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[Politruk]

One can't deny that the creation of modern Israel is an example of an indigenous people rising up any throwing off their colonial oppressors.

The Palestinians are the indigenous people and the Israelis are their colonial oppressors.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The Palestinians are the indigenous people and the Israelis are their colonial oppressors.

That’s the Arab rationalization for commiting genocide, but it’s unsupported by both history and archeology.

 

[Politruk]

That’s the Arab rationalization for commiting genocide, but it’s unsupported by both history and archeology.

Of course it is, and by DNA too. There has never since the Stone Age been a period when Palestine/Canaan was uninhabited, and the Palestinians are descended from everybody who has ever lived there, Jews included.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Of course it is, and by DNA too. There has never since the Stone Age been a period when Palestine/Canaan was uninhabited, and the Palestinians are descended from everybody who has ever lived there, Jews included.

Thank you for admitting that the Jews are not colonizers in Israel.

 

[Politruk]

Thank you for admitting that the Jews are not colonizers in Israel.

Most of the Jewish population is descended from immigrants from other countries, European or Middle Eastern.

Remember, the African-Americans were colonizers in Liberia.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Most of the Jewish population is descended from immigrants from other countries, European or Middle Eastern.

Remember, the African-Americans were colonizers in Liberia.

The same can be said of most of the non-Israeli population in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia. They speak Arabic and don’t have the same ties to the land the Jews do.

 

[PersonalFavors]

The same can be said of most of the non-Israeli population in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia. They speak Arabic and don’t have the same ties to the land the Jews do.

Hamas, what language do they speak? Seems like it would be Farsi. Lebanese? Hezbollah?

 

[Lazaran]

The same can be said of most of the non-Israeli population in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia. They speak Arabic and don’t have the same ties to the land the Jews do.

The pro-"Palestine" crowd is just trying to confuse things by introducing tropes and canards into the discussion.

Bottom line:

Israel exists as THE Jewish State out of necessity, AND, because its creation was just / moral / right in the aftermath of the holocaust / virulent global anti-Semitism. Full stop.

Side note.

It doesn’t hurt that Israel currently exists / serves as a bulwark against malign radical Islamic forces in the Middle East.

 

[Politruk]

Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia.

That is a lie, and you have been called on it before.

 

[PersonalFavors]

That is a lie, and you have been called on it before.

That is not a lie. Its a fact.

 

[RoryN]

That is not a lie. Its a fact.

He provided a source. You provided...nothing.

You lose. Play again?

 

[DeluxAuto]

I didn't even know where to put this but here it goes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1kc080n/to_treat_others_equally

This guy and anyone from any country, religion, or race who believes in this shit can fuck right off.

 

[Politruk]

That is not a lie. Its a fact.

Origins:

Main articles: Origin of the Palestinians and Demographic history of Palestine (region)
Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[85][86][87][88][89][90][91] According to Palestinian historian Nazmi Al-Ju'beh like in other Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians, largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation, is independent of the existence of any actual Arabian origins.[92] Palestinians are sometimes described as indigenous.[35] In a human rights context, the word indigenous may have different definitions; the UN Commission on Human Rights uses several criteria to define this term.[93]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians#cite_note-96
Palestine has undergone many demographic and religious upheavals throughout history. During the 2nd millennium BCE, it was inhabited by the Canaanites, Semitic-speaking peoples who practiced the Canaanite religion.[95] Most Palestinians share a strong genetic link to the ancient Canaanites.[96][97] Israelites later emerged as an outgrowth of southern Canaanite civilization, with Jews and Israelite Samaritans eventually forming the majority of the population in Palestine during classical antiquity,[98][99][100][101][102][103] However, the Jewish population in Jerusalem and its surroundings in Judea, and Samaritan population in Samaria, never fully recovered as a result of the Jewish-Roman Wars and Samaritan revolts respectively.[104]
In the centuries that followed, the region experienced political and economic unrest and the religious persecution of minorities.[105][106] Mass conversions to Christianity (and the subsequent Christianization of the Roman Empire), along with the emigration of pagans, Jews and Samaritans, contributed to a Christian majority forming in Late Roman and Byzantine Palestine.[107][108][109][110]
In the 7th century, the Arab Rashiduns conquered the Levant; they were later succeeded by other Arab Muslim dynasties, including the Umayyads, Abbasids and the Fatimids.[111] Over the following several centuries, the population of Palestine drastically decreased, from an estimated 1 million during the Roman and Byzantine periods to about 300,000 by the early Ottoman period.[112][113] Over time, the existing population adopted Arab culture and language and much converted to Islam.[108] The settlement of Arabs before and after the Muslim conquest is thought to have played a role in accelerating the Islamization process.[114][115][116][117] Some scholars suggest that by the arrival of the Crusaders, Palestine was already overwhelmingly Muslim,[118][119] while others claim that it was only after the Crusades that the Christians lost their majority, and that the process of mass Islamization took place much later, perhaps during the Mamluk period.[114][120]

