Why is the Loving Wives category called Loving WIVES and not Loving COUPLES? nt

[AG31]

I've been puzzled by the discussions here in AH about Loving Wives ever since I joined. I don't read stories there, just because my tastes are elsewhere, but I have lots of questions.
"Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more. [45.4k]"

I'm close to deciding that "loving" is assumed to be sarcastic??? If not, why have this alongside "Erotic Coupling?"

Why "wives" and not "couples?"

What's this about the assumption that there will be negative comments to any LW story? What kind of negative comments? From people who have a fixation on marital faithfulness? (If so, why are they reading this category?) I thought of this post in reaction to an oboservation in

but I did get comments (inbetween the usual LW backlash) that said the character was 'weak' and they werent exactly wrong

I went back to that story trying to figure out what "the usual LW backlash" consisted of. @TheRedChamber, could you give me the first two words of comments that you regard as "the usual LW backlash?"

Any enlightenment will be much appreciated.

 

[SimonDoom]

The focus of the category is on wives having sex outside of marriage. Hence the name. Loving coupled wouldn't capture this focus.

 

[AG31]

The focus of the category is on wives having sex outside of marriage. Hence the name. Loving coupled wouldn't capture this focus.

Interesting. It "feels" right to have such a category, without having a "loving husbands" one. It's one of those things that depends on stereotyping that's so deep we just can't ignore it.

 

[SimonDoom]

Over time this category has attracted a large pool of readers and authors who dislike stories in which extramarital sex is depicted in a positive way. They prefer stories where the cheating wife is caught and punished.

 

[StillStunned]

where the cheating wife is caught and published

You've been spending too much time here in the Hangout.

 

[SimonDoom]

Interesting. It "feels" right to have such a category, without having a "loving husbands" one. It's one of those things that depends on stereotyping that's so deep we just can't ignore it.

Right. Category labels don't have to make sense. They only have to work, in terms of assisting readers in finding stories they like.

There's no similarly popular kink about hot, cheating husbands.

 

[AG31]

There's no similarly popular kink about hot, cheating husbands.

"Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more. [45.4k]"
That's the description of the category. So if you wanted to write a story about a hot, swinging husband, do you defy the title and adhere to the description and put it in LW?

Logical inconsistencies make my brain hurt.

 

[NoTalentHack]

An in-depth explanation: https://www.literotica.com/s/loving-loving-wives


TL;DR:

LW was originally intended as a place for folks indulging in an infidelity kink, in particular a female infidelity kink. Historically, if the focus was more on the group sex aspect, for example, and some of the participants happened to be married women, it would probably do better in Group Sex. However, if the focus was instead on one of the characters being a married woman and how she was doing all these things a married woman shouldn't, it did better in Loving Wives.

Instead, it just became more crowded and, eventually, contentious. In the early days of the site, softer swinging and sharing stories, those with enthusiastic participation by both husband and wife, were the norm. "Cheating" stories--stories where the wife was unfaithful without the husband's approval--existed, but they stayed in the minority, and they often transitioned into a swapping or sharing structure, to make things "fair" between the couple. "Harmless" infidelity, the kind where everyone was eventually on board, was the order of the day.

One of the most compelling things, to me, about Loving Wives is how much it exists as a conversation with itself. Most of the "kink" sections of the site simply became "more" of what they were before. "Oh, anal sex isn't cutting it? How about pegging?" "BBC not doing it for you? How about a Black New World Order story, where a conspiracy exists to wipe out white men?" And, no, I'm not making that last one up. Go do a search for the "bnwo" tag."

In Loving Wives, however, the answer to, "Oh, so willingly sharing your wife isn't doing it for you anymore? How about being forced to share her?" was, at least in part, "No."

There are multiple groups that want the category to be vastly different things, and they can get at each other’s throats (and therefore the writers’ throats) pretty easily.

 

[AG31]

An in-depth explanation: https://www.literotica.com/s/loving-loving-wives


TL;DR:






There are multiple groups that want the category to be vastly different things, and they can get at each other’s throats (and therefore the writers’ throats) pretty easily.

Thanks! Helpful.

What does TL;DR: mean?

 

[TheRedChamber]

To give examples that were asked for...
Spoilers for the story...

Well that potential marriage wont last long.

Wow, is this ever the wrong ending. The only reason she didn't do more with the other guy was because his wife was mature enough to see the damage it had already caused. This guy is in for a world of pain.

