Why Islam is disrespected

[huskie]

Look back some houndreds of years. Christians sloughtered more people than anyone else. Crusades, Witch-burning, Inquisition...

your right... hundreds of years ago... but we have evolved past that. I aint convinced that they have.

 

[cjh]

no prob.....I'll help ya out.

2 million dead in the Sudan over the past 10 years as a result of muslims ethnic cleansing.

*shrugs.

so? muslims of been on the receiving end of genocidal hatred, too: bosnia, kossovo, chechnya, kashmir, china, cambodia, palestine....

no one color or creed has a lock on that sort of evil.

 

[Rex1960]

your right... hundreds of years ago... but we have evolved past that. I aint convinced that they have.

Huskie, that's not the point. We killed native americans, indios, jews, muslims, buddhists.

Does Rwanda ring a bell ? As far as I know that genocide had nothing to do with religion but with trible conflicts. Lets not discuss the poor job UN under Annan did.

 

[cjh]

no prob.....I'll help ya out.

2 million dead in the Sudan over the past 10 years as a result of muslims ethnic cleansing.

i forgot, let's not forget lynchings in america.

http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/lynching.htm

the numbers aren't quite as staggering: 3 or 4 thousand between 1850 and 1950. but pretty astounding for a "civilized" and "god-fearing" society.

 

[huskie]

Huskie, that's not the point. We killed native americans, indios, jews, muslims, buddhists.

Does Rwanda ring a bell ? As far as I know that genocide had nothing to do with religion but with trible conflicts. Lets not discuss the poor job UN under Annan did.

I was just answering her point with mine.

and aint that some stupid shit (Rwanda)? Religious/tribal wars are all the same to me... stupid. And to think the UN WAS approached by that huge Mercenary Army in South Africa to put a stop to this and they were turned down??? Go fucking figure.........

 

[Rex1960]

I was just answering her point with mine.

and aint that some stupid shit (Rwanda)? Religious/tribal wars are all the same to me... stupid. And to think the UN WAS approached by that huge Mercenary Army in South Africa to put a stop to this and they were turned down??? Go fucking figure.........

you're right ... but it wasn't just the UN.

 

[huskie]

you're right ... but it wasn't just the UN.

you mean, we the USA should have stepped in?

 

[Rex1960]

you mean, we the USA should have stepped in?

Nope, I mean, we the world should have. The African Nations could have.
The christian churches did nothing.
Hell, the UN even rejected to call it a genocide, otherwise they would have had to make it a mission.

 

[dgnerate_gamblr]

But they do !

The God is the same God. Christians and Muslims and Jews follow the same God. They all just follow different prophets.

Rex just comparing the Koran's description of Allah and reading the Bible's description of God obviously there's a huge difference between the two.

Allah tells his followers to kill those that deny Islam.
God tells us to love our enemies.

Allah had no son.
God sent his Son Jesus to die for a sinful world.

Allah is unknowable, so exalted that he would never think of lowering himself to man on a personal level
God wants a personal relationship with man....the whole reason Jesus came to earth.


They sound diametrically opposed to each other.

 

[huskie]

Nope, I mean, we the world should have. The African Nations could have.
The christian churches did nothing.
Hell, the UN even rejected to call it a genocide, otherwise they would have had to make it a mission.

It reminded me of Somalia a bit..... Seems like no matter how much we did... they're still gonna kill each other when we're gone.

 

[Silvergirl]

no prob.....I'll help ya out.

2 million dead in the Sudan over the past 10 years as a result of muslims ethnic cleansing.

600,000 to 1 million children died directly due to the UK and USA sanctions imposed on Iraq for 12 years according to the WHO.That's just children.

100,000 Iraqi civilans have died due to invasion of Iraq by the UK and USA, according to the UN. That's since March 2003. Not a long time.

 

[huskie]

Rex just comparing the Koran's description of Allah and reading the Bible's description of God obviously there's a huge difference between the two.