 

[butters]

Senior US officials have shifted their position in the past two days on the Israeli demand to disarm Hamas, opting to delay the issue until after a deal to end the war is reached, the Qatari newspaper al-Araby al-Jadeed reported Friday.

According to the report, which cites one unnamed Egyptian official, the US believes the Israeli demand to expel all members of Hamas’s military wing from the Gaza Strip is unrealistic, due to the large number of fighters at the terror group’s disposal and the lack of willingness from other countries to accept them.

The report added that Washington does not believe Israel’s plan to use more military force to release the remaining hostages will work. Instead, the US is working toward a deal that secures the release of all 59 hostages in one batch. Hamas has offered to do this if Israel agrees to end the war permanently, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to do, arguing that it leaves Hamas in power.

There has been no confirmation of the Al-Araby report.

Israel has said that it will move ahead with a large-scale military operation if no progress is made before US President Donald Trump’s upcoming visit to the Middle East.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=1704ee9a2daf47b7936930f34b409954&ei=104

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=1704ee9a2daf47b7936930f34b409954&ei=104

Donald Trump is playing games with the lives of the remaining hostages and Israel’s future safety.

 

[silky52]

Donald Trump is playing games with the lives of the remaining hostages and Israel’s future safety.

Well, if anyone puts all their eggs in one basket they are totally nuts. It's well known that Mr. T is a complete and utter nutter. I am just praying that we aren't all, yes including the great USA, blown to pieces with the total madmen that are running the world! So sad, it doesn't matter too much to me, I've had most of my life, and so if I have to go I will.........

 

[DeluxAuto]

Welp.

Israeli lawmaker's comments on Gaza killings draw online backlash


"We killed 100 Palestinians in Gaza tonight, no one in the world seems to care": Israeli Knesset member Tzippy Scott.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2546370/israeli-lawmakers-comments-on-gaza-killings-draw-online-backlas

I'm sure the usual suspects will have some cockamamie defense

 

[Rightguide]

Donald Trump is playing games with the lives of the remaining hostages and Israel’s future safety.

The last American hostage has been released alive because of Trump.

 

[Lazaran]

The last American hostage has been released alive because of Trump.

Can "Right"guide get anything RIGHT?!?!



Hamas STILL holds three Americans hostage, ALL are presumed to be dead.



Hope that ^ helps.



"Right"guide



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Lazaran]

Welp.

Israeli lawmaker's comments on Gaza killings draw online backlash


"We killed 100 Palestinians in Gaza tonight, no one in the world seems to care": Israeli Knesset member Tzippy Scott.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2546370/israeli-lawmakers-comments-on-gaza-killings-draw-online-backlas

I'm sure the usual suspects will have some cockamamie defense

Yeah, Hamas’ genocidal 10/7 rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation is looking more and more like a reeeeeaaaaally bad decision.



And Arab / Muslim Americans voting for DonOld or withholding their vote from Kamala is ALSO looking more and more like a reeeeeaaaaally bad decision.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[DeluxAuto]

I'm sure the usual suspects will have some cockamamie defense

Yeah, Hamas’

 

[Lazaran]

Yeah, let’s just completely ignore who / what set this recent pattern of death and destruction in motion - and who / what contributed / is contributing to its perpetuation.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Yeah, let’s just completely ignore who / what set this recent pattern of death and destruction in motion - and who / what is contributing to its perpetuation.



We. Told. Them. So.

The blind spot you have for basic logic when it comes to this mess is blinding.

 

[Lazaran]

The blind spot you have for basic logic when it comes to this mess is blinding.

Welp, considering the fact that I’m being PURPOSEFULLY blind to Israel’s "contributions" to the death and destruction in an attempt to make a point (that the pro-"Palestine" crowd is being WILLFULLY blind to the "contributions" to the death and destruction from "their side"), I would say you’re assessment is lacking.



Side note:

I’m also trying to highlight the stupidity of those in the pro-"Palestine" crowd who "thought" DonOld would be better than President Biden or Vice President Harris when it came to Gaza, etc.

Oops.

We. Told. Them. So.