Condemnation of local swinger’s club.

[AchtungNight]

I have written extensively about swingers, but the only times I’ve set foot in actual swingers’ clubs I’ve been disappointed. Colette’s in Austin for example features an uncomfortable atmosphere, too high a price for single men, only urinals in the men’s room, no women receptive to my advances and no employee guides like someone would get in my ficverse (my club Inside Out can set you up with club members as such wing-people if you want them, it’s mandatory your first night if not an experienced swinger, see my stories Fire Woman, Passion 5, and A Step Up for examples of Doug Ramsay playing such a role). Real club just turns you loose and lets you strike out. The display areas are also bland and unwelcoming. Not a place I plan on revisiting as a divorced person in need of comfort. Hopefully other clubs will be more supportive of my one night stand habit when I attempt to indulge it among them soon.

Not easy to score when unscripted, but not good when a club doesn’t help. Yes, I know some of my complaints are deterrents created in response to assholes, but when you never intend on asshole behavior outside false assumptions… yes, I will admit this is revenge. I’m glad my fictional club is more respectful of single people, LBGTQs, and celebrities.

If anyone knows a better club in the Austin area to meet welcoming women, please share your thoughts. I’m a divorced guy getting back in the game after several years of depression plus pandemic and stress ain’t fun.

 

[littlecordelera]

I guess I prefer what you dislike. I won't go to a swing club that allows unescorted single guys.

 

[AchtungNight]

I think I just picked the wrong place. Other local adult clubs are cheaper and seem more accommodating. I’ll be visiting them soon and seeing what happens. Hopefully there will be more responsive atmosphere and people. Trust me, I may be a pornography fan and creator but I’m not a bad guy.

 

[littlecordelera]

I think I just picked the wrong place. Other local adult clubs are cheaper and seem more accommodating. I’ll be visiting them soon and seeing what happens. Hopefully there will be more responsive atmosphere and people. Trust me, I may be a pornography fan and creator but I’m not a bad guy.

I'm sure you are, but it doesn't matter how nice you are. As a single guy, it's all gravy. You have minimal risk, nothing to lose, and no skin in the game. You would do better to place a profile on a swing site and work from there. For a single guy, this has far more success. Your chances in a swing club are very remote, unless you can find a swing couple to escort you.

 

[Escierto]

I'm sure you are, but it doesn't matter how nice you are. As a single guy, it's all gravy. You have minimal risk, nothing to lose, and no skin in the game. You would do better to place a profile on a swing site and work from there. For a single guy, this has far more success. Your chances in a swing club are very remote, unless you can find a swing couple to escort you.

I have heard of single guys finding single women for the sole purpose of having them accompany them to a swing club.

 

[Goldenfinger]

I have written extensively about swingers, but the only times I’ve set foot in actual swingers’ clubs I’ve been disappointed. Colette’s in Austin for example features an uncomfortable atmosphere, too high a price for single men, only urinals in the men’s room, no women receptive to my advances and no employee guides like someone would get in my ficverse (my club Inside Out can set you up with club members as such wing-people if you want them, it’s mandatory your first night if not an experienced swinger, see my stories Fire Woman, Passion 5, and A Step Up for examples of Doug Ramsay playing such a role). Real club just turns you loose and lets you strike out. The display areas are also bland and unwelcoming. Not a place I plan on revisiting as a divorced person in need of comfort. Hopefully other clubs will be more supportive of my one night stand habit when I attempt to indulge it among them soon.

Not easy to score when unscripted, but not good when a club doesn’t help. Yes, I know some of my complaints are deterrents created in response to assholes, but when you never intend on asshole behavior outside false assumptions… yes, I will admit this is revenge. I’m glad my fictional club is more respectful of single people, LBGTQs, and celebrities.

If anyone knows a better club in the Austin area to meet welcoming women, please share your thoughts. I’m a divorced guy getting back in the game after several years of depression plus pandemic and stress ain’t fun.

The Colette Club. I have never been, and I haven’t lived there in a lifetime (Buda) Everything is expensive for a single guy.

