Israel/Hamas PB Tribal Fight

At least 1947-1948 with the UN Partition Plan and the Nakba, the latter of which saw over 700,000 Palestinians expelled from their land. You can make a case as far back as 1917, when the British promised Palestine to both the Arabs and to the Jews, in different deals.
The Arabs got Jordan in 47-48 and the Jews got Israel. That would have been the end of it, but the Arabs wanted everything. All the trouble since has been because of the Arabs have refused to accept Jewish autonomy in their ancestral homeland. The colonizers want to re-establish their colonial dominion over the Jews.
 
The Arabs got Jordan in 47-48 and the Jews got Israel. That would have been the end of it, but the Arabs wanted everything. All the trouble since has been because of the Arabs have refused to accept Jewish autonomy in their ancestral homeland. The colonizers want to re-establish their colonial dominion over the Jews.
What colonizers? The Arabs were never colonizers in the MENA, only the Europeans were -- and they are not seeking to re-establish any colonial dominion.
 
What colonizers? The Arabs were never colonizers in the MENA, only the Europeans were -- and they are not seeking to re-establish any colonial dominion.
The Arabs erupted out of the Arabian peninsula in 632 AD and conquered half the globe from Spain to Indonesia including the Roman colony of Palestine (Eretz Yisrael).

The intolerance of Islam toward Judaism goes back to the prophet himself. The Christians may have been voracious colonizers, but Jesus, unlike Mohammed, never personally massacred Jews.
 
You can't seriously believe any event that old matters now. Not even a Jew, who thinks in terms of Exodus times, could believe that. No event before 1900 is relevant to any of this.
One can't deny that the creation of modern Israel is an example of an indigenous people rising up any throwing off their colonial oppressors. The Palestinian cause is simply the former colonizers wanting to turn back the clock and return to the state of affairs in Mandatory Palestine, where the Arabs were in control and the Jews were second-class citizens.

The chant "Khaybar, Khaybar, ya yahud!" referencing Mohammed's massacre of the Jews in 628 is a modern invention.
 
One can't deny that the creation of modern Israel is an example of an indigenous people rising up any throwing off their colonial oppressors.
It was the exact opposite. It used the historical oppression of Jews and the horrors of the Holocaust as a cover in order to bring into being an ethno-nationalist state built on terrorism and ethnic cleansing. In 1947-1948, over 700,000 indigenous Palestinian people were expelled from their land! That was clearly done to create a "Jewish majority" of citizens. In 1947, as I said before, the Jewish population in Palestine was about 33% (and less than 10% in 1917). Expel over 700,000 of the 1.6 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian population in 1947-1948, and things change a lot in terms of the demographics.

The Palestinian cause is simply the former colonizers wanting to turn back the clock and return to the state of affairs in Mandatory Palestine, where the Arabs were in control and the Jews were second-class citizens.
The British were in control of Mandatory Palestine, and before that the Ottoman Turks controlled Palestine.
 
It was the exact opposite. It used the historical oppression of Jews and the horrors of the Holocaust as a cover in order to bring into being an ethno-nationalist state built on terrorism and ethnic cleansing. In 1947-1948, over 700,000 indigenous Palestinian people were expelled from their land! That was clearly done to create a "Jewish majority" of citizens. In 1947, as I said before, the Jewish population in Palestine was about 33% (and less than 10% in 1917). Expel over 700,000 of the 1.6 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian population in 1947-1948, and things change a lot in terms of the demographics.


The British were in control of Mandatory Palestine, and before that the Ottoman Turks controlled Palestine.
The Jewish population of Israel was swollen by them taking in Jewish refugees who had been ethnically cleansed from the other parts of the Middle East.
 
That’s the Arab rationalization for commiting genocide, but it’s unsupported by both history and archeology.
Of course it is, and by DNA too. There has never since the Stone Age been a period when Palestine/Canaan was uninhabited, and the Palestinians are descended from everybody who has ever lived there, Jews included.
 
Of course it is, and by DNA too. There has never since the Stone Age been a period when Palestine/Canaan was uninhabited, and the Palestinians are descended from everybody who has ever lived there, Jews included.
Thank you for admitting that the Jews are not colonizers in Israel.
 
Most of the Jewish population is descended from immigrants from other countries, European or Middle Eastern.

Remember, the African-Americans were colonizers in Liberia.
The same can be said of most of the non-Israeli population in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia. They speak Arabic and don’t have the same ties to the land the Jews do.
 
