The Future of Erotica: Exploring AI-Generated Content

[XerXesXu]

I don't want to alarm anyone unduly, but AI can not only scrape the internet, it can scrape your mind! Anyone want to volunteer?

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.18.517004v2.full.pdf

 

[KeithD]

It would have to somehow mechanically get hooked up with my mind in some intentional way, which jolly well isn't going to happen, so I'll not worry about it much.

 

[XerXesXu]

It would have to somehow mechanically get hooked up with my mind in some intentional way, which jolly well isn't going to happen, so I'll not worry about it much.

To be on the safe side, probably best to avoid buying those cheap, Chinese Bluetooth headsets that are flooding the market.

 

[KeithD]

To be on the safe side, probably best to avoid buying those cheap, Chinese Bluetooth headsets that are flooding the market.

Oh, I buy the best of everything--of everything I actually feel the need to buy. I do appreciate your concern for me, of course.

 

[Beholders_Eye]

So, will the new AI take us in this direction:


or this direction:

 

[Alitaptap]

It's... not, though? The dates make it impossible for it to have been built on GPT-4 (Moxie was commercially available in 2022, GPT-4 was only released last week) and as far as I can tell from the website it doesn't have anything to do with any version of GPT.

According to Moxie's website, it uses a proprietary platform named "SocialX". The website isn't very informative about just how SocialX works, but if it does what they say it does, it's not GPT. In particular, they claim it has the capacity to learn faces etc. while in use, which implies training while in use; that's not how GPT works. (In fact, the "P" in the acronym stands for "pre-trained".)

Gosh, I was writing this really longwinded response to all your great points - Wow, man! You really got into this! Then, my weird brain started thinking of Street Fighter, and it’s been a really long week, so indulge me Here goes:

Bramble (Ryu)
Ali (Chun-Li)

Round 1: Fight!

True, technically it isn’t GPT4, but the makers claim it has that kind of power, although using their own proprietary tech. They didn’t really share much of how it works in the article either, but I suppose it led me to imagine something like GPT4 and future iterations in a robot body, learning from human feedback as people do. How would it respond and learn to sound, touch, its interpretation of human emotion and the like. Then, what would it then create? Would it be able to feel? My bonkers brain goes on these massive leaps, and I do gloss over the details a lot. But yeah, true, it isn’t that, and the devil is in the details

Bramble - 1
Ali - 0

Round 2: Fight!

I feel like if he's already claiming credit for contributing to a robot toy marketed as an "AI friend", he doesn't get to release another robot toy and claim it's "the first AI friend". That seems a bit shady, no? If he's going to do that, he could at least have the decency to pretend the previous time didn't happen.

Hahaha, yes! So wouldn’t Moxie be Friend 2.0? And yeah, AI is still very far from what we could call a friend like you mentioned before - how could it even remotely compare to even a real pet. Still very, very far. So yeah, first AI friend it is not.

Bramble - 2
Ali - 0

Round 3: Fight!

FWIW, AI has been learning from the physical world for a long time - applications like computer driving and locomotion have been major areas of study.

Hmmm, yes, but it’s the first one that I know of that will learn based on human emotion - imagine its interpretation of micro facial expressions, sound, action such as distance, movement, touch - I think it’s pretty groundbreaking. BUT, can it truly do that though - as you pointed out. But then again, seeing how fast technology is evolving, I think it’s more about when rather than if that happens.

Bramble - 2
Ali - 1

Round 4: Fight!

If we could figure out how to build an AI capable of really integrating its knowledge across multiple fields, then having experience with physical phenomena probably would help it become a better writer. But none of the ones we have are close to that yet, AFAIK.

Yes, that’s a great point. That’s what makes the human mind unique isn’t it? The ability to make connections between seemingly unrelated things, and through the tension, to create new thought, ideas, humor, fun, and AI is nowhere close to that.