 

[AchtungNight]

I'm sure you are, but it doesn't matter how nice you are. As a single guy, it's all gravy. You have minimal risk, nothing to lose, and no skin in the game. You would do better to place a profile on a swing site and work from there. For a single guy, this has far more success. Your chances in a swing club are very remote, unless you can find a swing couple to escort you.

Good to know. Not my thing anymore, never again. I don’t know any couples open enough for escort and adult hookup sites are too full of ghosts and fakes.

 

[mark_j]

Good to know. Not my thing anymore, never again. I don’t know any couples open enough for escort and adult hookup sites are too full of ghosts and fakes.

Unfortunately, very few clubs are going to be receptive to idea of a single unaccompanied males. You may very well not be "one of those guys" but it has happened far too often for most clubs to take the chance.

 

[PapaRomantic]

Club - "Sorry, no single guys allowed."

Single guy - "But I'm a nice guy!"

Club - "Oh, sorry - come on in!"


Said no club ever....

 

[magicalmoments]

I have heard of single guys finding single women for the sole purpose of having them accompany them to a swing club.

I found myself in this situation accidentally. As a single guy I used to advertise in swingers magazines to meet people. I met a single chick who was looking for a regular fuck buddy. We hit it off and after several meetings she asked me I'd like to go to swingers clubs with her. I jumped at the chance. We went to two. I would never have gained entry as a single guy. Turns out that swingers clubs were not my thing. Great fantasy, but shit reality for me.

 

[J_Bone]

Swingers clubs like Colette (been there many times) are NOT a place for single men with the possible exception of a hotwife couple bringing along their asset (bull) on the odd nights single men are accepted, which is rare. Sounds like you thought you'd just show up and get laid and are pissed because it predictably didn't happen.

If you're a single man, swingers clubs are not for you. Just reality.

 

[AchtungNight]

Yep. I got that. It’s fine. My fantasy hookup club was never their kind of place and I am glad to learn they were not my kind of people. A couple who got out of the club very quickly shortly before I left probably learned similar things. Not sure what happened to them, but the wife looked in serious distress and her husband was very upset too.

 

[BiDrew42]

Swingers clubs like Colette (been there many times) are NOT a place for single men with the possible exception of a hotwife couple bringing along their asset (bull) on the odd nights single men are accepted, which is rare. Sounds like you thought you'd just show up and get laid and are pissed because it predictably didn't happen.

If you're a single man, swingers clubs are not for you. Just reality.

I haven't been to a Swingers Club since 2014, but that was not my experience. Single men were welcome most nights of the week. Miami Velvet allows single men - they just pay a higher entrance fee. Back in the mid-80's I attended Deenie's Hideaway and Plato's Retreat on a regular basis on nights when single males were welcome, and I also attended with a female partner on a number of occasions. Had great sex every time I was there.

 

[CuttingEdge]

That is not really how it is done anymore. Like the rest of the universe, everything is done online now.

Where you set up your profile is where you meet the ladies that you are looking for. Cheap, free sites like Tinder or Plenty of Fish do have nice ladies, but over all they tend to be a lot of low value women. Other sites that you have to pay for, net you a higher percentage of higher valued women. But where you set up your for profile dictates all that. If you want swingers, then you go to an online dating site that caters to that kind of thing. If you are looking for a CEO type lady, there are sites for that. Either way, people are vetted via profiles, pictures and texts if things progress that far. The days of pick-up lines and last-calls went the way of the Doo-Doo Bird back in the mid 1990's.

If you are looking to meet real people, in real places, then the best place to meet a lot of pretty women is actually at your local church on a Sunday morning. I am not joking, you would be astounded by the number of single, good-looking ladies who go to church every sunday.

 

[604mike]

Low value women? Did you really just write that out? Did you read it to yourself before you hit post? It’s pretty awful ngl.

 

[CuttingEdge]

Low value women? Did you really just write that out? Did you read it to yourself before you hit post? It’s pretty awful ngl.

What is so awful about it? What is considered "low value" is extremely subjective.

I have had two very pretty ex-wives that played the role well in certain social situations, but were also extremely dumb. Having lived that out, it is not what I want in my life, and what I would consider a low-value woman. To me, they are not worth the high cost. To some guys that is exactly what they are looking for though, and I hope they find that, and it works out for them. For a family man, a woman that loves to have sex with him and his five friends on poker night would be considered a low value woman, where as another man would love to have that kind of lady.

