Why Islam is disrespected

[cjh]

You are the one parsing here. I've already conceded that there are some theologians that subscribe to the notion that specific words ARE from the lips of God through some instrument. Narratives of actions from the pen of third parties do NOT fall into that category. And the Bible is mostly narrative in nature, even the new testament. That is NOT the case with the Holy Qu'ran.

So while you nit pick the Bible you miss the entire point of the Holy Qu'ran and the beliefs behind it and in missing that mark by your unrelenting interest in displaying what little minutuea you do know, you miss the opportunity to understand the nature of the enemy we face.

I suspect you're a lawyer.

Ishmael

shit, there ain't nobody better than you in strutting minutiae around like some banty rooster.

as the link i provided points out, some christians subscribe to the notion that all of the words in the bible are the words of god. and i doubt that that 63% of america that believes the bible is literally true sits down and strains "narrative" from the bible. "martha, i think that verse is mere inspiration, but those over there are god's own words. i just know it." maybe they should hang out with more theologians.

and it's not just literal interpretation of the koran that makes the world a powder keg today. it's supposedly literal interpretation of the bible too. it's pat robertson's and some of the christian right's belief that armageddon is near that contributes to our belligerence in the middle east.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2717

 

[Ishmael]

An enemy which the USA created by their own actions.

Since the illegal invasion of Iraq and the current repressive occupation of that country, has terrorism been reduced in any way, Ishmael?

No, it hasn't. It's been multiplied in response.

That pic post just moved you to the top ten of my "ignorant cocksuker" list.

Fuck you you ignorant cunt. Off to ignore land your insipid ass goes.

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

An enemy which the USA created by their own actions.

Since the illegal invasion of Iraq and the current repressive occupation of that country, has terrorism been reduced in any way, Ishmael?

No, it hasn't. It's been multiplied in response.

Ah yes, the rest of the world is but a passive actor, able only to react to what the US does. We are the prime mover, the uncaused cause, the malign superman. The remainder of humanity simply mindless puppets.

Back on this planet, however, the anti-Americanism of the Mideast has been a project for any number of revolting regimes for decades, from the Stalinist USSR to the Third Reich (of which the Ba'athist Party was a bastard son).

 

[JammieDodger]

Lets be honest...

http://www.robert-fisk.com/5%2520The%2520nice%2520faints.jpg

This one has just gotten pretty pissed whilst dancing the night away to Iraq's newest sensation 'knowing me, knowing you, shiahaa" and is being told off by woman on the right in burkah (or ninja on the right, hard to tell!).

That, or she's dead...

I prefer my analysis.

 

[Gringao]

as the link i provided points out, some christians subscribe to the notion that all of the words in the bible are the words of god.

The word "some" can be used to 'prove' just about anything. "Some" Americans think the earth is flat, ergo all Americans think the earth is flat. Under no mainstream orthodoxy does the Christian religion believe that the words of either the Old or New Testament are directly-transcribed from God. None. Finding a small sect of 0.001% of Christendom does not refute this point.

OTOH, mainstream Islamic belief is that the Koran is the direct transcription of God's words.

 

[Ishmael]

shit, there ain't nobody better than you in strutting minutiae around like some banty rooster.

as the link i provided points out, some christians subscribe to the notion that all of the words in the bible are the words of god. and i doubt that that 63% of america that believes the bible is literally true sits down and strains "narrative" from the bible. "martha, i think that verse is mere inspiration, but those over there are god's own words. i just know it." maybe they should hang out with more theologians.

and it's not just literal interpretation of the koran that makes the world a powder keg today. it's supposedly literal interpretation of the bible too. it's pat robertson's and some of the christian right's belief that armageddon is near that contributes to our belligerence in the middle east.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2717

You persist in posting shit. OK. Post shit. What does that make you look like?

