Why is it. . . .?

[ponyboy45]

This is something that has always boggled my mind and would like to know how others feel about this. I have never understood why it is that guys especially find absolutely nothing wrong with 2 women having sex together, but at the same time, find it totally disgusting and repulsive that 2 guys would ever think of having sex together? I don't understand. Why the double standard? If 2 women can enjoy sex together, why can't 2 men? Why do some guys get so upset over the ideal of 2 guys having sex? Any thoughts?

 

[justchuckc]

Greetings Ponyboy,
Sorry I don't have the answer to your question, nor do I have the answer to who really shot JFK, the two questions that bother me the most. I do know that one of the biggest turn ons in my life was the time years ago when I was first married. My lady knew I was Bi, we just never disscussed it and I kept my cock sucking sort of unreported to her. One day she expressed interest in watching me and Bobbie, a really handsome boyish friend in my unit, do to each other what two young Bi guys do. So one night I sprang the idea on him and he was as thrilled as I.
As I kneeled between his legs with his feet over my shoulders, I gave him the best blow job I could. The fact that my wife was watching was too much for me and I came without touching my cock{could accomplish that when you're just 22 years old,remember?}while Bobbie's smooth cock slid across my lips.
She never touched either one of us, never spoke a word while she discreetly fingered her clit through the opening of her slacks.
Bobbie wanted me in his ass and I was building back up to the challenge but my wife just smiled and said "have fun you guys" and left the room! Later I discovered that it was not nearly as exciting for her watching us as it was for us being watched.
In turn though when I told her of my desire to watch her and another woman, she wrinkled her nose and said something about the temperature and hell freezing over.
No more exhibitionist episodes for us in our 28 years of marriage, and it has been some time since I last held another mans cock.
Sorry Ponyboy, you just asked a question and I gave you my old memories instead of an answer; I guess because maybe there is no correct answer, unless someone else wishes to take a poke at it.

 

[mystic_maiden32]

dunno! We had the conversation at a friends house last night-men in the military are caught together it's a huge scandal-two women caught-they look the other way.....I guess the world will never know.

 

[short_circutz]

This is something that has always boggled my mind and would like to know how others feel about this. I have never understood why it is that guys especially find absolutely nothing wrong with 2 women having sex together, but at the same time, find it totally disgusting and repulsive that 2 guys would ever think of having sex together? I don't understand. Why the double standard? If 2 women can enjoy sex together, why can't 2 men? Why do some guys get so upset over the ideal of 2 guys having sex? Any thoughts?

I have asked and pondered the exact same question many times. While I'm a straighht guy, I have always treated guys and gals alike, whether they are straight, bi, gay, lesbian (I don't personally know nor have met any transexuals, but it would be the same with them). It's not always a choice as to your orientation, sometimes it is. Different strokes (ans licks,lol) for different folks.

The public stigma of two guys together being unacceptable, but acceptable for two women has always puzzled me too.

It might have to do with the stereotype that guys shouldn't show their feelings, and women normally allow their emotions and feelings to show, and therefore would be considered more likely to feel it more "permissive" for women to show their affection for another person of the same sex.

Shortz

 

[emap]

I think it has more to do with, guys get alot of pleasure from their dicks, which is an external thing, so putting something in them is a very foreign concept to most. It's also not someplace I would think of putting something, considering what comes out. So you've got something of a two prong attack going against gay men.

Also has something to with lesbians are interested in the same thing as a straight guy, women. I've also heard, guys are interested in watching two women because they can maybe learn something, I don't really buy that one having shown several guys the right places to lick me at, and still not gotten a good licking.

I think it's more of a yeah watch the two women enjoy each other, they'd be screaming more if I was doing em kinda thing. Guys don't get that sort of reaction watching two guys, because they are thinking of where the sex takes place at, so alot are grossed out, and alot are thinking man he looks to be enjoying that, oh I can't think that it's a sin so react strongly against.

Personally I like watching guys suck each other, but find the sex revolting. Of course if it's a video of two guys sucking each other they always end up going to sex so don't watch the videos, but the pictures are nice.

 

[Harrowborg]

I might be in the minority but I really don't see that there is a big problem or deal about 2 guys being together or showing affection in comparison to two females. It may be partly due to where I work which, to be fair, is slightly...cosmopolitan and seeing couples, straight or same sex is not uncommon but no, as long as they are not rampantly having sex in front of me etc then no, theres nothing wrong. Being bi myself, I do like the odd nice looking hunk but there you go lol.

