Why and how is abortion a state's rights issue?


Pithy response with a look-at-me ego trip to what essentially amounts to a grievance porn thread.


Yes, I know that. Apparently someone thinks it’s a “states rights” issue. Probably a straw man.

It's insane that after decades of screaming states rights, you all are backpedaling as fast as you can. This is why you are a liar and why nothing you can say can be taken seriously. You have no integrity.
 
^^ Someone is hysterical.

(And that someone likes to delete posts to play weird games. Sick mind, sick individual.)
 
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Probably those she specifically asked for a response from. Of course, there has never been a single person in other discussions here on the topic, who have referred abortion as a state's right to decide upon. Good that you point that out. Thanks.
Pithy response with a look-at-me ego trip to what essentially amounts to a grievance porn thread.




It's insane that after decades of screaming states rights, you all are backpedaling as fast as you can. This is why you are a liar and why nothing you can say can be taken seriously. You have no integrity.
Backpedaling from what? I never said abortion was a “states rights issue.” As a result of Dobbs, abortion regulations are now set by state legislatures. Nothing says Congress can’t pass regulations that supersede state laws. At this point in time, that hasn’t happened. Your anger is clouding your ability to read the majority opinion and think clearly.
 
Backpedaling from what? I never said abortion was a “states rights issue.” As a result of Dobbs, abortion regulations are now set by state legislatures. Nothing says Congress can’t pass regulations that supersede state laws. At this point in time, that hasn’t happened. Your anger is clouding your ability to read the majority opinion and think clearly.
Then why do you feel the need to reply to a question about those who do?
 
Imagine being this histrionic before coffee. The lil fella will wear hisself out soon enough.

They don't function in reality, see the tripe boomer posted above. It's like they want to try to erase decades of their propaganda as the dog finally caught the car.
 
Then why do you feel the need to reply to a question about those who do?
We’ve established that SCOTUS is not among “those who do.” I’ll leave it to you and Angrina to argue with whoever it is that made the assertion.
 
We’ve established that SCOTUS is not among “those who do.” I’ll leave it to you and Angrina to argue with whoever it is that made the assertion.
Yes, you've interjected your horseshit that nobody asked about. Thanks for confirming.
 
You either misspoke or don't know what you're saying. SCOTUS swept no state or local laws away. What they did was sweep away the right of a citizen of the United States to an abortion on the federal level. They did exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
Again, perplexed at your argument. What I said:
"In the Roe decision, SCOTUS swept away all state and local laws restricting abortion. There was no federal law, just state laws. With Roe overturned, the 'old laws' are back on the books."

In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS said there is a constitutional right to privacy. that means that abortions are allowed as a matter of individual privacy. The Roe v Wade decision swept away all state and local laws restricting abortion on this basis. The recent rulings, Dobbs, overturned Roe v Wade, so now the 'old laws' from the states are back in effect. This is hardly controversial.
 
Again, perplexed at your argument. What I said:
"In the Roe decision, SCOTUS swept away all state and local laws restricting abortion. There was no federal law, just state laws. With Roe overturned, the 'old laws' are back on the books."

In Roe v Wade, SCOTUS said there is a constitutional right to privacy. that means that abortions are allowed as a matter of individual privacy. The Roe v Wade decision swept away all state and local laws restricting abortion on this basis. The recent rulings, Dobbs, overturned Roe v Wade, so now the 'old laws' from the states are back in effect. This is hardly controversial.

You are correct, I misread your statement as saying this SCOTUS swept away the state laws.

And again, there are no laws affirming QI or corporations as people, yet SCOTUS put those in play.

And now, the very same people who screamed states rights are pushing for federal bans.

It would be nice if the anti-abortion folks would just say "we don't like abortion for anyone and want to ban it completely" instead of all this mealy mouthed pussy footing with legalese bullshit that essentially works to create a patchwork of discrimination while enabling fetal slavery.
 
It's not up to me to make your case for you.