The subject is Islam you ignorant dick lick. Are you capable of discussing that subject with any semblence of intelligence whatsoever? If not, put me on ignore and go fuck off.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

The word "some" can be used to 'prove' just about anything. "Some" Americans think the earth is flat, ergo all Americans think the earth is flat. Under no mainstream orthodoxy does the Christian religion believe that the words of either the Old or New Testament are directly-transcribed from God. None. Finding a small sect of 0.001% of Christendom does not refute this point.

OTOH, mainstream Islamic belief is that the Koran is the direct transcription of God's words.

The point that the terminally ignorant just can't seem to be able to wrap their head around.

Ishmael

 

[cjh]

You persist in posting shit. OK. Post shit. What does that make you look like?

The subject is Islam you ignorant dick lick. Are you capable of discussing that subject with any semblence of intelligence whatsoever? If not, put me on ignore and go fuck off.

Ishmael

*chuckles

it's all relevant to the thread. sorry you can't contain it as you'd like. you'd like to argue that islam is unique in the terror it spawns and the threat it imposes. it may create that potential. but it's not unique in that regard.

 

[cjh]

The word "some" can be used to 'prove' just about anything. "Some" Americans think the earth is flat, ergo all Americans think the earth is flat. Under no mainstream orthodoxy does the Christian religion believe that the words of either the Old or New Testament are directly-transcribed from God. None. Finding a small sect of 0.001% of Christendom does not refute this point.

OTOH, mainstream Islamic belief is that the Koran is the direct transcription of God's words.

ok.

63%

better?

 

[Gringao]

ok.

63%

better?

There's a difference between saying it's "true" and saying it's the direct transcription of God's word. So no, no sale.

Oh, and there are some other salient differences as well.

 

[Ishmael]

*chuckles

it's all relevant to the thread. sorry you can't contain it as you'd like. you'd like to argue that islam is unique in the terror it spawns and the threat it imposes. it may create that potential. but it's not unique in that regard.

You are ignorant. You will always be ignorant until such time as you are willing to spend sometime doing something other than google up instances that in your own ignorant mind refute my assertions which in reality have done nothing more than reinforce them. That makes you ignorant. No knowledge will ever be gained when the point of reference is negativity.

Instead of taking my words at face value and doing your research based on that possibility you took an adversarial tack and coughed up two lame ass links that in the end supported my assertions.

It is also noted that you have done no (zero, none, nada) research regarding Islam. And that makes you less than a one-trick pony.

You're running on empty. Pull over and get some gas before you try to pull this lame shit again.

Ishmael

 

[cjh]

There's a difference between saying it's "true" and saying it's the direct transcription of God's word. So no, no sale.

not just "true."

literal.

inerrant.

 

[Ishmael]

There's a difference between saying it's "true" and saying it's the direct transcription of God's word. So no, no sale.

Terminal ignorance dude. This clown has never talked to any theologian of any stripe. It's all googled shit and even that shit doesn't support it's opinion. Smells more and more like LT everytime it posts.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

not just "true."

literal.

inerrant.

Can't read either can you?

Ignorant piece of shit.

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

not just "true." literal. inerrant.

The primary difference being that the Bible was written over centuries by many different people. Interpretation and application of the Bible is about as varied as one can imagine (what's the figure...36,000 sects in America alone?). The Koran is a book written by one man, in one area in one brief point in time. And it (along with the Hadith) is a comprehensive roadmap of how one is to behave...not just exhortations to live a virtuous life...but how to brush one's teeth, wipe one's ass and even how to sleep.

 

[cjh]

You are ignorant. You will always be ignorant until such time as you are willing to spend sometime doing something other than google up instances that in your own ignorant mind refute my assertions which in reality have done nothing more than reinforce them. That makes you ignorant. No knowledge will ever be gained when the point of reference is negativity.

Instead of taking my words at face value and doing your research based on that possibility you took an adversarial tack and coughed up two lame ass links that in the end supported my assertions.

It is also noted that you have done no (zero, none, nada) research regarding Islam. And that makes you less than a one-trick pony.

You're running on empty. Pull over and get some gas before you try to pull this lame shit again.

