Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

[BrightShinyGirl]

I would agree that things are faaaaaaar worse in Gaza NOW.

It appears all those Arab / Muslim Americans and their left wing allies who helped get DonOld elected reeeeeaaally fucked up…

As a consolation prize, things are faaaaaar worse in America as well…



We. Told. Them. So.

There’s a report in the Wall Street Journal today providing evidence that Hamas launched the October 7th pogrom to torpedo a peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Politruk]

There’s a report in the Wall Street Journal today providing evidence that Hamas launched the October 7th pogrom to torpedo a peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

What would be the point of that? Israel and SA have never fought a war.

 

[Lazaran]

There’s a report in the Wall Street Journal today providing evidence that Hamas launched the October 7th pogrom to torpedo a peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

I would also submit that Russia (and China?) played a role in the timing and scale of the genocidal attack.

Keeping the U.S. military, etc, occupied with / in the Middle East GREATLY benefited / benefits Putin / Russia (and China).



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

What would be the point of that? Israel and SA have never fought a war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_normalization

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Pogrom survivor Yuval Raphael got second place at Eurovision with her song "New Day Will Rise". The Israeli entry won first place with the fan vote, but only placed second with the official judges.

 

[Politruk]

Is there any faction in Israel that wants to end this war?

What about the Democrats?

 

[Politruk]

Why Doesn’t International Law Apply to the West?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Making “an appeal to god” now???

Ultimately:
Hamas “had a plan”.
Israel “had a contingency plan”.
Oops.
We. Told. Them. So.

"God's Chosen People" had a plan, alright.
Subjugate the Gazan people day by day with a blockade against trade.
When the Gazans eventually rebelled, as they did on 10/7/23, Netanyahu ordered "execute order 66".
Commence the pogrom to relocate every Arab in Gaza, and eliminate those who chose to stay and/or cannot leave.
Use the "but...but..the hostages!" as the putative reason for the purge, and accuse all that deny that it of "Antisemitism".....because they're KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD, even though "civilian Project Hannibal" (kill any Israeli citizen on sight that you see being abducted in order to spare the Israeli government the time-consuming and needless expense of hostage negotiations.

Blame any Israeli war crime on Hamas (see also: Tom Godo )

No Talmudic scholar that I'm aware of cites any religious reason for "putting the sick and injured to the sword" and 11 weeks of an absolute food and medicine embargo is just that), so this naked land grab is nothing but God's Chosen Ones desecrating God's name. ergo textbook Chillul Hashem.

Netanyahu won all his battles, but lost his war.
Israel is completing its land grab, but has lost its collective soul as a nation.
And Israel's neighbors all seem to get nuclear technology now, and Tel Aviv gets nuked sometime in the future.


All of this happened because Jewish zealots in Israel refused to accept a two-state solution.

This IS, and always HAS BEEN, an Israeli pogrom against Gaza.

So yes, an "appeal to God", for Him to show His "chosen people" how far they have strayed from the path of the Righteous.
A plague of locusts, frogs and/or snakes should suffice.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

"God's Chosen People" had a plan, alright.
Subjugate the Gazan people day by day with a blockade against trade.
When the Gazans eventually rebelled, as they did on 10/7/23, Netanyahu ordered "execute order 66".
Commence the pogrom to relocate every Arab in Gaza, and eliminate those who chose to stay and/or cannot leave.
Use the "but...but..the hostages!" as the putative reason for the purge, and accuse all that deny that it of "Antisemitism".....because they're KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD, even though "civilian Project Hannibal" (kill any Israeli citizen on sight that you see being abducted in order to spare the Israeli government the time-consuming and needless expense of hostage negotiations.

Blame any Israeli war crime on Hamas (see also: Tom Godo )

No Talmudic scholar that I'm aware of cites any religious reason for "putting the sick and injured to the sword" and 11 weeks of an absolute food and medicine embargo is just that), so this naked land grab is nothing but God's Chosen Ones desecrating God's name. ergo textbook Chillul Hashem.

Netanyahu won all his battles, but lost his war.
Israel is completing its land grab, but has lost its collective soul as a nation.
And Israel's neighbors all seem to get nuclear technology now, and Tel Aviv gets nuked sometime in the future.


All of this happened because Jewish zealots in Israel refused to accept a two-state solution.

This IS, and always HAS BEEN, an Israeli pogrom against Gaza.

So yes, an "appeal to God", for Him to show His "chosen people" how far they have strayed from the path of the Righteous.
A plague of locusts, frogs and/or snakes should suffice.

Gentiles always get "the chosen people" wrong. It means chosen for special rules that apply only to Jews. No one else is required to keep kosher, no one else is required to observe Shabbat or hold a Passover Seder. Unlike Christians and Muslims we don't try to impose our rules on outsiders. The fanfic religions totally misinterpret the Torah by trying to impose its rules on everyone. For example the Arab Muslims who live in Israel as citizens are not expected to practice Judaism. Contrast the religious freedom of non-Jews in Israel with the repression of theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Qatar.

