Not BDSM, but sex related: Gardisil

[sb2009]

on my "mommy boards" this is a HUGE contraversy. The camps are divided, basically into
1) no way, my kids won't have sex until married, and they will marry virgins
2) nice idea, but too new and my kids aren't guinea pigs
3) Yes, I'm glad there is an option to reduce risk for my daughters
4) undecided, please someone give me some good info so I can make up my mind!


I decided to wait until she turns 13. I really don't want to bank on her not having sex until married, and her marrying a virgin. (I mean really). From what she tells me, most of her friends have gotten it this year. My Ped actually said it's not "necessary" because our family is not "high risk" which apparently means that only "high risk" families have kids who have sex? (wtf?)

Any thoughts? Too much for early morning?

 

[PertPerth]

I've had it - along with all my other jabs. I think it has little to do with sex, more to do with "I don't ever want warts, I don't want to die of something that I could have protected myself against". I think if you ask any women who has had cervical cancer (or even a biopsy like I have), they'd tell you that 3 needles are better than what they've gone through.

At what age are they recommending girls to get it? In my opinion, it should be routinely given to boys too. Sure, boys don't have cervix, but they can't pass on HPV if they don't get it themselves.

Just my thoughts; please don't take offence, I'm VERY pro immunisation.

 

[ecstaticsub]

I waited until my daughter was in high school. I didn't want her to be one of the first to get it.

Cervical cancer and genital warts along with the possibility of anal cancers and oral cancers caused by HPV are a real risk of not getting vaccinated. I wish the vaccine was available before I became sexually active.

 

[sb2009]

right, it is more health than sex related.

From what I have read, the reccomended ages can be between 11-14. I said she'll be 13 but actually she'll be almost 13, at her yearly physical a couple months before her birthday.

I don't really want to risk my kid's health because I prefer to think of her never growing up, honestly.

And as yes, from what I hear, boys aren't getting it? BUT I don't have boys so I may have just overlooked any literature on it.

 

[sb2009]

themselves.

Just my thoughts; please don't take offence, I'm VERY pro immunisation.

Oh, no offense at all! I often get flamed because my kids have had lots of shots - for example, I can't opt-out easily if we want to be able to be stationed overseas with my husband, or attend preschool or daycare on a miltary post, and lots of daycares require it as well.

When I first joined the Army I had no record of my immunizations as a kid and got what felt like 100 jabs the first day, it was horrible!

 

[LilTexanGal]

I had my daughter do the HPV shots.....when she was 12. I strongly agree with it regardless of the age that they start having sex.

For those of you who have not done this yet but plan to.....there are 3 shots given over the span of 6 months.

 

[00Syd]

I got it when I was, I dunno, 16, 17. Something like that. Relatively painless safe guard against a horrendus illness.

 

[graceanne]

My older girl go tthe first of the three shots this year. I'm waiting until my middle girl is about 11ish to get it for her. I think that you plan for the worst and hope for the best. I hope my girls don't have sex until marriage and that they marry a good, Christian boy who's also waited for marriage. Doesn't mean it's gonna happen, ad I want them to be as safe as I can make them.

 

[chy_girl]

My daughter is 12, and she's not had this particular vaccine yet. Will she? Probably, but at this point she's under 24/7 supervision because of her disabilities so there's little opportunity for her to become sexually active.

By no means am I anti-vaccine, nor am I anti-medication, but relatively new pharmaceuticals do worry me as does the potential impact that some of the vaccines will have on natural selection for the human population - but that's another discussion.

Yes, Gardasil has been show safe so far. That doesn't mean there won't be side effects thirty years down the road. It's very much a damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm just thankful for the extra year and a half before she'll possibly be in a situation where it would be needed.

(And anyone who knows their child will be a virgin on their wedding day is just scary.)

 

[FurryFury]

I had my daugther research this and decide for herself. She's had two out of the three shots. She will get the last one around the first of the year.

BTW, it's expensive and NOT covered by our insurance.

Hardly anyone talks about the boys getting this series much why is that?

All this is yet another case of women's health care being not covered and men being treated like they don't have to be responsible IMO. Of course that pisses me off.

 

[graceanne]

I had my daugther research this and decide for herself. She's had two out of the three shots. She will get the last one around the first of the year.

BTW, it's expensive and NOT covered by our insurance.

Hardly anyone talks about the boys getting this series much why is that?

All this is yet another case of women's health care being not covered and men being treated like they don't have to be responsible IMO. Of course that pisses me off.

Probably because they're not worried about men getting cervical cancer.

 

[FurryFury]

Probably because they're not worried about men getting cervical cancer.

But HPV is one of the causes of quite a few other cancers too. It doesn't just affect women.

 

[graceanne]

But HPV is one of the causes of quite a few other cancers too. It doesn't just affect women.