But no matter what situation a person is in, man or woman, if they are not content with themselves, they can aspire to be different. A woman that gets beaten by her boyfriend again and again does not need to repeat the cycle, and yet some often find themselves in that vicious cycle. That is a low value lady, not because she is a victim, but because she is not using the resources out there to help rise above the situation she is in. And it is no better for a man. If he likes being in a female led relationship, more power to him, but he is just as low-value if his girlfriend nags at him unceasingly and does nothing about it.

It is not about things people cannot change, like their race, parents, where they were born, how their parents raised them, or how wealthy or poor they were growing up; it is about using resources and skills to rise above any of that. But anyone who stays where they do not want to be, is low-value.

I have raised six daughters, and can say this; none are low-value. All along the way one theme has emerged, "You got this", and they are bold and have confidence because of it. They are NOT helpless. From infancy to adulthood I knew one thing, if I did my job right, they would need me as a father a little less every day.

 

[honestWithWifie]

What is so awful about it? What is considered "low value" is extremely subjective.

I have had two very pretty ex-wives that played the role well in certain social situations, but were also extremely dumb. Having lived that out, it is not what I want in my life, and what I would consider a low-value woman. To me, they are not worth the high cost. To some guys that is exactly what they are looking for though, and I hope they find that, and it works out for them. For a family man, a woman that loves to have sex with him and his five friends on poker night would be considered a low value woman, where as another man would love to have that kind of lady.

But no matter what situation a person is in, man or woman, if they are not content with themselves, they can aspire to be different. A woman that gets beaten by her boyfriend again and again does not need to repeat the cycle, and yet some often find themselves in that vicious cycle. That is a low value lady, not because she is a victim, but because she is not using the resources out there to help rise above the situation she is in. And it is no better for a man. If he likes being in a female led relationship, more power to him, but he is just as low-value if his girlfriend nags at him unceasingly and does nothing about it.

It is not about things people cannot change, like their race, parents, where they were born, how their parents raised them, or how wealthy or poor they were growing up; it is about using resources and skills to rise above any of that. But anyone who stays where they do not want to be, is low-value.

I have raised six daughters, and can say this; none are low-value. All along the way one theme has emerged, "You got this", and they are bold and have confidence because of it. They are NOT helpless. From infancy to adulthood I knew one thing, if I did my job right, they would need me as a father a little less every day.

You wrote out a one sided argument why it's OK to referring to women as "low value". I agree with 604mike. Maybe you could just allow a slight 1% of brain thoughts to consider another's differing opinion? Maybe you're not correct in your thinking 100% of the time?

 

[Kelliezgirl]

You wrote out a one sided argument why it's OK to referring to women as "low value". I agree with 604mike. Maybe you could just allow a slight 1% of brain thoughts to consider another's differing opinion? Maybe you're not correct in your thinking 100% of the time?

Would you have been equally offended if he had talked about low value men?

 

[littlecordelera]

Good to know. Not my thing anymore, never again. I don’t know any couples open enough for escort and adult hookup sites are too full of ghosts and fakes.

I agree. Unless you already have friends who you know are swingers, there is almost no chance of you finding a couple to escort you.

But let me point out one last thing.

Public swing clubs and private swing clubs have almost nothing in common. Private swing clubs require its members to sign a contract that sets forth stiff penalties and various levels of disciplinary actions for behaviors that, in any way, harass its members or threaten the privacy of the club. As a result, the atmosphere in a private club is one of respect and boundaries, and there is an accepted level of decorum when it comes to approaching another couple. I know that most people on the outside view private swing clubs as a free-for-all orgy, but they are nothing like that. Sex is never allowed in the common areas, and in my experience, most couples never have sex in the club. This is because private swing clubs are a place for couples to meet "like-minded" couples with the intent of a long-term friendship that just happens to include sex. The club itself is just a meeting place. Someone's house is far better suited for sex than any club environment...usually. But since a private swing club requires a contract, some level of training on the club's rules, and fairly steep membership fees, all the gawkers and the predators, and the rift raft are weeded out. As I mentioned before, a person standing in a private swing club has some serious skin in the game. Their primary intent is absolutely not a one night stand.