 

[justchuckc]

You gooo emap.
The first line in your statement is on the mark! I wished I'd of said it! I'd also like to add that a lot of men "think" with their dicks as well as deriving the pleasure thing.

 

[ponyboy45]

My thoughts on this

Thanks folks for all of the interesting replies thus far. I would tend to agree that most guys (if not all) enjoy masterbating or having their cocks sucked. It is very pleasureable and stimulating to say the least. However, the thought of a cock entering their ass seems to scare the hell out of them. Although, and here we go again, these same guys would probably see nothing wrong with a women taking it in the ass. Go figure.

As a sidenote may I say that in my 20 years of military experience I found that for a guy to have to act straight and boast about all the girls he has been with and the things that he does with them and to them is more of a macho thing than anything else. Usually when I hear that type of talk I just laugh. Momma alsways said that people that have to brag about what they can do in bed are usually lame fucks (not exactly in those words). Anyway in some cases, even if a guy may be slightly interested in another guy I think it becomes more of a pride or a male macho thing not to show it. Not to mention the fear factor of his buds finding out about it. Females on the other hand are naturally affectionate I think and have to problems showing their feelings and emotions openly for a guy or another girl. Hey, some guys had real problems in Europe seeing 2 men greet each other with a kiss on the cheek. Totally rediculous to me, but anyway. . .

Here is a news flash for you though folks. NOT ALL GUYS WHO CLAIM TO BE STRAIGHT ARROWS ARE AS STRAIGHT AS THEY SAY. Trust me on this one. Being macho in front of one's buddies is one thing but when given the chance I have personally known some "straight" guys who have had their cocks sucked by other guys. Some will just masturbate with other guys and hold on gang, I have even known some that will fuck another guy in the ass and enjoy it although at the same time say that they would never let another guy do that to them. Interesting, eh? It is also interesting to note that not all guys who go to the gym go there just to work out. They go there for the same reasons that I as a gay guy go there-- to check out the beautiful male bods -- both half clothed and naked in the showers. Don't let the "straight" boys fool you. They also like checking out the size of other guy's cocks and some will even take more than a casual glance at another guy's ass. On board ship with just hundreds of guys, there was action going on in some of the engine spaces and store rooms. There were guys who also laid around berthing in nothing more than their underwear and some that had no problem walking from berthing to the showers totally nude or laying in their racks or sleeping totally nude. Do you think they wanted other guys to notice their naked bodies? Maybe. . . I even knew a few guys that went to a gay theater and found the movies to be "interesting." Really??

I think the bottom line here is that most guys are either too macho, too proud, afraid, or a combination of all these to let their true emotions show. Remember my post about the YMCA? The YMCA seemed to be a safe haven for guys like myself who WANTED to be with other guys for sex. There were even some guys who got hotel rooms together for the same reasons. I even knew a few guys in the barracks that enjoyed being nude together and having sex together. To me personally, none of this is a big deal. I believe that 2 guys should have just as much freedom to enjoy themselves sexually as do 2 females. Why there is so much pressure on guys to be straight is beyond me. Probably another question to ask here is why isn't the same pressures put on bi guys as it is gay guys. Silly me, perhaps it is because there are girls involved in the picture. Very interesting. . .

 

[ponyboy45]

My thoughts on this

Thanks folks for all of the interesting replies thus far. I would tend to agree that most guys (if not all) enjoy masterbating or having their cocks sucksed. It is very pleasureable and stimulating to say the least. However, the thought of a cock entering their ass seems to scare the hell out of them. Although, and here we go again, these same guys would probably see nothing wrong with a women taking it in the ass. Go figure.

As a sidenote may I say that in my 20 years of military experience I found that for a guy to have to act straight and boast about all the girls he has been with and the things that he does with them and to them is more of a macho thing than anything else. Usually when I hear that type of talk I just laugh. Momma alsways said that people that have to brag about what they can do in bed are usually lame fucks (not exactly in those words). Anyway in some cases, even if a guy may be slightly interested in another guy I think it becomes more of a pride or a male macho thing not to show it. Not to mention the fear factor of his buds finding out about it. Femals on the other hand are naturally affectionate I think and have to problems showing their feelings and emotions openly for a guy or another girl. Hey, some guys had real problems in Europe seeing 2 men greet each other with a kiss on the cheek. Totally rediculous to me, but anyway. . .