The same can be said of most of the non-Israeli population in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia. They speak Arabic and don’t have the same ties to the land the Jews do.
Hamas, what language do they speak? Seems like it would be Farsi. Lebanese? Hezbollah?
 
The same can be said of most of the non-Israeli population in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Most are descended from recent immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Arabia. They speak Arabic and don’t have the same ties to the land the Jews do.

The pro-"Palestine" crowd is just trying to confuse things by introducing tropes and canards into the discussion.

Bottom line:

Israel exists as THE Jewish State out of necessity, AND, because its creation was just / moral / right in the aftermath of the holocaust / virulent global anti-Semitism. Full stop.

Side note.

It doesn’t hurt that Israel currently exists / serves as a bulwark against malign radical Islamic forces in the Middle East.

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That is not a lie. Its a fact.
Origins:

Main articles: Origin of the Palestinians and Demographic history of Palestine (region)
Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[85][86][87][88][89][90][91] According to Palestinian historian Nazmi Al-Ju'beh like in other Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians, largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation, is independent of the existence of any actual Arabian origins.[92] Palestinians are sometimes described as indigenous.[35] In a human rights context, the word indigenous may have different definitions; the UN Commission on Human Rights uses several criteria to define this term.[93]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians#cite_note-96
Palestine has undergone many demographic and religious upheavals throughout history. During the 2nd millennium BCE, it was inhabited by the Canaanites, Semitic-speaking peoples who practiced the Canaanite religion.[95] Most Palestinians share a strong genetic link to the ancient Canaanites.[96][97] Israelites later emerged as an outgrowth of southern Canaanite civilization, with Jews and Israelite Samaritans eventually forming the majority of the population in Palestine during classical antiquity,[98][99][100][101][102][103] However, the Jewish population in Jerusalem and its surroundings in Judea, and Samaritan population in Samaria, never fully recovered as a result of the Jewish-Roman Wars and Samaritan revolts respectively.[104]
In the centuries that followed, the region experienced political and economic unrest and the religious persecution of minorities.[105][106] Mass conversions to Christianity (and the subsequent Christianization of the Roman Empire), along with the emigration of pagans, Jews and Samaritans, contributed to a Christian majority forming in Late Roman and Byzantine Palestine.[107][108][109][110]
In the 7th century, the Arab Rashiduns conquered the Levant; they were later succeeded by other Arab Muslim dynasties, including the Umayyads, Abbasids and the Fatimids.[111] Over the following several centuries, the population of Palestine drastically decreased, from an estimated 1 million during the Roman and Byzantine periods to about 300,000 by the early Ottoman period.[112][113] Over time, the existing population adopted Arab culture and language and much converted to Islam.[108] The settlement of Arabs before and after the Muslim conquest is thought to have played a role in accelerating the Islamization process.[114][115][116][117] Some scholars suggest that by the arrival of the Crusaders, Palestine was already overwhelmingly Muslim,[118][119] while others claim that it was only after the Crusades that the Christians lost their majority, and that the process of mass Islamization took place much later, perhaps during the Mamluk period.[114][120]
 
Senior US officials have shifted their position in the past two days on the Israeli demand to disarm Hamas, opting to delay the issue until after a deal to end the war is reached, the Qatari newspaper al-Araby al-Jadeed reported Friday.

According to the report, which cites one unnamed Egyptian official, the US believes the Israeli demand to expel all members of Hamas’s military wing from the Gaza Strip is unrealistic, due to the large number of fighters at the terror group’s disposal and the lack of willingness from other countries to accept them.

The report added that Washington does not believe Israel’s plan to use more military force to release the remaining hostages will work. Instead, the US is working toward a deal that secures the release of all 59 hostages in one batch. Hamas has offered to do this if Israel agrees to end the war permanently, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to do, arguing that it leaves Hamas in power.

There has been no confirmation of the Al-Araby report.
Israel has said that it will move ahead with a large-scale military operation if no progress is made before US President Donald Trump’s upcoming visit to the Middle East.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=1704ee9a2daf47b7936930f34b409954&ei=104
 
Donald Trump is playing games with the lives of the remaining hostages and Israel’s future safety.
Well, if anyone puts all their eggs in one basket they are totally nuts. It's well known that Mr. T is a complete and utter nutter. I am just praying that we aren't all, yes including the great USA, blown to pieces with the total madmen that are running the world! So sad, it doesn't matter too much to me, I've had most of my life, and so if I have to go I will.........
 
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