As others have said, I think you would do just fine on one of the major dating sites. I know that works for my single friends.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck.

 

[AchtungNight]

That is not really how it is done anymore. Like the rest of the universe, everything is done online now.

Where you set up your profile is where you meet the ladies that you are looking for. Cheap, free sites like Tinder or Plenty of Fish do have nice ladies, but over all they tend to be a lot of low value women. Other sites that you have to pay for, net you a higher percentage of higher valued women. But where you set up your for profile dictates all that. If you want swingers, then you go to an online dating site that caters to that kind of thing. If you are looking for a CEO type lady, there are sites for that. Either way, people are vetted via profiles, pictures and texts if things progress that far. The days of pick-up lines and last-calls went the way of the Doo-Doo Bird back in the mid 1990's.

If you are looking to meet real people, in real places, then the best place to meet a lot of pretty women is actually at your local church on a Sunday morning. I am not joking, you would be astounded by the number of single, good-looking ladies who go to church every sunday.

Sorry. If God wants to put a beautiful woman in my life, I would rather not have to deal with all the crap associated with regulation of our lives behind a religion I don’t believe in. I trust God to do right by me for being a good person whether or not I’m a churchgoer. If that’s not acceptable to you, tough.

 

[AchtungNight]

I agree. Unless you already have friends who you know are swingers, there is almost no chance of you finding a couple to escort you.

But let me point out one last thing.

Public swing clubs and private swing clubs have almost nothing in common. Private swing clubs require its members to sign a contract that sets forth stiff penalties and various levels of disciplinary actions for behaviors that, in any way, harass its members or threaten the privacy of the club. As a result, the atmosphere in a private club is one of respect and boundaries, and there is an accepted level of decorum when it comes to approaching another couple. I know that most people on the outside view private swing clubs as a free-for-all orgy, but they are nothing like that. Sex is never allowed in the common areas, and in my experience, most couples never have sex in the club. This is because private swing clubs are a place for couples to meet "like-minded" couples with the intent of a long-term friendship that just happens to include sex. The club itself is just a meeting place. Someone's house is far better suited for sex than any club environment...usually. But since a private swing club requires a contract, some level of training on the club's rules, and fairly steep membership fees, all the gawkers and the predators, and the rift raft are weeded out. As I mentioned before, a person standing in a private swing club has some serious skin in the game. Their primary intent is absolutely not a one night stand.

As others have said, I think you would do just fine on one of the major dating sites. I know that works for my single friends.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck.

Thx. Obviously the club I visited and the club I write about are worlds apart. I’m glad to know this. I will look for my next good hook-up in the world in which I am most comfortable and hope it becomes a lasting relationship. I believe in a higher power that will support me in this. Perhaps I will prove a previous shamer wrong about casual pickups still being around.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

I agree. Unless you already have friends who you know are swingers, there is almost no chance of you finding a couple to escort you.

But let me point out one last thing.

Public swing clubs and private swing clubs have almost nothing in common. Private swing clubs require its members to sign a contract that sets forth stiff penalties and various levels of disciplinary actions for behaviors that, in any way, harass its members or threaten the privacy of the club. As a result, the atmosphere in a private club is one of respect and boundaries, and there is an accepted level of decorum when it comes to approaching another couple. I know that most people on the outside view private swing clubs as a free-for-all orgy, but they are nothing like that. Sex is never allowed in the common areas, and in my experience, most couples never have sex in the club. This is because private swing clubs are a place for couples to meet "like-minded" couples with the intent of a long-term friendship that just happens to include sex. The club itself is just a meeting place. Someone's house is far better suited for sex than any club environment...usually. But since a private swing club requires a contract, some level of training on the club's rules, and fairly steep membership fees, all the gawkers and the predators, and the rift raft are weeded out. As I mentioned before, a person standing in a private swing club has some serious skin in the game. Their primary intent is absolutely not a one night stand.

As others have said, I think you would do just fine on one of the major dating sites. I know that works for my single friends.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck.