Ishmael

i've never refuted your statements regarding islam. i take them at face value. if anything, they highlight the problems created when you have two faith's literally subscribing to conflicting versions of god's words.

all i've done is point out that christianity, too, is ripe with the opportunity for such mischief.

and that you have not refuted.

 

[cjh]

The primary difference being that the Bible was written over centuries by many different people. Interpretation and application of the Bible is about as varied as one can imagine (what's the figure...36,000 sects in America alone?). The Koran is a book written by one man, in one area in one brief point in time. And it (along with the Hadith) is a comprehensive roadmap of how one is to behave...not just exhortations to live a virtuous life...but how to brush one's teeth, wipe one's ass and even how to sleep.

that's a difference you appreciate. that's a difference i appreciate. that's a difference a lot of people don't appreciate. "literal" and "inerrant" don't tolerate interpretation.

 

[Ishmael]

i've never refuted your statements regarding islam. i take them at face value. if anything, they highlight the problems created when you have two faith's literally subscribing to conflicting versions of god's words.

all i've done is point out that christianity, too, is ripe with the opportunity for such mischief.

and that you have not refuted.

How can I refute when I've already itemized how, and when, that mischief took place you ignorant piece of shit?

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

that's a difference you appreciate. that's a difference i appreciate. that's a difference a lot of people don't appreciate. "literal" and "inerrant" don't tolerate interpretation.

That's absurd. There are hundreds of Christian denominations within that 63% figure you cited that all have a different view of what the Bible is literally telling them.

 

[cjh]

That's absurd. There are hundreds of Christian denominations within that 63% figure you cited that all have a different view of what the Bible is literally telling them.

it's not my poll.

nor my responses.

i agree, though, it's absurd. that illustrates the whole absurdity of belief that the bible is inerrant. doesn't mean people don't believe that, though.

 

[cjh]

How can I refute when I've already itemized how, and when, that mischief took place you ignorant piece of shit?

Ishmael

the quickening ad hominem attacks tell me you're squirming. cause you and i both know it's a very ineffective form of argument.

do you dispute the notion that millinealists exert political pressure in the us?

or that many christians believe that the rapture and armageddon are near?

 

[Gringao]

it's not my poll.

nor my responses.

i agree, though, it's absurd. that illustrates the whole absurdity of belief that the bible is inerrant. doesn't mean people don't believe that, though.

It would appear that your assertion of monolithic belief is unraveling under the pressure of being overly-broad, along with the belief that we should have "good government" and "good education" while disagreeing on what those are exactly.

 

[cjh]

It would appear that your assertion of monolithic belief is unraveling under the pressure of being overly-broad, along with the belief that we should have "good government" and "good education" while disagreeing on what those are exactly.

how do you interpret the poll?

and what does "literal" mean? inspired?

 

[Gringao]

how do you interpret the poll? and what does "literal" mean? inspired?

Agreement that the Bible is the literal word of God is meaningless without agreement on what that literal meaning is. If there was monolithic harmony fo 63% of Christians on the literal and inerrancy of the Bible, 63% of Christians (minimum) would be in that particular denomination.

OTOH, I'd be willing to be that figure would be on the order of 98% of Muslims (the other 2% answering in fear, the punishment for apostasy being death).

 

[Morwen]

do you dispute the notion that millinealists exert political pressure in the us?

or that many christians believe that the rapture and armageddon are near?

What difference does it make what they believe? They can believe in John Travolta for all I care.

But show me where are the entire nations of Christian fundamentalists violently rioting every time an 'artist' pisses on a crucifix? For every one Christian wacko out there shooting abortion doctors, there's about ten thousand 'martyrs' ready to kill and die for Islam.

The article quoted in the first post is right. We are so used to such violent fanaticism from a certain segment of Moslems that we don't even question it. But the predictable counter-arguments of moral equivalency between contemporary Christian fundamentalism and today's Islamic extremism are absurd.

I don't support this war, but I'm not going to dirty that stance by automatically taking the side of murderous fanatics who believe in, basically, enslaving women, murdering gays and non-believers, and conquering the world.