A rape, kidnapping, and murder spree is not "rebellion". Twisting the word "pogrom" by applying it to military operations against hostile combatants makes a mockery of the word.

 

[Politruk]

Twisting the word "pogrom" by applying it to military operations against hostile combatants makes a mockery of the word.

This is not an operation against combatants.

 

[Lazaran]

"God's Chosen People" had a plan, alright.
Subjugate the Gazan people day by day with a blockade against trade.
When the Gazans eventually rebelled, as they did on 10/7/23, Netanyahu ordered "execute order 66".
Commence the pogrom to relocate every Arab in Gaza, and eliminate those who chose to stay and/or cannot leave.
Use the "but...but..the hostages!" as the putative reason for the purge, and accuse all that deny that it of "Antisemitism".....because they're KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD, even though "civilian Project Hannibal" (kill any Israeli citizen on sight that you see being abducted in order to spare the Israeli government the time-consuming and needless expense of hostage negotiations.

Blame any Israeli war crime on Hamas (see also: Tom Godo )

No Talmudic scholar that I'm aware of cites any religious reason for "putting the sick and injured to the sword" and 11 weeks of an absolute food and medicine embargo is just that), so this naked land grab is nothing but God's Chosen Ones desecrating God's name. ergo textbook Chillul Hashem.

Netanyahu won all his battles, but lost his war.
Israel is completing its land grab, but has lost its collective soul as a nation.
And Israel's neighbors all seem to get nuclear technology now, and Tel Aviv gets nuked sometime in the future.


All of this happened because Jewish zealots in Israel refused to accept a two-state solution.

This IS, and always HAS BEEN, an Israeli pogrom against Gaza.

So yes, an "appeal to God", for Him to show His "chosen people" how far they have strayed from the path of the Righteous.
A plague of locusts, frogs and/or snakes should suffice.

Ho Lee Fuck



I’m going to submit that the WORLDWIDE intolerance / hatred / genocide of the Jewish people precipitated the NEED and provided the JUSTIFICATION for the creation of the Jewish State of Israel

Post WWII, not only was the justification for the creation of the Jewish State of Israel present & palpable, but the conditions that would allow for the creation of the Jewish State of Israel were ALSO present & palpable. What the Jewish people did to actualize their vision / the reality of a Jewish State was perfectly reasonable / understandable, and it should have been accepted for the small "concession" that it was (is).

But noooooo.

Instead, Israel has been relentlessly assaulted from all directions on multiple fronts, and used as a point of conflict by Russia; continuously / consistently aided by intolerant radical Arab / Muslim Jihadists (mercenaries?).

In the grand history / scheme of territorial "conquest" & disputes, the Jewish people asserting control over their "assigned" portion of Mandatory "Palestine" SHOULD have been met with a collective shrug.

But noooooo.

And now, “it is what it is”.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[RobDownSouth]

New York Times Exclusive Today:

The Group Behind Project 2025 Has a Plan to Crush the Pro-Palestinian Movement​

Even before President Trump was re-elected, the Heritage Foundation, best known for Project 2025, set out to destroy pro-Palestinian activism in the United States.
The Heritage Foundation, the government of Israel and US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee are working hard to redefine any and all criticism of Israel as "material support for terrorism". "Free Speech? Fuck your free speech, you terrorist!" They're openly admitting exactly what they're doing.....they're telling Americans that they now have yet another 'hate crime' restriction on free speech and there's not one Goddamned thing you can do about it.

Now the Heritage contingent was in Israel, in part, to discuss another contentious policy paper: Project Esther, the foundation’s proposal to rapidly dismantle the pro-Palestinian movement in the United States, along with its support at schools and universities, at progressive organizations and in Congress.
Drafted in the wake of Hamas’s attack on Israel in 2023 and the mounting protests against the war in Gaza, Project Esther outlined an ambitious plan to fight antisemitism by branding a broad range of critics of Israel as “effectively a terrorist support network,” so that they could be deported, defunded, sued, fired, expelled, ostracized and otherwise excluded from what it considered “open society.”

Project Esther’s architects envisioned outcomes that at the time might have seemed far-fetched. Curriculum it believed to be sympathetic to a “Hamas support” narrative would be taken out of schools and universities, and “supporting faculty” would be removed. Social media would be purged of content deemed to be antisemitic. Institutions would lose public funding. Foreign students who pushed for Palestinian rights would have their visas revoked, or be deported.

“The phase we’re in now is starting to execute some of the lines of effort in terms of legislative, legal and financial penalties for what we consider to be material support for terrorism,” said Victoria Coates, a former deputy national security adviser to Mr. Trump and the vice president at Heritage who oversees Project Esther.