Bramble: 3
Ali: 1

Bramble wins! (Crowd SFX here)

I surrender This was fun

 

[Bramblethorn]

True, technically it isn’t GPT4, but the makers claim it has that kind of power, although using their own proprietary tech. They didn’t really share much of how it works in the article either, but I suppose it led me to imagine something like GPT4 and future iterations in a robot body, learning from human feedback as people do. How would it respond and learn to sound, touch, its interpretation of human emotion and the like. Then, what would it then create? Would it be able to feel? My bonkers brain goes on these massive leaps, and I do gloss over the details a lot. But yeah, true, it isn’t that, and the devil is in the details

Yeah, i know I can be a bit tiresome with details sometimes. But the world of AI is full of people trying to sell their products; picking at those details and asking "yes, but what does it actually do?" and "so how does it do that?" is the best way I know to separate reality from hype.

As you say, the Moxie site gives very little detail about how their SocialX "AI" functions, and that's part of why I'm skeptical. Searching on it, there are a bunch of other businesses and websites named SocialX but there seems to be little if anything related to their AI outside the Moxie website. If they really had a technology that's good at recognising human emotions, there are so many other areas where that could be commercialised; I'd expect them to be doing that and talking about it to help sell this application. To have something so important and then use it only for this toy... it seems off.

(BTW, I did just find a mention of "GPT-powered" here, so I guess there is a GPT component to it after all - probably GPT-3 from the release timing. But that would only cover dialogue functionality, not the facial recognition aspects.)

The other reason I'm really suspicious is that they're marketing it primarily to the parents of autistic kids. That's a very popular area for shady "therapy" - parents will pay any amount of money if you can convince them their kid needs it, and if it goes wrong the kids on the receiving end aren't in a good position to advocate for their own interests. For folk who follow that particular area there are a bunch of red flags - ABA involvement, focus on training kids to make eye contact, a product marketed for use on autistics without any mention of autistic people being involved in the concept/feedback.

On the topic of facial expressions and AI (though in this case the image-generating kind), I found this one interesting: https://medium.com/@socialcreature/ai-and-the-american-smile-76d23a0fbfaf It doesn't discuss the autism angle but some of the same considerations apply there.

 

[IgneousRocks]

Dear Literotica community,

As writers and readers of erotic fiction, we all share a love for the power of storytelling to transport us to new and exciting worlds of pleasure and desire. Recently, there has been a lot of buzz in the writing community about the use of AI-generated content, and I believe that this exciting new field has the potential to revolutionize the way we think about erotica.

While some may be skeptical about the use of AI-generated content, I believe that there are a number of compelling reasons to explore this new field. AI-generated content can offer readers new and unique perspectives on erotic storytelling, and it can also help to democratize the writing process by making it more accessible to individuals who may not have traditional writing skills. Additionally, there is a growing community of writers and readers who are interested in exploring the possibilities of AI-generated content, and it would be a shame for Literotica to miss out on this exciting and innovative new field of storytelling.

Of course, I understand that some members of the community may have concerns about the use of AI-generated content in the erotica genre. However, I believe that these concerns can be addressed through clear labeling and transparency. For example, stories generated using AI language models could be clearly labeled as such, and readers could be given the option to filter out AI-generated content if they prefer.

I believe that Literotica has the potential to be a leader in this exciting new field of storytelling, and I urge the community to come together to explore the possibilities of AI-generated content in the erotica genre. Let's work together to build a future of storytelling that is inclusive, innovative, and full of pleasure and desire.

Literotica Community,

We all play in Laurel’s and Manu’s sandbox. Their sandbox, their rules. I’ve got that.

I submitted a story a few days ago and received a rejection. This is not a “poor me” diatribe, but an attempt to open a thoughtful dialogue about the use of Ai in writing.

At the end of my story, I purposely attributed some of my inspiration to an AI assist. It is the ethical thing to do. Less than half the story I submitted contained the AI contribution.

I have written twenty original stories, some multi-chaptered, in thirty-seven accepted submissions to literotica.

I received the following explanatory support explanation of the rejection. I have some issues with the logic of the explanation, which I’ll get to after you’ve read the rejection letter that follows. However, I do recognize and respect Literotica’s agency to reject my work for no reason at all.

