will of god part II

[Todd]

I got thinking about what Thumper had said about God knows that ones that won't choose them and they go to hell. God still goes ahead and lets the soul come into existence.

Trying to tie this parrenting, in essense its the same God created us as children, we as parents create children.

On that thought, we know our kids are not going to be good and perfect, we know our children will rebel. So on the logic God shouldn't create souls that will go to hell, does that mean that none us should have children because they will misbehave?

[Edited by Todd on 01-07-2001 at 07:43 PM]

 

[Ezzy]

That only makes God...

As fallible as humans are, in that we both make mistakes about our children.

Does this omnipotent all wise and powerful God, cause children to be born to parents who follow other faiths, or philosophies that do not include God as an attempt to test their powers of observation that they live “bad” lives without God, and to send them to “Hell” when they die.

Or if he doesn’t send them to “Hell” does he allow them to be reincarnated as some of their faiths say?

If he does this for them why does he not allow Christians to be reincarnated?



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[Todd]

Re: That only makes God...

As fallible as humans are, in that we both make mistakes about our children.

The only 'mistake' That I see that God made as a parent figure, is He allows his children to choose or refuse. Sure he could of forced us all to bend a knee and worship, but what would the point of that to be? A child forced to conform is resentful, would you not be resentful if God automatically as soon as you were able to unferdtand forced you to follow Him?

Does this omnipotent all wise and powerful God, cause children to be born to parents who follow other faiths, or philosophies that do not include God as an attempt to test their powers of observation that they live “bad” lives without God, and to send them to “Hell” when they die.

A thought to try and clarify it all or it clarifies things a bit for me. When God originally created mankind, the soul was living and in fellowship with God. When mankind willfully choose to do the one thing God had asked them not to do it the soul died, and lost that living connection with God. All mankind hnce forth is born with a dead soul that does not share fellowhip with God, though god does want fellowship with the indivisual soul. So what choice does that leave God? If the soul does not want fellowship with God what should He do with it whne the host body dies as well? Should he reward it and let it in to heaven though it does not want to be with God? Should He annilate it, and have it face no punishment? Does he allow it to live on taking on another host body and recieve the blessings of life?

Or if he doesn’t send them to “Hell” does he allow them to be reincarnated as some of their faiths say?

Again He does not send them to Hell, He allows them to walk in fully of there own accord, He provides ample opportunity to go to heaven instead of continuing thier journey to Hell.

If he does this for them why does he not allow Christians to be reincarnated?

See answer two above


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[Ezzy]

Under these conditions of a Loving God...

I think a death bed conversion is in order. Just in case Pascall was right.



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[Todd]

Another though I have about the whole deal is this:

If I am wrong and there is no God what have I wasted, but 70-80-90 some ought years of trying to be a better person and trying to improve society.

If I am right and there is a God, what is wasted by not accepting his offer, an eternity?

 

[Angel]

Another though I have about the whole deal is this:

If I am wrong and there is no God what have I wasted, but 70-80-90 some ought years of trying to be a better person and trying to improve society.

If I am right and there is a God, what is wasted by not accepting his offer, an eternity?

I don't believe in God, yet I continually strive to be a better person, and hope that my actions will in some small part improve society. I also don't NOT believe in God. I firmly believe that if there IS a God, why would he create humans just to worship and obey his Will? If there is a God he is probably laughing his ass off right now at all the bullshit arguing about the RIGHT religious beliefs. I believe there is SOMETHING out there, not necessarily some all knowing, all great Godlike being, but something. I also have this theory that perhaps we all, and I mean ALL of us (Aside from maybe the Atheist) are worshipping, serving, believing, revering (Whichever you prefer) the same thing. We just call it a different name, worship it in a different way, etc.

Or there just IS no God and we're all fools ::grin::


Anyone ever read "Ramtha" ?

 

[Thumper]

God is too big..

for one religion.

I do not think you have wasted your life if you have striven to be a better person, no matter the motivation Todd. That is where I believe religion, most of them anyway, has advanced humanity. True, it has been corrupted at times and used by individuals and groups to subjugate and brutalize others, but there is an underlying thread of wisdom in most beliefs. At the heart of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, the Dao, Native American spiritualism etc. is the belief that we can do better. They all teach tolerance, respect and forgiveness. Imagine how great the world would be if everyone lived by these three simple ideas. Unfortunately, most people only focus on the differences and not the similarities. This is why I have trouble understanding the middle east problems. The Israelis and Palestinians are brothers for Christ's sake! (how do ya like the big three tie in hehe) They share a common heritage and even some ancestral ties. They regard some of the same locations as Holy. Why can't they agree to share these sites and get along. These sites should be havens for peace and sanctuary yet they are killing each other over them.

OK...the difference between God and parents in allowing souls/children who will misbehave to come into existence is that(according to the bible) God knows who will be sent to eternal punishment. We as parents do not know the extent of our children's straying. We know they will make mistakes and be rebellious at times and this isn't necessarily bad, but we don't know if they will go too far. If I knew for certain my child was going to be a murderer or pedophile or so messed up that their life was nothing but misery then I certainly wouldn't participate in conceiving them. I love my children so much that any disappointments they feel or hurts they suffer are my own. I so much want to spare my kids the heartaches of growing up...unrequited love/crushes, getting turned down for a job or a starting position on a team etc but I can't take that pain away. Much as God couldn't take Jesus pain at the Garden of Gethsemane(sp). The only way to take the pain away is to not care. There are plenty of humans like that, they have a lot of soul growth ahead of them...meaning they gotta come back and do the grade over.

Ezzy illustrated the paradox perfectly with his statement that God is..

...As fallible as humans are, in that we both make mistakes about our children.

Yet the Bible says God is infallible and does not make mistakes.

Personally I don't believe in eternal punishment, that would serve no purpose...we are here to learn and to figure the truth out...some of it is in all religions...our job is to discern it and tie it all together.

God is much more complex than to just create pawns to play out a game that he already knows the outcome of..

I believe he or she or whoever it is or whatever it is, wants us to question things...