A_Little_Show
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Are you an asshole? Page 1 about a fat alcoholic nicotine stained landlord attempting to extort sexual favors from a desperate tenant using aggression. That was supposed to be a positive depiction of male sexuality?
I'm going to assume her knight in shining armor is about to show up and rescue her, but I won't read anymore because you just pissed me off recommending a story the exact opposite of what I asked to read.
Are you an asshole? Page 1 about a fat alcoholic nicotine stained landlord attempting to extort sexual favors from a desperate tenant using aggression. That was supposed to be a positive depiction of male sexuality?
I'm going to assume her knight in shining armor is about to show up and rescue her, but I won't read anymore because you just pissed me off recommending a story the exact opposite of what I asked to read.
Finish the story. I've read it. It's not what you think from that first bit. And no, that particular part isn't meant to be positive, just an example of a bad person.
Are you an asshole? Page 1 about a fat alcoholic nicotine stained landlord attempting to extort sexual favors from a desperate tenant using aggression. That was supposed to be a positive depiction of male sexuality?
I'm going to assume her knight in shining armor is about to show up and rescue her, but I won't read anymore because you just pissed me off recommending a story the exact opposite of what I asked to read.
Thanks.
I liked LC's Karma story. LC has a way with character description. Pretty realistic, and the story has a few humorous scenes as well. LC's stories that are non-femdom and M-F tend to be romantic, and lighter reading, which is a nice change from a lot of Lit stories. But you have to read past the nicotine-stained creeps at the beginning.
Quite welcome.
It's always a good idea to read past the nicotine-stained creeps, don't you think?
But I agree. Many stories start out with a bad situation, at least bad for the main character(s) and goes up from there. It provides a starting point and a contrast for later good situations. You need to put a little faith in the writer, but how much is up to you. (My limit is usually, in print at least, 150 pages.)
150 pages!?!??!? Holy crap, you are way more lenient than I am. If I last 30 pages in something I think is bad, that's a miracle.
I think books are exactly the same. The concept that "You need to give it a chance" or "You need to read past that, because then it gets good" is BS. It just is. I don't have to do anything, and if you, the author, is relying on that, then you've failed. It's your job to keep me interested - if you've billed a story a specific way, and it takes pages and pages before it gets to that, then yeah, I'd say you've failed, because quite a lot of readers will have gravitated away before it gets to that. All you've really accomplished is to disaffect a lot of readers, who haven't read 'the good bit' and almost certainly never will, nor will they give you the chance again. I'll never read another page by Dan Brown, for example.
It's entirely possible for authors to be too clever by half. I have no idea if that is the case here, since I've not read it. My point is more generic than specific I think.
150 pages!?!??!? Holy crap, you are way more lenient than I am. If I last 30 pages in something I think is bad, that's a miracle.
In video games, we have this thing called The First 15 Minutes - where you have to capture the players interest in the game within 15 minutes of them putting the cartridge in, putting the disc in or starting the game on IOS. You literally have that long before they lose interest and go try something else.
So you can't spend it in menu's, deciding a character name and hair style. And what you show them had better a) wow them and b) be indicative of what the rest of the game is. If you give them a fantastic first 15 minutes and then the gameplay of the rest of the game isn't up to that standard, it's just as bad as giving them shit for the first 15 and holding all your great stuff for the middle.
I think books are exactly the same. The concept that "You need to give it a chance" or "You need to read past that, because then it gets good" is BS. It just is. I don't have to do anything, and if you, the author, is relying on that, then you've failed. It's your job to keep me interested - if you've billed a story a specific way, and it takes pages and pages before it gets to that, then yeah, I'd say you've failed, because quite a lot of readers will have gravitated away before it gets to that. All you've really accomplished is to disaffect a lot of readers, who haven't read 'the good bit' and almost certainly never will, nor will they give you the chance again. I'll never read another page by Dan Brown, for example.
It's entirely possible for authors to be too clever by half. I have no idea if that is the case here, since I've not read it. My point is more generic than specific I think.
I've worked myself into a bad mental place. I need to read a story or stories with the following characteristics:
1) The male character is not a jerk, wimp, or rapist
2) The male character is not mentally or emotionally broken
3) The male character is not cuckolded
4) The male character has satisfying sex
5) Pursuit of the woman is not a major component of the story
6) The woman is satisfied and lustful for the male character
7) Male sexuality is not depicted as depraved, perverted, dirty, or threatening
8) The male character is not a fool
9) The male character is not a parody (no Casanova or Conan or Prince Charming or Superman)
10) Sexual double standard is not the primary plot driver
11) The male character is not a mere accessory for the female in the spotlight.