It's time to stop shipping all military aid to Israel.
It's time to boycott the war criminals.
A former democracy-turned-authoritarian-theocracy in the Middle East should not have any power to "redefine" American first amendment rights.

 

[Lazaran]

New York Times Exclusive Today:

The Group Behind Project 2025 Has a Plan to Crush the Pro-Palestinian Movement​

Even before President Trump was re-elected, the Heritage Foundation, best known for Project 2025, set out to destroy pro-Palestinian activism in the United States.
The Heritage Foundation, the government of Israel and US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee are working hard to redefine any and all criticism of Israel as "material support for terrorism". "Free Speech? Fuck your free speech, you terrorist!" They're openly admitting exactly what they're doing.....they're telling Americans that they now have yet another 'hate crime' restriction on free speech and there's not one Goddamned thing you can do about it.

It's time to stop shipping all military aid to Israel.
It's time to boycott the war criminals.
A former democracy-turned-authoritarian-theocracy in the Middle East should not have any power to "redefine" American first amendment rights.

Just like Susan Sarandon, etc, assured us that Trump would be better for America in 2016, the pro-"Palestine" crowd, etc, assured us that Trump would be better for America AND Gaza in 2024…

Oops…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Craighalbert]

Just like Susan Sarandon, etc, assured us that Trump would be better for America in 2016, the pro-"Palestine" crowd, etc, assured us that Trump would be better for America AND Gaza in 2024…

Oops…



We. Told. Them. So.

A very big part of being on the left is hating everyone else on the left for being dumb and shortsighted.

 

[Politruk]

When's the next election in Israel?

If the Democrats win it, will they end the war?

 

[SandraMaus]

When's the next election in Israel?

If the Democrats win it, will they end the war?

October next year. To win they need to form a coalition. There 120 seats. There 12 or 14 fractions. Some with only 3 or 4 people. The biggest is Likud with 32 seats

 

[Rebel5soul]

October next year. To win they need to form a coalition. There 120 seats. There 12 or 14 fractions. Some with only 3 or 4 people. The biggest is Likud with 32 seats

Who to win what? Hamas, and their followers, need to be eliminated from the face of the earth. This is an imperative, not an option.

 

[Politruk]

Who to win what? Hamas, and their followers, need to be eliminated from the face of the earth. This is an imperative, not an option.

It would be a far better thing if Israel ended it now. Destroying Hamas is not worth all this.

 

[SandraMaus]

It would be a far better thing if Israel ended it now. Destroying Hamas is not worth all this.

All 8.5 billion of us should end any war right now. Congo, South Sudan, Bangladesh....to name a few. The problem is, B.N. has to finish it. Palestine is not going to have peace talks with Israel. Even if BN and his Ultras step down, Hamas will go nuts. Not straight away, but some day. Probably with help from the neighbours. Israel has more fire power yes, but it's still a small country. 2or 3 nukes would be enough to eliminate them .

 

[Quimpossibility]

It would be a far better thing if Israel ended it now. Destroying Hamas is not worth all this.

You can't bomb an ideology

 

[RandyRebecca]

The US is basically Israel's bitch. Zionist lobbies run America.

I'm amazed that Trump didn't turn on Netanyahu long before now.

 

[RandyRebecca]

There’s a report in the Wall Street Journal today providing evidence that Hamas launched the October 7th pogrom to torpedo a peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Hasn't that been obvious all along? Saudi Arabia's leaders were going to sell out the Palestinians, but they couldn't do that after October 7, 2023. The conflict begins in 1947-48 at least, if not decades earlier, and certainly not 2023.

The only solution is an end to Zionism and an end to Israel. There needs to be One Palestine, for peoples of all religions and none.

 

[Quimpossibility]

Israel isn't going anywhere. That talk is just going to be seen as antisemitism, largely because it is.

Hamas are an oppressive fundamentalist cult that needs to fucking die so that the Palestinians can have a proper shot at peace. Netenyahu and his cabinet of racist child murderers needs to go to jail forever.

What needs to happen is solidarity between the working class people of Israel and Palestine and come together. That's what we shoudl support. Not the capitalist war mongers and apocalypse accelarators in the American Taliban

 

[Politruk]

Even if BN and his Ultras step down, Hamas will go nuts. Not straight away, but some day..

If Hamas is destroyed, something like it will emerge, You think the Pals ain't gonna hold a grudge over this?!

 

[Quimpossibility]

If Hamas is destroyed, something like it will emerge, You think the Pals ain't gonna hold a grudge over this?!

Assuming that there is support for it. Hamas has been the subject of protests recently, They may find them and their cause have pissed people off too much and that people are sick of the killing.

Honestly, fuck Hamas. Stupid oppressive backward arseholes.