Allah tells his followers to kill those that deny Islam.
God tells us to love our enemies.

Allah had no son.
God sent his Son Jesus to die for a sinful world.

Allah is unknowable, so exalted that he would never think of lowering himself to man on a personal level
God wants a personal relationship with man....the whole reason Jesus came to earth.


They sound diametrically opposed to each other.

still not two different gods.... just different views there Prophets take on god.

 

[dgnerate_gamblr]

It reminded me of Somalia a bit..... Seems like no matter how much we did... they're still gonna kill each other when we're gone.

Probably....but I do think the US should have at least tried. Instead, we were silent.

 

[huskie]

600,000 to 1 million children died directly due to the UK and USA sanctions imposed on Iraq for 12 years according to the WHO.That's just children.

I believe that is bull shit and it wasn't the UK and US it was the UN that placed those sanctions on Iraq

 

[huskie]

Probably....but I do think the US should have at least tried. Instead, we were silent.

ya.... I agree. Better yet, we should have out sourced it to those mercs down south of them! Dang, those guys are good!!

 

[Rex1960]

Rex just comparing the Koran's description of Allah and reading the Bible's description of God obviously there's a huge difference between the two.

Allah tells his followers to kill those that deny Islam.
God tells us to love our enemies.

Allah had no son.
God sent his Son Jesus to die for a sinful world.

Allah is unknowable, so exalted that he would never think of lowering himself to man on a personal level
God wants a personal relationship with man....the whole reason Jesus came to earth.


They sound diametrically opposed to each other.

The God I know from the Old Testament was a pretty rough God of War and Revenge, killing people who didn't follow his will like Sodom and Gomorrha (sp?) you may find that in Genesis 19.

And there's still a huge difference between the jewish view on Jesus, the son.

Lets not talk about things the roman catholic church made of Jesus' faith and belief. I could never find anything like the Saints in the bible or how it comes that catholics worship Mary even though they shouldn't worship any other God.

And lets not talk about the way Hindus and Buddhists believe. They outnumber us anyway.

So what makes you think the Bible is so unique and the only truth if that's what you're trying to say ?

 

[Rex1960]

It reminded me of Somalia a bit..... Seems like no matter how much we did... they're still gonna kill each other when we're gone.

You know what, huskie, sometimes it makes me think like "let them all kill each other". Nature doesn't care. This ball keeps spinning even if the entire human race goes down the drain.

 

[Rex1960]

600,000 to 1 million children died directly due to the UK and USA sanctions imposed on Iraq for 12 years according to the WHO.That's just children.

Yeah, and while his people were suffering Saddam built one palace after the other.

 

[huskie]

You know what, huskie, sometimes it makes me think like "let them all kill each other". Nature doesn't care. This ball keeps spinning even if the entire human race goes down the drain.

I truly believe that was the UN's thinking..... they new that these people have been killing each other like this for thousands of years and as much as I can't stand the UN I have to agree..... if we had gone in there and killed most of the bad guys... 5 or 10 years later it probably would have happened again, there! It's like it some kind of weird ass birth control of nature there?

 

[Silvergirl]

Yeah, and while his people were suffering Saddam built one palace after the other.

All of which turned out to be either empty or nearly so. He apparently had no real intention to live in most of them; they were like an employment scheme - lots of money used to employ lots of people for something which in the end is useless - bit like the Japanese love of concreting rivers and building roads that nobody uses.

I have heard an interesting explanation for those palaces that sort of explains why the Iraqi resistance has been so effective in their intelligence about American military movements. The palaces were bait for the expected invaders to use, and their walls filled with well hidden surveillance bugs.

Also while you're criticizing Saddam, don't forget to criticize those in the US government who supported Saddam Hussein in the first place, and sold him all those nasty WMD chemicals. It all comes back to the USA's door.

 

[dgnerate_gamblr]

So what makes you think the Bible is so unique and the only truth if that's what you're trying to say ?

