Will Obama be a Clinton or a Carter?

[Sonny Limatina]

Maybe, but I bet he can spell "loser" and "liar". Hard to take an insult seriously when you do shit like that.

To be fair, Roslyn Carter was pretty loose, and Clinton once fucked a bag of lye.

 

[The_Trouvere]

He'll be a reagan.

I have thought the same thing. In November 1982 unemployment was 10.8%. Currently it is 9.6%.
http://www.p360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=44&count=all

In the November elections of 1982 Reagan's approval rating was 42%. Currently, Obama's approval rating is 46%.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/elections/l/bl_mid_term_election_results.htm
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

In the 1982 elections the Republicans gained one seat in the Senate, but lost 26 in the House.

Nevertheless, the economy did improve. In 1984 Reagan won a landslide and changed the United States in a rightward direction. With a lower unemployment rate and a higher approval rating than Reagan had after as many days in office, Obama may achieve the same political realignment in a leftward direction. Of course, it's not over until it's over.

 

[RightField]

I have thought the same thing. In November 1982 unemployment was 10.8%. Currently it is 9.6%.
http://www.p360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=44&count=all

In the November elections of 1982 Reagan's approval rating was 42%. Currently, Obama's approval rating is 46%.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/elections/l/bl_mid_term_election_results.htm
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

In the 1982 elections the Republicans gained one seat in the Senate, but lost 26 in the House.

Nevertheless, the economy did improve. In 1984 Reagan won a landslide and changed the United States in a rightward direction. With a lower unemployment rate and a higher approval rating than Reagan had after as many days in office, Obama may achieve the same political realignment in a leftward direction. Of course, it's not over until it's over.

It would be nice if that happened and we returned to growth pretty quickly. However, I don't see that. These recent policies have put too much unpredictability in the current and future economic forecasts and future obligations in healthcare, deficit interest payments and the often-discussed new environmental and energy regulations that the EPA has been authorized to implement by FIAT are big barriers to continued investment, at least here in the US. With the current political environment, it might make more sense to invest in other places that are headed in the other direction (less taxes and more stability). The logical result of that is more outsourcing rather than less which means fewer jobs here and more hardship.

 

[Slowlane]

Maybe, but I bet he can spell "loser" and "liar". Hard to take an insult seriously when you do shit like that.

If all you can comment on is my hurried spelling, may I take it that you agree with the assent in general?

 

[The_Trouvere]

With the current political environment, it might make more sense to invest in other places that are headed in the other direction (less taxes and more stability). The logical result of that is more outsourcing rather than less which means fewer jobs here and more hardship.

Where are those places? Nearly all affluent democracies have higher taxes than we do.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/09/tea-party-taxes-opinions-columnists-bartlett.html

http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/publications/erp/page/9674/download/47574/9674_ERP.pdf

Most of them also have lower unemployment rates.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...ates&countryCode=us&regionCode=na&rank=110#us

 

[Sonny Limatina]

If all you can comment on is my hurried spelling, may I take it that you agree with the assent in general?

In a written medium, how is anyone to know whether the thought is any less hurried than the spelling?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Doubtful.

Got proof?

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=619131

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Long after he became President, someone dug up his notes from when he ran a radio program. His notes were long and detailed explanations of his positions on the issues of the day. Many of those same topics were the ones he faced as President. He'd done his homework and it was proved through his many position papers. I believe that these papers were published as a book, though I didn't track it close enough to go purchase the book.

With the ongoing liberal umbrage with his Presidency and the descriptions of him as an "amiable dunce", it was quite a revelation to find these detailed notes in his own handrwriting. It showed that he was thoroughly versed on the topics he faced and held firm positions based on extensive thought and research.

The facts are unequivocal, he led our nation out of the malaise of Carter and ushered in a period of tremendous economic growth and revitalized our "pride" in America. Along the way, he also put to bed the cold war. Compare that to Carter, or, for that matter, Obama and the sinking level of confidence that the nation has in his ability to lead.

When Reagan was President and I was a huge flaming Socialist Lib, I used to believe all that "stupid" stuff. Now that I'm older and I've read his works, I realize that "stupid" is the label liberals hurl at those whose clarity of thought are a clear and present danger to the dewey, unfocused altruism of the feel-good liberal and their pop-social agenda.

 

[WriterDom]

The best of both worlds. Like Clinton he'll elect a landslide of republicans, and like Jimmy, he'll be one and out.

Of course things can change by 2012, but as far as November goes, like Bear Bryant would say, "Hell, boy, the hay is already in the barn."

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

If the hay was put up wet and early, it can still catch on fire.




All Obama needs is 8% unemployment.

 

[RightField]

The best of both worlds. Like Clinton he'll elect a landslide of republicans, and like Jimmy, he'll be one and out.

Of course things can change by 2012, but as far as November goes, like Bear Bryant would say, "Hell, boy, the hay is already in the barn."

Welcome back for your short visit. Hope things are going well for you. Gotta love Bear Bryant quotes.