Jeez, such a drag for a cuck story.

Just another of many sissy wimp cuck Brits. Are there any men left?

Really a cuck story hiding in plain sight.

And my personal favourite

Hannah had already fucked John in her mind, some time before she took him in her pussy. The actual fuck was fantastic, and in her mind she had already decided to keep fucking him, and making love to him, for as long as her wimp ass cuck would let her. Hannah has not fucked John again for only one reason, John's wife said no, so Hannah knows John won't agree to fuck her. Hannah will fuck John again in her pussy if she gets the opportunity. She will continue to fuck and make love to John in her mid, maybe for years. Her stupid cuck knows this.

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Their marriage will be Hannah's consolation prize, for agreeing to not fuck John again. Her husband knows he is her ready willing and able fuck, but not her romantic other-world galactic fuck; that was John, and still is in her mind. The stupid cuck will let her have a Lesbian experience, which will just deprecate their bond even more. Once the kids are raised and gone all bets are off. That's how the stupid cuck will live his marriage, always wondering who is putting the spark in Hannah's eyes. It was gone till he offered her the Lesbian fuck. It will be gone again once that event is over, until another spark lights Hannah's fires. I wonder how long it will take the stupid cuck to realize he's getting Hannah's mercy fucks, her obligation fucks, her wedding vows fucks. He will be getting what he decided to settle for in a wife, and he will deserve what Hannah's does to him.

 

[MillieDynamite]

All this discussion about cuckolded husbands, loving (cheating) wives, and what INCES think and want, and why not the loving (cheating) husband story too, and the willingly sharing vs bein forced to share, or the wife must be forced to fuck other, is making my head spin.

 

[StillStunned]

What does TL;DR: mean?

"Too long; didn't read."
It started as a sarcastic comment if you thought someone's post wasn't worth reading. Now people put it in their own posts as shorthand for "here's the short version" (an executive summary, if you will).

 

[SimonDoom]

"Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more. [45.4k]"
That's the description of the category. So if you wanted to write a story about a hot, swinging husband, do you defy the title and adhere to the description and put it in LW?

Logical inconsistencies make my brain hurt.

I'd probably put it in erotic couplings unless there's enough emphasis on the wife to warrant putting it in LW.

 

[MillieDynamite]

IUKIUK

Thanks! Helpful.

What does TL;DR: mean?

 

[NoTalentHack]

Thanks! Helpful.

What does TL;DR: mean?

Too long; didn’t read. A summary.

 

[AG31]

To give examples that were asked for...
Spoilers for the story...






And my personal favourite

Thanks for addressing my question!

 

[Small_Island]

I remember taking the posted description of Loving Wives at face value and being surprised when an early story I posted got hit by the LW/BTB tribesmen.
I still like the posted description, though I think Loving Spouses might be a move in the right direction.
On the other hand, I can see that LW still also seems like the best choice for cheating spouses with BTB outcomes - I mean, where else do they fit?
I just wish that as long as your description and tags are clear enough to let readers know what's coming, that people would just skip the stories they don't like instead of auto-1-bombing or negative comments just because you dared to pollute "their" LW category with a consensual sharing story - as in the category description.
Ah well...

 

[AG31]

IUKIUK

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What's with all the acronyms? It's as if society has decided to eliminate its older half.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It should read IUFUF, or If you know, you know. I'm sorry; I had an extra I in there.

From Urban Dictionary

What's with all the acronyms? It's as if society has decided to eliminate its older half.

 

[SimonDoom]

Logical inconsistencies make my brain hurt.

Literotica can be a challenge for one so inclined.

 

[BellaBestia]

Patriarchy. It always boils down to patriarchy

 

[SimonDoom]

When I read discussions of Literotica's categories, content rules, and practices I am reminded of Oliver Wendell Holmes's famous dictum that "The life of the law is not logic, but experience." Same with Literotica. It's an accretion of practices over 25 years in response to what they think readers want and what they want. Logic doesn't have much to do with it.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

It's an accretion of practices over 25 years in response to what they think readers want and what they want. Logic doesn't have much to do with it.

Or it's 25 years of laziness to not update the categories to suit the range of stories that are submitted and searched for.

 

[MillieDynamite]

You love poking Laurel and Manu, don't ya?

Or it's 25 years of laziness to not update the categories to suit the range of stories that are submitted and searched for.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

You love poking Laurel and Manu, don't ya?

If I did I would have tagged them.