There is no connection, the cases are unrelated. States get to regulate things the feds don't because the 10th amendment of the Constitution, the highest law of the land, very explicitly and directly says so.
What's overlooked in most lit arguments is that prior to R vs W the historical precedent when it came to constitutional law, was, abortion with or without restrictions and under common law practice reserved the authority to the states on decisions regarding abortion. Most states before Roe considered abortion illegal and a few included restrictions basing their decisions on past common law precedent. In 1973 the high court acted unconstitutionally by stripping the states of that authority.
 
Have you checked your other thread lately?

I'm a bit tired. Long day. Which idiocy am I supposed to check on?

As for the being correct remark, I admit I misread what he said so I said so. Doesn't mean I agree with his conclusions or that I believe he is correct. The anti-abortion movement has used one ploy after the next, engaging in outright deception and using heavy handed hyperbole to achieve their goal: banning abortion. Legal consistencies and constitutionality be damned. That's all they care about.
 
The one you just posed right below ... Lindsay.

I posted about the further (and rather standard) republican hypocrisy with Graham's introduction of federal legislation on a so called sacrosanct state's rights issue. We all know he's trying to do some kind of damage control, and god he looks absolutely exhausted in that "press conference", but the message he's trying to send is not the message that is being received.

Additionally his comparisons with Europe et al are deeply flawed as not only is abortion covered under their insurance systems, but the decisions on abortions performed later in pregnancy are made by the doctors. Not by bureaucrats.

It's almost like, wait for it, he doesn't know what he's talking about and is lying. Shocking I know.
 
Who are you trying to convince of what?

About half of voting americans don’t much like the idea of abortion, the other half think free baby killing is a “right”.

It’s hardly a new issue.
1. Abortion doesnt involve babies.
2. Depending on when the abortion occurs, that number supporting it is much higher

If you don't even understand the procedure, it's not a wonder why you fail at discussing it
 
Sen Graham apparently doesn't believe it's up to the states.
 
Sen Graham apparently doesn't believe it's up to the states.
Absolutely astonishing how many Republican senators, after years of piously lecturin' us about how abortion is a state right, now support Graham's 15 week nationwide ban on abortion. The epitome of talking out of both sides of your mouth.
 
Sen Graham apparently doesn't believe it's up to the states.
Not that I agree with Graham but the issue could go before both houses and voted into a federal law, I’m sure Biden would sign the bill.
 
Sen Graham apparently doesn't believe it's up to the states.
He said it WAS up to the states...right after the Supreme Court overturned Roe. That was the refrain..."States Rights! No Federal Mandate!"

But now...apparently, he (and the rest of the party) have changed his mind. Now, just two months later, suddenly, it's "More government! More Government! Bring on the Feds!!"

The problem is, he and his cronies lied to us, and it was a very transparent lie. And yet, somehow, all those "States Rights, support 'freedom'" people are now singing the same "Bring on the Feds! More Government!" mantra- it's mindblowing, the blatant hypocrisy at work here.

Repression and control...that's all it was ever about. Abortion, "Saving babies..." - just a smoke screen. They want to control your bodies, take away your freedoms, just like the communists you all claim to despise so much.
 
He said it WAS up to the states...right after the Supreme Court overturned Roe. That was the refrain..."States Rights! No Federal Mandate!"

But now...apparently, he (and the rest of the party) have changed his mind. Now, just two months later, suddenly, it's "More government! More Government! Bring on the Feds!!"

The problem is, he and his cronies lied to us, and it was a very transparent lie. And yet, somehow, all those "States Rights, support 'freedom'" people are now singing the same "Bring on the Feds! More Government!" mantra- it's mindblowing, the blatant hypocrisy at work here.
No hypocrisy, no post-Dobbs change of mind on state vs national authority to regulate abortion. At least not in the last few years. This is third time he’s introduced national legislation restricting when abortions can be performed. He introduced his last bill, which called for a 20 week ban, in January, 2021. A year and a half before the Dobbs decision. He introdiced first bill before that. This bill, like the two he‘s introduced in the past, has no chance of passing the Senate. Other than shortening the window from 20 weeks to 15 weeks, Graham’s bill is not inconsistent with his previous attempts in recent years. It won’t pass because this is an issue best left to the states and that’s exactly what’s already happening.
 
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