I know. But the whole 'cervical cancer' thing is how they're marketing this.

 

[satindesire]

My daughter will be getting it, God willing, as soon as she turns 12.

 

[curvacious]

I got the series even though ins didn't pay for them (I was a year older then the recommended age). Just the research I've seen is that even if you've been exposed to one form of HPV it may not have been of the strains in the vaccine (there are several strains of HPV and the immunization is targeted for 4 strains). I have a younger sister who has HPV and she's had so much pain and problems. The provider that did my series told me she would still recommend my sister have the series.


if I have a daughter I will have her immunized as well. I don't know i would go into depth about it being related to a sexually transmitted infection but I would explain that i may prevent certain forms of cancer.

I think boys should get the vaccine as well. It's not like HPV is just floating in the air and only girls are affected. So far clinical trials in males show positive results and in the US it's been recommended that the FDA complete the approval.

 

[Etoile]

Gardasil was approved last month for boys:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33347708/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/

Arguments for and against giving it to boys:
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=106386

 

[PertPerth]

BTW, it's expensive and NOT covered by our insurance.

In Australia, the government has an on-going program to vaccinate girls entering highschool (12-13 year olds) and my health fund covered most of mine.

 

[FurryFury]

Gardasil was approved last month for boys:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33347708/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/

Arguments for and against giving it to boys:
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=106386

I was aware of this. I think more boys should have the vaccine. Maybe now they will but I doubt it.

So many are saying how dangerous it is and how they'd never let their daughters have it.

 

[caela]

With it being a relatively new vaccine I do worry about what the long-term side effects might be but I am, luckily, one of the mom's that has time before she has to even think about getting this series of shots for her daughter. I will admit that I am glad my daughter isn't going to be a guinea pig and if this series were coming out when she was older (she's only 14 months) I'd probably have reservations about getting it for her simply because we wouldn't know what the long term effects would be.

As it stands right now, it is likely that she will get this series of shots when she's older unless some new information comes out before that showing serious negative consequences because of the vaccine.

Oh and while I like to think that when it comes time for her to get married that she'll still be a virgin, I am more realistic than that. She'll have all the information about sex and STD's that I can give her before she ever gets into high school...maybe I scare her out of having sex for a few extra months with too much information! lol. Not likely I know but she'll be guarded with as much knowledge as I can give her to keep her safe when she does make that decision.

 

[LilTexanGal]

I also wanted to add that I felt it was a necessary vaccination for my daughter because I had pre-cancerous cells 10 years ago. I had to have my cervix scraped and a biopsy done. Thank God I've not had to do that again. That was painful and scary as hell....and I don't ever want her to go through that if at all possible.

 

[FurryFury]

That's funny I don't want my kids to be virgins on their wedding nights, if they get married at all.

I have provided them with information since about second grade.

My parents, church and society made me so afraid of saying yes that I ended up getting raped by my bf who I then felt I had to marry or be damned. So my opinion on sex is a bit different from some parents.

 

[chy_girl]

*snip*
That's funny I don't want my kids to be virgins on their wedding nights, if they get married at all.
*snip*

Right there with you. Since I was old enough to actually understand the importance of physical intimacy within a relationship, I couldn't understand why one wouldn't want to test compatibility in advance.

Then again, divorce isn't a quick fix for me and my mother was very open with the concept of live with 'em before you marry 'em - it's less expensive than divorce and far more legal than killing them.

 

[Vixandra]

I don't have children yet, but when I do, I want them to be vaccinated against gentile warts.

Even if you believe that your children would not willingly have sex before marriage, you can't guarantee their spouse will be the same. Or that they may not have that choice (horribly, but reality sometimes is).

Better safe then sorry.

 

[graceanne]

I don't have children yet, but when I do, I want them to be vaccinated against gentile warts.

Even if you believe that your children would not willingly have sex before marriage, you can't guarantee their spouse will be the same. Or that they may not have that choice (horribly, but reality sometimes is).

Better safe then sorry.

That's actually one of the points my sister and I made when we were arguing this with our mom. She wouldn't let my sister get it cause 'she's gonna wait until marriage' and all that (and she's fifteen and having sex with her boyfriend), but what if everything goes as planned and hoped for and they get raped and get that from them? I mean, SERIOUSLY?

 

[FurryFury]

Right there with you. Since I was old enough to actually understand the importance of physical intimacy within a relationship, I couldn't understand why one wouldn't want to test compatibility in advance.

Then again, divorce isn't a quick fix for me and my mother was very open with the concept of live with 'em before you marry 'em - it's less expensive than divorce and far more legal than killing them.

Exactly. I wouldn't be married now and for the last 17 years if my current husband hadn't been so intent on showing his parents he knew how to "do the right thing." I was done with marriage. LOL.