Dear Writer,
Thank you for your submission to Literotica. We appreciate the time and effort you've taken to write a story and submit it to our site. However, we've found that we cannot post your submission in its current form. The checklist below may help you in re-examining your manuscript.
• Literotica is a storytelling community centered on the sharing of human adult fantasies., we do ask that all work published on the site at this time be written primarily by a human. Please see this FAQ for more information: https://literotica.com/faq/publishing/publishing-ai If you have additional thoughts about AI and the future of erotica publishing, you may want to open a discussion with other authors in the Literotica Author Support Forum: https://forum.literotica.com/forums/authors-hangout.3/
Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions. You can find a list of Volunteer Editors here.
Please consult our Writer's Resources section and make sure you read our submission guidelines.
If you have any questions on these, please let us know.

Laurel & Manu
Literotica.Com

Taking particular points from the above:
• …at this time be written primarily by a human – I am human. Most of the story was written by me. Think of the AI contribution as a starter kit. A prompt. More importantly is the fact that the huge data sources that feed AI are written by humans. Therefore, the AI contribution does, in fact., meet the criterion that the words are extracted from combinations of words written by humans.
• While we do not have a policy against using tools to help with the writing process (i.e. spellcheck, grammar suggestions, etc.) – When using writing tools, we do not know whether such tools as, say Hemingway, are in fact copying the syntax of phrases already in use by other current authors. Therefore, the spirit of AI already is in use. Further, anyone who has read many Literotica stories will find many repetitions of phrases without attribution. All with the potential for copyright infringements. (Think female orgasmistic articulations – usually in capital letters or the platitude of the male asking the female, after he has seduced her, to articulate what she wants.) How is AI dive into the data universe different in intent from the fragmentary copying that already occurs?
• One of the conundrums of AI is that the source of information or syntax is anonymous. There is no way to find the original author. Therefore, asking permission of the author is impossible. The best I can do is to mention the use of AI and thank all the anonymous contributors to my piece universally by acknowledging their proxy, AI.
• Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions. I’m still trying to figure out what a Volunteer Editor might add to my story that would overcome the objections raised. I do my own editing. The only fix I can think of is to remove my admission in my afterword that I used AI as the nidus of the story.
• I can understand the concerns about copyright issues around AI. The NY Times today (15th April 2023) reports on intent to bring in legislation to curtail the use of AI. NY Times also has an article on how AI is being used. Worth a read. I believe AI is unstoppable ¬– any attempt to prevent it will be like Prohibition is the US. There will be AI speakeasies, and the imports from all over the world will skewer even the worthiest efforts to contain its use. We must learn to live with it and learn to use it to our advantage, such as some visual artists are now attempting.

I’m just trying an experiment to join the future.

In any event, the rejection was positive – the story was not that good, on reflection.

Igneousrocks

 

[KeithD]

I'm surprised to see that Literotica already has a submissions position on this. I won't be doing any of it, so I'll just watch the discussion.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Taking particular points from the above:
• …at this time be written primarily by a human – I am human. Most of the story was written by me. Think of the AI contribution as a starter kit. A prompt. More importantly is the fact that the huge data sources that feed AI are written by humans. Therefore, the AI contribution does, in fact., meet the criterion that the words are extracted from combinations of words written by humans.

But "extracted from combinations of words written by humans" wasn't the criterion. A sausage is not a steak.

• While we do not have a policy against using tools to help with the writing process (i.e. spellcheck, grammar suggestions, etc.) – When using writing tools, we do not know whether such tools as, say Hemingway, are in fact copying the syntax of phrases already in use by other current authors. Therefore, the spirit of AI already is in use.

Different things are different, even when they're both labelled as "AI". Just because I have permission to keep a dog in my rental doesn't mean I get to keep an elephant, even if "the spirit of mammals is already in use".

I'm not sure if Hemingway is even trained on text written by other authors - I might have missed something, but as best I can see it works off rules hardcoded by its programmers, not by a machine-learning approach. But even if it were, there's a difference between basic syntax and, say, copying the concept of a sea-captain obsessed with the hunt for a great white whale.

