a question for american men

[RoryN]

nice sentence structure....

This sentence should be capitalized. And an ellipsis doesn't have four dots.

 

[richard_daily]

Cocks are cleaner than cash.

I don't know, sometimes women want to do really dirty things with... and snort tons of cocaine off of, my cock.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

if cash was important i wouldn't have given my ex the boot.

i'm quite content in relative poverty.

Sure. Oh! Ruby! Dont take your love to town.

 

[bronzeage]

seriously, do you honestly believe a woman's interest in you is directly proportional to the size of your wallet?

(not judging, just doing a little statistical investigation)

I'm sure they have car shows in Britain, similar to the car shows in the US. These are big meetings where men(and a few women) bring automobiles of all ages and sizes to display. Some are old cars which are restored to showroom condition, some are newer cars which are radically modified. In every car, the workmanship and attention to detail is what attracts attention. Some people paint the engine bolts a different color and then install them with teflon lined sockets. Some cars are higher, some are lower, but every car owner strives to make it perfect in every detail.

There is a stark dividing line between car owners. There are men who have the skill and determination to do the work for themselves, and there are men who have the money to pay someone to do it for them.

A car built by an owner may not be as ambitious as one assembled by professional builders, but always commands more respect than any pay your money and turn the key machine. A true car builder would never buy a ready to go perfect show car. There is no satisfaction in it. Why own what any man could have, just because he could afford it?

Back to the question. There are some women who are interested in a man because of the size of his wallet. There aren't as many as some men want to believe. There aren't that many stupid women. If a man attracts a beautiful woman because he is rich, she must always worry about a more beautiful, perhaps younger woman coming along. After all, he can have his choice of women, or at least of that kind of woman.

I have never had to worry about a woman finding me attractive for my wealth, so this is not a big worry for me, or the women in my life. If a woman finds me attractive, even with my troubles and problems, I'm not worried if the problems and troubles change. She'll still be there. I have seen rich men lose all their money and the woman soon afterward.

 

[JohnnySavage]

American women are shallow and insecure.

Word.

 

[ivantheterrible]

one thing i like about a lot of older women. IF they are not looking for a live in long term relationship they couldn't care less how much money you have , as long as you have enough to feed yourself, pay your own bills and get to their house. they just want a nice guy to hang out with on occasion and to help them with an orgasm. most have already gotten the kid thing out of the way (they don't need your money or to breed), they have their own home and job (so they don't need security and again nor your money), and many of them have been married at least once, so your companionship is nothing more than friends who fuck and they are not interested in getting married again.

 

[Beco]

American women are shallow and insecure.

thank god!

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

seriously, do you honestly believe a woman's interest in you is directly proportional to the size of your wallet?

(not judging, just doing a little statistical investigation)

I think that historically, women have not held power so many are attracted to power. Some are attracted to economic power while others prefer physical, sexual, intellectual or sexual power.

 

[neci]

i appreciate men with a strong work ethic. this does not always translate into big bank. the wallet has never had anything to do with it. laziness is a turn off.

 

[JohnnySavage]

i appreciate men with a strong work ethic. this does not always translate into big bank. the wallet has never had anything to do with it. laziness is a turn off.

I dodged a bullet there.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think that historically, women have not held power so many are attracted to power. Some are attracted to economic power while others prefer physical, sexual, intellectual or sexual power.

Thats absolutely nutz. Pussy has always ruled the world. Buts theres lotsa pussy out there, so the gals kinda gotta settle for less if they got too much ass and too few teeth.

 

[thør]

I dodged a bullet there.

Luckily, you left that banana peel on the floor.

 

[neci]

I dodged a bullet there.

my gun is rarely loaded.

Luckily, you left that banana peel on the floor.

damn monkeys.

 

[sigh]

Honestly...

What woman wants to hook up with a guy who cannot provide for her or himself?

I have got to say that I believe this is almost a universal human instinct for survival and propagation ...

I agree there's a biological drive behind this, but there are brains too that can override biology. And nowadays it's not unusual at all to find couples where the woman makes more (lot's more) than the man. In my field it's really common. I work with three women who make more than their husbands and half a dozen others who easily make as much. I know of a couple of other couples outside my field where the husbands don't work at all and stay at home to care for the kids (one of those also invests his wife's surplus income as a sideline job).

