I am playing WoW. I love it. I can't stop.

So... what's my deal? Am I a lost cause? I guess? If I'm not a lost cause, then what can I do to fix it? Guess nothing. I guess I have to fix it on my own.

Where am I heading? What is my ultimate destination? I dunno.... but you guys MUST realize that the brain is the most difficult organ to fight. If you have the guts, you have it. If you have the BALLS then you ALREADY ALREADY ALREADY had them. You DO NOT grow a pair. YOU ALREADY HAD THEM in the first place. You don't grow a set. You are who you are. That's it. The weak are the weak and the strong are the strong.

Why are you even fighting this? Let the weak die? Why are you fighting natural selection? Why are you saying that people "get over" stuff? NOPE, that's not true. The strong get over obstacles. The weak... die.... the weak... die.... the weak... THEY FUCKING DIE. Get over it. Don't tell ME to get over it. You let ME FUCKING DIE. Otherwise, I'll be a wasteful human who sucks the life out of the planet which will eventually burn up by the sun's death.

I am smart enough to know the truth. And the truth hurts. Even for you guys. Sorry... you have let the weak soak up your natural resources. Oops!
 
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treatable not curable - you know that so don't twist it to smash more mirrors

I have had people around me in my personal life and significantly in my professional life affected by a whole range of mental disorders. Each and everyone were being treated for their individual needs. I am fully aware of the difference between when someone is being treated and when they are not or indeed temporarily mucked up on their medications. I am also aware that treatment can be ever evolving - and needs regular monitoring.

Don't hold up one person with severe bi-polar (and perhaps having more issues) as an example of how things are with yourself. The very fact that you were on the other side of the counter offering professional advice displays that was a very poorly thought out example for you to use.

You started this thread expressing a wish for change (yet again) - so obviously with the frequency that you have vented here at Lit you do indeed want change.

I strongly suggest it time for you to go back to counselling again, particularly in light of how you are writing.

This weekend - get out of the house - if it is too cold for a walk, go to a museum, cafe, movie, see a band - and when you are out push yourself to smile and say hello to a stranger - compliment someone for their efforts or appearnce (haha - no - don't say "great tits")
 
treatable not curable - you know that so don't twist it to smash more mirrors

I have had people around me in my personal life and significantly in my professional life affected by a whole range of mental disorders. Each and everyone were being treated for their individual needs. I am fully aware of the difference between when someone is being treated and when they are not or indeed temporarily mucked up on their medications. I am also aware that treatment can be ever evolving - and needs regular monitoring.

Don't hold up one person with severe bi-polar (and perhaps having more issues) as an example of how things are with yourself. The very fact that you were on the other side of the counter offering professional advice displays that was a very poorly thought out example for you to use.

You started this thread expressing a wish for change (yet again) - so obviously with the frequency that you have vented here at Lit you do indeed want change.

I strongly suggest it time for you to go back to counselling again, particularly in light of how you are writing.

This weekend - get out of the house - if it is too cold for a walk, go to a museum, cafe, movie, see a band - and when you are out push yourself to smile and say hello to a stranger - compliment someone for their efforts or appearnce (haha - no - don't say "great tits")

NightL I see your point. I should get out. I think getting out would be great for me. And lol, I don't think I'd ever say "GREAT TITS" because I'd get slapped. Maybe one day I will but... right now, I'm not sure why I won't do it. I should... but I won't.... So weird.

I know I should.
I won't.
Why not?
I don't know.
But... I know I should.

So the answer is clear. I refuse the answer. :) Pretty stupid, logic right? haha I have no idea why my logic makes sense to me!

And YES, I DO COUNSEL patients. YES, I DO give medical advice. WOW! WTF? Right? I don't know why? A crazy person leading the crazy. SO FUCKING WEIRD. lol But yes, it's my job. And I get paid the big bucks to do it. Society is weird.
 
I will however take you to task over your responses. You ask for suggestions from strangers who try their best to offer ideas for you to try and improve your life. Quite frankly you come across as a highly ungracious spoilt brat. You are basically yelling back at the very people who in their best efforts have offered you some of the very closeness you have been pleading for.

You are setting situations up to destroy them so you can then wallow even deeper. You are good at that - and totally in charge of that approach. You have done the very same time and time again here.

Your response to the right or wrong offered suggestions is rude and certainly not reflective of someone of your education and qualifications.
 
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It's Saturday night at 8 in our time zone, so I presume you've had a few. :) I'll keep it cordial for that reason. :D

Comparing your situation to a schizophrenic is like comparing someone with a hangnail to an amputee. I'm not trying to say your problems aren't significant, but that you are not a person incapable of change.

You live under the premise that you are destined to be doomed for life. That because you aren't a natural alpha male, then you can never be happy and the big dogs should eat your flesh. Plenty of people make positive changes. Plenty of people go to the gym, lose weight or whatever to give themselves more confidence.

I'm not saying drugs cure your illness. But they could possibly help. You know better than I do if they actually help. They helped my mother a lot, I know that much.

I still don't understand this... Do you truly want to change? You ask if you are a lost cause. No. You aren't. You're here and asking for help. Hell, there's been progress in terms of you listening to advice from the start, so you are capable of changing.

Why not start small? Or start one thing at a time? Like, give up alcohol. Stop it. Then, once you are learning to control that, limit gaming. Make an effort to go out once a week. I don't know how those things work, but they are just suggestions on things you can do. You don't just change overnight. But you can work towards being a better person one step at a time. You'll never be perfect. You will fail. But we all do, mate. Just keep trucking.

Why do t we just let you die? You pay too much in taxes. We need you.
 
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