It's not so much a difference between public/private clubs. Rather, it is on-premises or off-premises. Another poster above, BiDrew, mentioned several clubs with which I am familiar. All are private. However, two are on-premises and one is off-premises. At an off-premises club, people go, dance, drink, flirt, and make connections, then go somewhere else to have sex. Deenies Hideaway is that type of club. At an on-premises club, there are locker rooms, showers, and playrooms. People go, meet, and have sex in the club. Platos and Miami Velvet are that type of club. These clubs have a variety of membership plans, including a 1 night membership, that may make them seem like they are public. However, you still have to buy a membership and pay the door fee to get in. You also have to bring your own alcohol. We were members at Miami Velvet and another club for several years, and had many great times meeting people and having sex in the club. Otherwise, the rules are as you describe. Disrespectful behavior is prohibited. Couples and single females are always allowed, but single males are only allowed on specific nights. At one club we belonged to couples are required to stay together. The reason for that is sometime men would bring a woman to get in on couples night, then leave her at the bar while he trolled the playrooms. When that became a problem, they instituted the couples stay together rule. We never attended on a night where single males were allowed, so I cannot comment on how things worked on those nights. The comments I read on the club website indicated those nights were attended by couples looking for a third (or fourth and fifth), but not so much single females looking for single men.

 

[littlecordelera]

It's not so much a difference between public/private clubs. Rather, it is on-premises or off-premises. Another poster above, BiDrew, mentioned several clubs with which I am familiar. All are private. However, two are on-premises and one is off-premises. At an off-premises club, people go, dance, drink, flirt, and make connections, then go somewhere else to have sex. Deenies Hideaway is that type of club. At an on-premises club, there are locker rooms, showers, and playrooms. People go, meet, and have sex in the club. Platos and Miami Velvet are that type of club. These clubs have a variety of membership plans, including a 1 night membership, that may make them seem like they are public. However, you still have to buy a membership and pay the door fee to get in. You also have to bring your own alcohol. We were members at Miami Velvet and another club for several years, and had many great times meeting people and having sex in the club. Otherwise, the rules are as you describe. Disrespectful behavior is prohibited. Couples and single females are always allowed, but single males are only allowed on specific nights. At one club we belonged to couples are required to stay together. The reason for that is sometime men would bring a woman to get in on couples night, then leave her at the bar while he trolled the playrooms. When that became a problem, they instituted the couples stay together rule. We never attended on a night where single males were allowed, so I cannot comment on how things worked on those nights. The comments I read on the club website indicated those nights were attended by couples looking for a third (or fourth and fifth), but not so much single females looking for single men.

If I may make a distinction.

Paying a membership does not make it a private club. A private club is one for which the public is unaware of its existence, and for which public disclosure would make one liable for massive fines. If the general public can know about the club, or it can be mentioned in Literotica forums without risk, it's not a private club.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

If I may make a distinction.

Paying a membership does not make it a private club. A private club is one for which the public is unaware of its existence, and for which public disclosure would make one liable for massive fines. If the general public can know about the club, or it can be mentioned in Literotica forums without risk, it's not a private club.

Well, if you're talking about secret clubs, I know nothing about those. I'm talking about private membership clubs as legal entities. The clubs I mentioned are legally classified as private membership clubs. They are only open to members. No one without a membership can walk in. Members, however, can pay the door fee, enter, and engage in as much sex as they like without fear of repercussion. About 20 years ago an overzealous sheriff tried to shut down a club. He sent officers in and made arrests, but every case was thrown out of court. If you're talking about Eyes Wide Shut types of clubs, that's wholly outside my experience.

 

[littlecordelera]

Well, if you're talking about secret clubs, I know nothing about those. I'm talking about private membership clubs as legal entities. The clubs I mentioned are legally classified as private membership clubs. They are only open to members. No one without a membership can walk in. Members, however, can pay the door fee, enter, and engage in as much sex as they like without fear of repercussion. About 20 years ago an overzealous sheriff tried to shut down a club. He sent officers in and made arrests, but every case was thrown out of court. If you're talking about Eyes Wide Shut types of clubs, that's wholly outside my experience.

Oh, I see, as a legal entity. Yes, that makes sense. I apologize for the confusion.