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

I'm sure they have car shows in Britain, similar to the car shows in the US. These are big meetings where men(and a few women) bring automobiles of all ages and sizes to display. Some are old cars which are restored to showroom condition, some are newer cars which are radically modified. In every car, the workmanship and attention to detail is what attracts attention. Some people paint the engine bolts a different color and then install them with teflon lined sockets. Some cars are higher, some are lower, but every car owner strives to make it perfect in every detail.

There is a stark dividing line between car owners. There are men who have the skill and determination to do the work for themselves, and there are men who have the money to pay someone to do it for them.

A car built by an owner may not be as ambitious as one assembled by professional builders, but always commands more respect than any pay your money and turn the key machine. A true car builder would never buy a ready to go perfect show car. There is no satisfaction in it. Why own what any man could have, just because he could afford it?

Back to the question. There are some women who are interested in a man because of the size of his wallet. There aren't as many as some men want to believe. There aren't that many stupid women. If a man attracts a beautiful woman because he is rich, she must always worry about a more beautiful, perhaps younger woman coming along. After all, he can have his choice of women, or at least of that kind of woman.

I have never had to worry about a woman finding me attractive for my wealth, so this is not a big worry for me, or the women in my life. If a woman finds me attractive, even with my troubles and problems, I'm not worried if the problems and troubles change. She'll still be there. I have seen rich men lose all their money and the woman soon afterward.

^^^Best post representative of how all men should think.^^^^

Thank you, Mr. Bronzeage. You are a river to your people.

 

[richard_daily]

^^^Best post representative of how all men should think.^^^^

Thank you, Mr. Bronzeage. You are a river to your people.

Seconded.

Bronzeage is a man's man... no homo.

 

[trysail]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...lan-marriage-to-consultant-tamiko-bolton.html


Soros Said to Plan Marriage to Consultant Tamiko Bolton
By Katherine Burton
August 12, 2012

Billionaire George Soros, who turns 82 today, plans to marry Tamiko Bolton, 40, next year in Southampton, New York.

Soros announced his engagement to family and friends gathered at his house in Southampton on Long Island yesterday to celebrate his birthday, according to a person who attended and asked not to be named because the party was private.

The couple met in 2008 at a luncheon in New York, the person said. Soros proposed to Bolton, 40, on a recent weekend. Michael Vachon, a spokesman for Soros, declined to comment.

Bolton is a health-care and and education consultant who most recently developed a Web-based yoga-education platform, the person said. She graduated from the University of Utah and has an MBA from the University of Miami. It will be her second marriage and Soros’s third.

Soros is chairman of New York-based Soros Fund Management LLC, his former hedge fund that became a family office last year. The office oversees $25 billion for Soros, his family and foundations.

The Hungarian emigre, who ranks 21st on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, stepped back from day-to-day money management in 1989 to spend more time on philanthropic work. In the past three decades, he’s given away more than $8 billion to promote democracy, foster free speech, improve education and fight poverty around the world, according to his Bloomberg Billionaires biography. He has five children from his previous marriages.

The couple told their friends the wedding will take place next summer, the person said.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...lan-marriage-to-consultant-tamiko-bolton.html

 

[aye_H8_ewe]

Honestly...

What woman wants to hook up with a guy who cannot provide for her or himself?

I have got to say that I believe this is almost a universal human instinct for survival and propagation ...

That's just a weak deflection to try to justify women's greed and materialism over love.

Men were not put on earth to be pack animals for women.

 

[butters]

really?
...define ''good job''
i'd be more attracted to a man with a modest income but who loves his job and feels he is improving things by doing it well (like a nurse or a teacher or a frickin' bus driver) than i would some corporate fat cat who leaches off the working man.

yes, this pretty much defines how i feel.

For some women, yes, and for others, no.

fair all round

But men in America are often told that that is the golden ticket. The plush office and the sleek car are the ultimate desirables to women.

Of course it's usually other men touting this, not the women. You and Chippy were correct that the bank account usually designates the class in this country. We are young, we are told that the "American Dream" is within our reach if we just make enough money, buy the shiny things and flaunt, flaunt, flaunt.

