Write a controversial opinion

[M_K_Babalon]

Women who have their first children at a younger age (teens and twenties) are happier than the women who have their first children in their late thirties and early forties.

They still have hope at those ages. By the time one hits their early thirties, they know better.

 

[NuclearFairy]

They still have hope at those ages. By the time one hits their early thirties, they know better.

Honestly, I had my first child in my late twenties. And I sometimes wish I'd waited a few more years so that we could've tried a little longer to get a stable life first. But more and more women aren't having kids until they give up on that hope of a more steady stable life, because it's never a good time to have kids. So as much as I encourage anyone who asks my opinion to wait till you're thirty. I also understand not waiting, because if it's never a good time, then that means that there are only bad times and worse times. With the worst times being those that are the most dangerous for your physical health.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

Honestly, I had my first child in my late twenties. And I sometimes wish I'd waited a few more years so that we could've tried a little longer to get a stable life first. But more and more women aren't having kids until they give up on that hope of a more steady stable life, because it's never a good time to have kids. So as much as I encourage anyone who asks my opinion to wait till you're thirty. I also understand not waiting, because if it's never a good time, then that means that there are only bad times and worse times. With the worst times being those that are the most dangerous for your physical health.

Yep, it never really is a good time. Nothing adds up to the perfect moment, unless you're twenty and have a lot of money and an on-call babysitter, maybe. I had my first at 22 and the other five years later. It was a struggle, and if I had one now, too close to forty than I want to be, it would still be that same struggle.

 

[Erozetta]

Of my relatives, the ones who had kids young (13-22) are stuck in dead end jobs with abusive relationships they see as romantic.

The ones who waited (25-35) are working decent jobs with decent relationships.

The ones without kids are happy in healthy relationships, look about a decade younger than they are, and have great careers.

 

[iwatchus]

My SO and I were each in our mid-thirties when our son was born. We had been married for 11 1/2 years and had both established very well paying careers. We actually both took off 8 months from working after he was born, a benefit of having had an overly large income earlier. Having that relaxed time with him was wonderful.

We had other reasons for having him when we did, but I think the timing worked out very well.

 

[XerXesXu]

Pregnancy is an STD.

 

[Statius]

Pregnancy is an STD.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Pregnancy is an STD.

Chlamydia is such a pretty name for a girl.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Pregnancy is an STD.

So I guess we're AIDING our parents after all...

 

[SimonDoom]

The best flower is a purple iris.

 

[SilkyVine]

“Loving Wives” was always tongue-in-cheek and never literal.

This is controversial?

"Loving Wives
Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more."

Not our problem the insecure manlets can't read I mean it says it RIGHT THERE. "extra-marital". What do they think this means?

 

[Robin_Starveling]

The best flower is a purple iris.

The Tulip Mania was the only time flowers were ever valued properly.

 

[Robin_Starveling]

While few would deny that older parents (those past 30 or even 35) tend to be more emotionally and financially stable, and thus better equipped to provide a secure environment for a child, the disadvantages of delayed parenthood are far less acknowledged.

Biological constraints mean that older parents generally have only one or two children, contributing to population decline across much of the West. This demographic contraction, in turn, fuels the demand for imported labor from the developing world. Such immigration often grows uncontrollably, undermining social stability and the moral fabric of Western society.

More importantly, advanced paternal age brings genetic risks that no policy can offset. Aging leads to the accumulation of DNA damage, fragmentation, and de novo mutations in sperm cells. These changes are strongly linked to a range of neurodevelopmental and psychiatric conditions in offspring, including autism, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder, as well as low birth weight and neonatal seizures.

It is therefore unsurprising that the West faces a surge in autism and ADHD. While contemporary couples celebrate their prolonged independence and self-fulfillment, they are also undermining the very continuity of the lifestyle and values they claim to cherish.

 

[XerXesXu]

The Tulip Mania was the only time flowers were ever valued properly.

I have a tulip bulb for sale for only the average annual salary. PM me.

 

[Baztrachian]

Mark me down as seriously dubious of this.

"Write a controversial opinion"​

 

[PennyThompson]

the ones who had kids young (13-22) are stuck in dead end jobs with abusive relationships they see as romantic.

For a certain kind of "trad guy," this is a feature not a bug

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

"Write a controversial opinion"​

'Baztrachian does not understand the definition of the word opinion' - this is a statement of fact that is theoretically provable one way or another. And so it's not an opinion.

'Baztrachian's opinions would be better kept to himself' - this is an opinion because it's a judgement and, while I can argue for its validity, it's not based on provable facts or knowledge.

I could be wrong but I'm guessing you meant to say 'I would prefer women to have children earlier in life' but you know that's a preference that's going to be picked apart quickly and effectively on this particular forum and so you tried to make it seem more valid by presenting it as a factual statement in which, actually, it's mostly for the benefit of women - 'women...are happier...' - and not because you yourself have issues with competent and accomplished women who are in control of their own lives.

The irony here is that, as a 'trad' guy, you don't even have the confidence to speak your mind plainly.

Real men shouldn't be mealy-mouthed.

That's an opinion, by the way.

 

[PennyThompson]

The irony here is that, as a 'trad' guy, you don't even have the confidence to speak your mind plainly.

Real men shouldn't be mealy-mouthed.

Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary, or a guy with a viking/crusader/anime profile picture how old he thinks women should be when they have their first child

 

[Baztrachian]

For a certain kind of "trad guy," this is a feature not a bug

It isn't always abusive.

Shit, I didn't even know I was a 'trad guy' until after my first marriage exploded and went down in flames. The first Mrs. Baz was very liberated and decided that she had to be 'free'.

My second wife was someone who had been nursing a crush on me and when we got together we went bare, she moved in with me, she got pregnant, and we got married. Three kids and a thirty-one year marriage followed.

After we paid off the house in 1993 she stayed home and I fucking loved it. So did she.

Rae died in March 2020 and I've been single ever since.

 

[PennyThompson]

It isn't always abusive.

 

[crookedletter]

It isn't always abusive.

Shit, I didn't even know I was a 'trad guy' until after my first marriage exploded and went down in flames. The first Mrs. Baz was very liberated and decided that she had to be 'free'.

My second wife was someone who had been nursing a crush on me and when we got together we went bare, she moved in with me, she got pregnant, and we got married. Three kids and a thirty-one year marriage followed.

After we paid off the house in 1993 she stayed home and I fucking loved it. So did she.

Rae died in March 2020 and I've been single ever since.

I'm sorry for your loss. Your life's trajectory is, of course, entirely valid, and I hope it brought you happiness. But it's far from the only path towards happiness.

 

[Baztrachian]

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You should find yourself a cat.

 

[Baztrachian]

I'm sorry for your loss. Your life's trajectory is, of course, entirely valid, and I hope it brought you happiness. But it's far from the only path towards happiness.

True. Some people are only happy when they die.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/marriage-motherhood-happiness-children/684064/

A common narrative has it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy. New data suggest the opposite is true.

 

[PennyThompson]

You should find yourself a cat.