Further, anyone who has read many Literotica stories will find many repetitions of phrases without attribution. All with the potential for copyright infringements. (Think female orgasmistic articulations – usually in capital letters or the platitude of the male asking the female, after he has seduced her, to articulate what she wants.) How is AI dive into the data universe different in intent from the fragmentary copying that already occurs?

The kinds of things you're talking about, short exclamations and "beg for my mighty dick" type stock phrases, would generally not be protected by copyright. If you read a Literotica story and notice something that is covered by somebody else's copyright, you should use the "report story" button.

• One of the conundrums of AI is that the source of information or syntax is anonymous. There is no way to find the original author. Therefore, asking permission of the author is impossible. The best I can do is to mention the use of AI and thank all the anonymous contributors to my piece universally by acknowledging their proxy, AI.

No, "the best you can do" is not to use a tool that makes it impossible to tell whether you're ripping off other people's work without permission.

If I really want to borrow a car, and there's one parked outside my house but I don't know whose it is, that doesn't mean I get to hotwire it and say "well there was no way of knowing who to ask".

If I'm running a magazine, and it comes to my attention that one of my "writers" has a habit of "borrowing" unattributed from other people's work, I don't get to throw up my hands and say "well he doesn't tell me when he's plagiarising or from whom, so I guess I gotta keep on publishing his submissions".

• Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it, or after you've made revisions. I’m still trying to figure out what a Volunteer Editor might add to my story that would overcome the objections raised. I do my own editing. The only fix I can think of is to remove my admission in my afterword that I used AI as the nidus of the story.

Presumably, removing the AI-generated text and replacing with your own words would count as a "revision" that might make the story acceptable. I assume the bit about a VE is just boilerplate rejection text.

• I can understand the concerns about copyright issues around AI. The NY Times today (15th April 2023) reports on intent to bring in legislation to curtail the use of AI. NY Times also has an article on how AI is being used. Worth a read. I believe AI is unstoppable ¬– any attempt to prevent it will be like Prohibition is the US. There will be AI speakeasies, and the imports from all over the world will skewer even the worthiest efforts to contain its use.

Perhaps so. That doesn't mean any of us need to volunteer for the role of AI Capone.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I’m just trying an experiment to join the future.

In any event, the rejection was positive – the story was not that good, on reflection.

Igneousrocks

Isn't this a rehash of the first post in this thread?

Being cynical, if this is how folk are going to use AI content here, it's going to get very tiresome very quickly.

 

[TadOverdon]

So, will the new AI take us in this direction:
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or this direction:
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[IgneousRocks]

Take a look at today's (21st April) New York Times piece by FARHAD MANJOO under the headline ChatGPT Is Already Changing How I Do My Job.

No doubt that AI is here to stay. Now we must find the wisdom to use it well and ethically when writing. Time for Lit to get on board with some clearly defined guidelines.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Take a look at today's (21st April) New York Times piece by FARHAD MANJOO under the headline ChatGPT Is Already Changing How I Do My Job.

No doubt that AI is here to stay. Now we must find the wisdom to use it well and ethically when writing. Time for Lit to get on board with some clearly defined guidelines.

They've already provided some pretty clear guidelines, it's just that you don't like them.

 

[gunhilltrain]

So, will the new AI take us in this direction:
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or this direction:
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Speaking of science fiction, in The Twilight Zone episode The Lonely (1959!), Alicia proves to Corey that she has emotions by crying when he insults her. She is a robot under the skin, much like the original Terminator.

In my version here, she responds to his grumpiness by seducing him. (She is an android, not a robot). Anyway, different tactics, but the same results. Both versions I think would qualify as true AI.

 

[IgneousRocks]

They've already provided some pretty clear guidelines, it's just that you don't like them.

True.
I do not like the apparently purely advisory aspect of the guidelines. Arbitrary decisions arise from case-by-case reviews. There is no official policy. Clarity is all I'm looking for in order to conform. It's time to harden up the guidelines into policy. Lit's sandbox, Lit's hard rules. I can live with that.
I quote from the guidelines:
We are monitoring the various ethical concerns around AI tools (some of which we have been contacted about directly from members of the Literotica Community). We plan to continue closely watching the development of AI, along with the development of public policies around AI, before creating our own official policies.