That being said, if you ask most women I know, they're looking for a man who, yes, has a job and shows commitment to something but it doesn't have to include a corner office. I tend to make more than almost every guy I've ever dated, I don't care, what I do care about is that he doesn't take advantage of that. That there is some give and take, some sharing of the bill if you will.

I spend my Sunday nights sipping good whiskey and talking about guys with my single girlfriends. We all say the same things, what's important is 1st, them showing us that we matter, checking on us, making contact through the week. 2nd that he's honest and kind. 3rd that he's taking care of his own business, not that he's got a high paying job, just that he's got a plan for his life.

That's it.

so it isn't about the size of his wallet. just about the calibre of the man.

It's universal human behavior. Charles Darwin said as much and Ed Wilson and Richard Dawkins agree.

​

so why have young girls, since time immemorial, fallen in love with young men their fathers have thought totally unsuitable as husbands simply because they didn't have enough money? (the same is also true of young men falling for 'unsuitable' young women)

Low quality women will look for a man with a big wallet.

High quality women will look for a man with good personality.

It's just as true in this country, as it is in any other.



Also, guys who always fall back on this excuse, generally do it because they don't have a big wallet, or a good personality.

And to the grumpy men out there:
There's also that whole concept of "individuality", you know, in that you take each woman as an individual... and not a conglomerate of your bad experiences with women. I know it's a novel idea.

it's so refreshing to hear this from any guy other than bronze!

Interesting thread.

I'd like to turn the question around a bit (too lazy to start another thread, plus I'm on too many ignore lists to get a good cross-section):

Women, is an unemployed man an automatic disqualifier or a significant negative when assessing relationship potential?

(cue my detractors and their "Rob doesn't have no job!" jibba-jabba).

well, to be fair, rob, unemployment was not the actual issue - rather one extreme of the scale. also, plenty of girls have fallen for unemployed men. to answer your question, the answer is 'no', not an automatic disqualification - and depends entirely upon the reason he's unemployed: if he's a skanky lazy bugger that doesn't want to work, i'd not touch it with a bargepole... if he's unemployed due to local employment circumstances, illness, forced redundancy, a student, that kind of thing then i wouldn't be holding it against them. that stuff can happen to any of us..

hasn't been an issue so far.

though, obviously, i see a difference between those who can't work (for health reasons, etc), those who are unable to find work and those who just don't want to work.

exactly

Seriously, do you honestly believe that this question isn't phrased in a very judgemental way?

it was phrased in exactly the way AJ put it to us over in the other thread - that, if it weren't for the size of his wallet, i (and every other woman) would look right through him like some adolescent dickhead. i'm very happy to see that, on balance, this doesn't seem to be the case. of course, we all know there are women who aim only for the wallet; if any man judges himself a success by how much female attention he can attract by waving that about, then he must lack a great deal of self-confidence in himself as a person.

This sentence should be capitalized. And an ellipsis doesn't have four dots.

actually, an ellipsis which comes at the end of a sentence should have four 'dots'.

 

[girlsmiley]

There is a stark dividing line between car owners. There are men who have the skill and determination to do the work for themselves, and there are men who have the money to pay someone to do it for them.

And then again there are some smart women and men who buy original and don't change the car in any way. An investment, not some piece of shit hack which has been lowered, supercharged and bedazzled by some idiot out to ruin somthing that was fine to begin with.

A car built by an owner may not be as ambitious as one assembled by professional builders, but always commands more respect than any pay your money and turn the key machine.

Bullshit.
Don't bullshit dolf, mkay? She's already lame at cars.

 

[butters]

I'm sure they have car shows in Britain, similar to the car shows in the US. These are big meetings where men(and a few women) bring automobiles of all ages and sizes to display. Some are old cars which are restored to showroom condition, some are newer cars which are radically modified. In every car, the workmanship and attention to detail is what attracts attention. Some people paint the engine bolts a different color and then install them with teflon lined sockets. Some cars are higher, some are lower, but every car owner strives to make it perfect in every detail.

There is a stark dividing line between car owners. There are men who have the skill and determination to do the work for themselves, and there are men who have the money to pay someone to do it for them.

A car built by an owner may not be as ambitious as one assembled by professional builders, but always commands more respect than any pay your money and turn the key machine. A true car builder would never buy a ready to go perfect show car. There is no satisfaction in it. Why own what any man could have, just because he could afford it?