Here is a news flash for you though folks. NOT ALL GUYS WHO CLAIM TO BE STRAIGHT ARROWS ARE AS STRAIGHT AS THEY SAY. Trust me on this one. Being macho in front of one's buddies is one thing but when given the chance I have personally known some "straight" guys who have had their cocks sucked by other guys. Some will just masturbate with other guys and hold on gang, I have even known some that will fuck another guy in the ass and enjoy it although at the same time say that they would never let another guy do that to them. Interesting, eh? It is also interesting to note that not all guys who go to the gym go there just to work out. They go there for the same reasons that I as a gay guy go there-- to check out the beautiful male bods -- both half clothed and naked in the showers. Don't let the "straight" boys fool you. They also like checking out the size of other guy's cocks and some will even take more than a casual glance at another guy's ass. On board ship with just hundreds of guys, there was action going on in some of the engine spaces and store rooms. There were guys who also laid around berthing in nothing more than their underwear and some that had no problem walking from berthing to the showers totally nude or laying in their racks or sleeping totally nude. Do you think they wanted other guys to notice their naked bodies? Maybe. . . I even knew a few guys that went to a gay theater and found the movies to be "interesting." Really??

I think the bottom line here is that most guys are either too macho, too proud, afraid, or a combination of all these to let their true emotions show. Remember my post about the YMCA? The YMCA seemed to be a safe haven for guys like myself who WANTED to be with other guys for sex. There were even some guys who got hotel rooms together for the same reasons. How do I know? Because I even knew a few guys in the barracks that enjoyed being nude together and having sex together. To me personally, none of this is a big deal. I believe that 2 guys should have just as much freedom to enjoy themselves sexually as do 2 females. Why there is so much pressure on guys to be straight is beyond me. Probably another question to ask here is why isn't the same pressures put on bi guys as it is gay guys. Silly me, perhaps it is because there are girls involved in a bi guy's life. Very interesting. . .

OOPS!! My computer was acting up so this posted twice. Sorry!

 

[Flight420]

IMHO, those prone to react with repulsion and/or violence are doing so because society, in general, teaches that this is how they should be reacting. Prior to coming out there were many times that I would say the "appropriate" things when running around with my buddies and the subject of "'dem fags" would come up in a conversation.

Funny now that I look back on it (I was 20 then, 42 now) why were a group of guys running around talking about gay guys and stating to anyone within earshot how not gay we were? HOW GAY IS THAT!??!!!

 

[Flight420]

IMHO, those prone to react with repulsion and/or violence are doing so because society, in general, teaches that this is how they should be reacting. Prior to coming out there were many times that I would say the "appropriate" things when running around with my buddies and the subject of "'dem fags" would come up in a conversation.

Funny now that I look back on it (I was 20 then, 42 now) why were a group of guys running around talking about gay guys and stating to anyone within earshot how not gay we were? HOW GAY IS THAT!??!!!

 

[justchuckc]

why is it?

IMHO, those prone to react with repulsion and/or violence are doing so because society, in general, teaches that this is how they should be reacting. Prior to coming out there were many times that I would say the "appropriate" things when running around with my buddies and the subject of "'dem fags" would come up in a conversation.

Funny now that I look back on it (I was 20 then, 42 now) why were a group of guys running around talking about gay guys and stating to anyone within earshot how not gay we were? HOW GAY IS THAT!??!!!

Along the same lines ponyboy, ever wonder why these so-called-strait-dudes will go out and rent a mainstream-hetro-porno movie and GET-OFF watching SOMEBODY ELSE'S cock penetrate a woman. In my theory/belief; 99% of men are at the least , bi-sexual, and here is why i feel this way: Go to an adult book store where the DVD's/Tapes are shelved by category. You will see very few men in the section
"LESBIAN TITLES ONLY".You may happen upon some (sexually honest) women browsing the titles, but these so called "STRAIT" men are in the section renting films so they can see anothers cock doing the things cocks do. My wife asked me once"why do ya get turned on watching SOMEBODY ELSE'S cock fuck Jenna Jameson? And she was correct, if I were completly hetro, I'd not want to see anothers cock inside Jenna, just mine. I have trouble explaining myself at times and I apologize. If I ever post again I'll do so prior to the gin & tonics and a "1-ZIG-ZAG-rolled-one" so as someone besides myself and the clerk at the head shop understands what I'm getting at! Nice Post and topic though. I'm off to the easier side of this group:reading other's posts. G'night

 

[John Doe]

justcguckc raised a very interesting point. Like many double standards, it goes both ways (pun intended).