 

[RightField]

Well, that's the thing. So far, we've seen no sign they will. Other than "No!" they don't really have an agenda to run on. They haven't even said how they would address unemployment. So, if they do win . . . nothing productive is likely to get done.

"No" to these horrid policies is a good thing. Standing firm against the onslaught of idiocy is praiseworthy.

 

[koalabear]

Why are you insulting Carter!

 

[Wrong Element]

It will be interesting how this midterm campaign shapes the future, don't you think? If the dems hold both houses, they'll hold them with thin margins which means that the administration will have to work a little in the way of compromises to get things done. If they don't hold both houses, they'll have to be a lot more compromise. The current administration will have to pick it's priorities a lot more carefully. What do you think they'll try to focus on?

If the Democrats lose the House, which I am not sure will happen, I would expect Obama to focus on the parts of the job that don't require an involvement with Congress. There won't be any point to trying "compromise," since to the GOP compromise means doing things the same way they were done under Bush. If Boehner and co. never accepted the results of the 2008 election, why should Obama accept a bad result in 2010?

Hell, look what happened when Bush was repudiated in 2006, results that had a lot to do with anger over the war in Iraq: he sent more troops into Iraq. Not much compromise there, you may have noticed.

Interesting that the superficial, conventional wisdom-y column quoted in the OP mentioned Clinton and Carter as possible role models for Obama, but not the much better example: Reagan. Look at Reagan's approval ratings in 1982, and the state of the economy at the time, and then tell me that Obama is surely doomed if this election doesn't go his way.

 

[Loring2]

Ideology

It is psychologically interesting that so many of you liberals are filled with animosity andit hate. Why do so many of you resort to personal attacks? Is it the recognition that the modern liberal philosophical foundation is again showing itself to be a complete failure and that classical liberalism is ascendant again?

The left wing of the Democrat Party is precisely socialist in its workings. It does not allow for individual thought and relies completely on the Marxist philospophy which is strictly a caste system. The lowest caste is the proletariat or workers who are basically taught to spout the echoes of their leaders, Obama is at their head ... they are not allowed to think freely and there is no "Liberal Philosophy", it simply does not exist. They spout ideology and are properly called idealogues.

Classical liberalism can better be described as slightly to the right of center and our early governments were almost all Classic Liberal governments.

 

[phrodeau]

Do I have this straight? The surge in Iraq was a success because we were able to withdraw after three and a half years, but the stimulus was a failure because the economy wasn't fully restored in one and a half years? I just want to be clear on the distinction.

 

[RightField]

If the Democrats lose the House, which I am not sure will happen, I would expect Obama to focus on the parts of the job that don't require an involvement with Congress. There won't be any point to trying "compromise," since to the GOP compromise means doing things the same way they were done under Bush. If Boehner and co. never accepted the results of the 2008 election, why should Obama accept a bad result in 2010?

Hell, look what happened when Bush was repudiated in 2006, results that had a lot to do with anger over the war in Iraq: he sent more troops into Iraq. Not much compromise there, you may have noticed.

Interesting that the superficial, conventional wisdom-y column quoted in the OP mentioned Clinton and Carter as possible role models for Obama, but not the much better example: Reagan. Look at Reagan's approval ratings in 1982, and the state of the economy at the time, and then tell me that Obama is surely doomed if this election doesn't go his way.

Looking at 2006 is a good idea, we had full employment then, somewhere around 4.6%. The thing is, Reagan's economic policies had proven in the past to result in economic growth and we were all waiting for "Morning in America". In 2010, Obama's economic policies have been shown in the past to extend recessions and result in economic decline so we're all waiting for "Mourning in America"....mourning for the death of the American dream and the thought of America as an exceptional place based on the strength of the constition and the idea that political power is derived from the people (Obama and the libs say America is nothin' special).

The house "funds" the government so he has to pay attention to some degree. With control of the house, at least we can put brakes on the runaway spending.

 

[Midnight_Man]

He will forever be known as Carter The Dumber.

Yeah but just above George W.

 

[CNYCarol]

The Peanut King nearly bankrupted our country and his policies became a national embarrassment.

Yomama, is doing the same thing INTENTIONALLY!

 

[richard_daily]

Brians, smains, lets see Obama outperform Reagan this term. Then, get back to me!

He hasn't reached Reagan's unemployment, Reagan's deficit spending, Reagan's wealth disparity, or Reagan's partisanship...

So he's outperforming him so far.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

He hasn't reached Reagan's unemployment, Reagan's deficit spending, Reagan's wealth disparity, or Reagan's partisanship...

So he's outperforming him so far.

Numbers be damed Reagan was the greatest President evah!!!! They should recarve Mt.Rushmore into Mt. Reagan. Just him no other man has ever or will ever do as much as he did.

Did you know that when Ronald Reagan was born he paid the doctor's bill? Or that he lost his virginity before his father?

 

[Powertone]

Speaking of Carter they just rushed him to the hospital.

maybe he'll finally go away...

 

[koalabear]

Speaking of Carter they just rushed him to the hospital.

He was over-joyed at the latest poll showing he is no longer the worst President in history.