Back to the question. There are some women who are interested in a man because of the size of his wallet. There aren't as many as some men want to believe. There aren't that many stupid women. If a man attracts a beautiful woman because he is rich, she must always worry about a more beautiful, perhaps younger woman coming along. After all, he can have his choice of women, or at least of that kind of woman.

I have never had to worry about a woman finding me attractive for my wealth, so this is not a big worry for me, or the women in my life. If a woman finds me attractive, even with my troubles and problems, I'm not worried if the problems and troubles change. She'll still be there. I have seen rich men lose all their money and the woman soon afterward.

and there we have it. the definitive, balanced, pointed reply i knew you'd deliver. a river? man, you're a sea

I think that historically, women have not held power so many are attracted to power. Some are attracted to economic power while others prefer physical, sexual, intellectual or sexual power.

and some just like a dude happy with who he is. confidence (not misplaced cockiness) is one of the most attractive features about a man, in my opinion. we don't all desire the macho, or the super-intelligent, the body-builder or the driven. a guy who can take care of his own shit, enjoy our company, make us laugh, make us feel special? that's what we want.

i think the pressure on men might not be the same over here as in the states, financially, since our system of paying taxes/nhs means that if unemployment strikes we might find things very hard but nobody's going to starve and everyone will still be able to access medical facilities as and when we need them.

i appreciate men with a strong work ethic. this does not always translate into big bank. the wallet has never had anything to do with it. laziness is a turn off.

yes

 

[butters]

And then again there are some smart women and men who buy original and don't change the car in any way. An investment, not some piece of shit hack which has been lowered, supercharged and bedazzled by some idiot out to ruin somthing that was fine to begin with.



Bullshit.
Don't bullshit dolf, mkay? She's already lame at cars.

i think we're talking cars that have been rebuilt well, or customised to a high standard, not the grey primer, fat tyres under bolt-on wheel arches and 'what are all these bits left?' after an engine reassembly.

 

[bronzeage]

And then again there are some smart women and men who buy original and don't change the car in any way. An investment, not some piece of shit hack which has been lowered, supercharged and bedazzled by some idiot out to ruin somthing that was fine to begin with.



Bullshit.
Don't bullshit dolf, mkay? She's already lame at cars.

It is an analogy and no analogy is perfect. No matter how much a man may want and love a car, it will never want and love him.


If someone wants a perfect car and has the money to purchase it, so can anyone else with the money.

My point is quite simple. A man who accepts a woman because she admires his money, lives with the fact she may find a man with more money, or he may lose his money. A woman who accepts a man because she admires his money is easily replaced by a woman who admires it just a little bit more. If a person can live with these conditions, there is no reason to do otherwise.

A good relationship is built on what a man is, not what he has. Some men are resourceful, responsible, and hardworking. This kind of man may never be a billionaire, but he will always protect and provide for the people around him. No one can fault a woman for finding this man more attractive than a dull witted, irresponsible and lazy man.

As for dolf and cars, if she ever needs car help, she knows where to find it.

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

And then again there are some smart women and men who buy original and don't change the car in any way. An investment, not some piece of shit hack which has been lowered, supercharged and bedazzled by some idiot out to ruin somthing that was fine to begin with.



Bullshit.
Don't bullshit dolf, mkay? She's already lame at cars.

Uhm. I believe you missinterpreted him. He was talking about men who do vehicles some justice when they work on them themselves. Not some kid that turns a car into a cheap spray paint, bundo, hydraulic jumping, piece of crap with silly neon lights all around it.

I have 3 vehicles. 2 of them I bought dirt cheap cash money and restored them to their original condition. One of those was actually 3 different wrecked, junk vehicles put together to make one and has been upgraded with more improvements than its' newest version. I have turned down more money for the 2 restored ones than they are actually worth.

 

[girlsmiley]

i think we're talking cars that have been rebuilt well, or customised to a high standard, not the grey primer, fat tyres under bolt-on wheel arches and 'what are all these bits left?' after an engine reassembly.

To say a car deserves more respect because it has been worked on by a person with less money is, well, bullshit.

Some of the most expensive cars here in Australia are untouched. Classic, original and beautiful pieces of work which have been well-maintained over the years.