Does such a story exist at Literotica? Of course it does. I've written a few (poorly received). I need to read more, but I've had a run of bad luck with stories that leave me irrationally mad at the whole male gender. I need some stories that treat male sexuality and sexual satisfaction in a wholesome sex-positive way.
Any suggested stories?
I've worked myself into a bad mental place. I need to read a story or stories with the following characteristics:
1) The male character is not a jerk, wimp, or rapist
2) The male character is not mentally or emotionally broken
3) The male character is not cuckolded
4) The male character has satisfying sex
5) Pursuit of the woman is not a major component of the story
6) The woman is satisfied and lustful for the male character
7) Male sexuality is not depicted as depraved, perverted, dirty, or threatening
8) The male character is not a fool
9) The male character is not a parody (no Casanova or Conan or Prince Charming or Superman)
10) Sexual double standard is not the primary plot driver
11) The male character is not a mere accessory for the female in the spotlight.
Does such a story exist at Literotica? Of course it does. I've written a few (poorly received). I need to read more, but I've had a run of bad luck with stories that leave me irrationally mad at the whole male gender. I need some stories that treat male sexuality and sexual satisfaction in a wholesome sex-positive way.
Any suggested stories?
I think books are exactly the same. The concept that "You need to give it a chance" or "You need to read past that, because then it gets good" is BS. It just is.
Not really. The fiction arc involves setting a dilemma. Many dilemmas are pretty rough. You may encounter a lot of stories that set backstory or mood or character before the dilemma, but that isn't necessarily good--and it isn't the current trend in writing storylines that do well in the marketplace. Typically now you start with action, involving either the main dilemma or a minor one. So the start of a story currently popular in the marketplace very likely will start out in the rough.
I give a book more than 150 pages to pan out. I almost always finish it no matter how unimpressed I am with it. Otherwise it can't go on the completed list, and, since I've been in a competition with my wife since before we got married on annual listed book reads, once started, a book really has to be a dud for me to put it down.
Who's winning?
I did something similar with my sister for a long time. But we had the added rule that we would pick books for each other in an attempt to get the other to not be able to finish(rule was you had to read the book you recommended though so there could be a test if there was ever doubt) and would force myself through things to get "credit"
Until Anne Rice's Tales of the Body thief.
I remember throwing the book across the room and yelling, "Fine you win."
I've worked myself into a bad mental place. I need to read a story or stories with the following characteristics:
1) The male character is not a jerk, wimp, or rapist
2) The male character is not mentally or emotionally broken
3) The male character is not cuckolded
4) The male character has satisfying sex
5) Pursuit of the woman is not a major component of the story
6) The woman is satisfied and lustful for the male character
7) Male sexuality is not depicted as depraved, perverted, dirty, or threatening
8) The male character is not a fool
9) The male character is not a parody (no Casanova or Conan or Prince Charming or Superman)
10) Sexual double standard is not the primary plot driver
11) The male character is not a mere accessory for the female in the spotlight.
Does such a story exist at Literotica? Of course it does. I've written a few (poorly received). I need to read more, but I've had a run of bad luck with stories that leave me irrationally mad at the whole male gender. I need some stories that treat male sexuality and sexual satisfaction in a wholesome sex-positive way.
Any suggested stories?
I read the rest of the story. It was very sweet. It did suffer a little of the "super man" cliche:
She is 20, slender beautiful, able to keep a near perfect grade point average while homeless and working extra shifts. She is called a "good girl" at least a dozen times.
He is mid 40s but already mostly gray. He is rich. He is fit from running. He is kind and generous to a fault working in a homeless shelter, etc. And she is the only thing that can cure him - but only if she is bold and takes the reigns of a sexual re-awakening.
I'm sorry for calling the author an asshole, but he did recommend a a page of sexual assault description to someone with a head in a bad place regarding men.
I'm sorry for calling the author an asshole, but he did recommend a a page of sexual assault description to someone with a head in a bad place regarding men.
No story is going to have everything you want without a little of what you don't, or could do without.
I understand being upset though if your head is in a bad place and you want something sweet and fluffy to get you in a good mood again... And the very first page triggers all the bad thoughts you didn't want to deal with and does the opposite of relaxing you. The is a reason this user asked for a specific kind of story and I see why they got upset when it seemed like someone purposely recommended the complete opposite thing.