IMHO, I look around and see its effect on men and nations past and present. It's the all-time bestseller, its' appeal to the heart and mind of a believer, it is revered and beloved by at least some in every nation, race or tribe to where it has gone be they rich or poor, king or commoner, wise or simple.

I dont think it would be inaccurate to say that millions of people past and present have found from their personal experience that its promises are true, its advice is sound, its warnings are wise and its message of salvation addresses the question of eternity.

I cant think of another book that has had the effect the Bible has on so many people for such a long period of time. From that standpoint, that's why I think it is unique.

 

[JammieDodger]

hmmm... I'd have to question this. From the readings I've done, Judism & Islam share a number of prophets. I'm no theologian, but that makes it sound like the same god just with different names due to langauge differences.

Something I need to research, partly by reading the Koran, is there is supose to be a section that basically says the followers of Islam are to do no harm to 'brothers of the book'. Well, if Jews, Christains, & Muslims all follow the same god and the some writing of the Old Testiment are shared between the three religions, to me that sounds like all three religions are 'brothers of the book'.

Linux it does actually specifically state that christians and jews believe in the same god as muslims in the qur'an, as you said, brothers of the book/people of the book or more specifically ahl al Kitâb.

Here is probably what you're looking for.

And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.(Qur'an 29:46)

The differences are obviously the prophets that they believe in, muslims believe Mohammad is the last prophet, as Jesus once stated there would be one more after him... and obviously I needn't go into what the jews think of Jesus and thus Mohammad... be interesting to find out if any of them who don't believe in Jesus do believe that Mohammad was the messiah... who knows! I doubt there are any of them about...

Muslims call Jesus, Isa... it is actually entirely possible that when Jesus was around his name was actually pronounced Isa (the i should be pronounced as an e). There is a group of muslims who have a slightly different view on events after jesus's "death" and actually believe they're descendents of him and one of the lost tribes of Israel.

I think we can safely say Allah is the same God as God... it is after all simply the same word in a different language.

 

[Veryknowing]

Bush was wrong theologically to say that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

No, for once he was perfectly correct and you prove yourself to be more of a moron than he is.

Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all share the same root origin with Abraham. They share the same God with only different interpretations of what that God has said, much of these differences in interpretation stem from cultural differences, other differences are due to language mistranslations such as what happened with the original New Testament which was in Greek and the use of words and cultural icons that were from Hebrew and misunderstood.

Not all sects of Christianity go by the belief that Jesus was the only son of God either. In some sects, Jesus is respected as a prophet, and putting him up on a pedestal as the only son of God is considered to be equivalent to worshipping another other than God and thereby going against the first of the ten commandments. In other Christian sects, Jesus IS God. The whole concept of the Trinity was invented by the Roman Catholic Church when trying to convert the Celtic peoples of Europe who believed in the sacred importance of the number 3.

 

[Veryknowing]

...its' appeal to the heart and mind of a believer, it is revered and beloved by at least some in every nation, race or tribe to where it has gone be they rich or poor, king or commoner, wise or simple.

I dont think it would be inaccurate to say that millions of people past and present have found from their personal experience that its promises are true, its advice is sound, its warnings are wise and its message of salvation addresses the question of eternity...
.

You could easily be describing the Quran from those comments above.

 

[kbate]

All of which turned out to be either empty or nearly so. He apparently had no real intention to live in most of them; they were like an employment scheme - lots of money used to employ lots of people for something which in the end is useless - bit like the Japanese love of concreting rivers and building roads that nobody uses..

I feel so much better about Saddam, knowing he was using billions to build palaces he never intended to use while (what was the number?) a million babies were starving to death.

He managed to find 700 million in US cash to hide for his escape too, I wonder how many babies that could have saved.

Perhaps the million babies were a lot like the WMD's he used to threaten the area with.. non-existant? Perhaps the 100,000 civilians killed include everyone not wearing a uniform when they die; including insurgents and baathist killers who wear no uniforms?