Why and how is abortion a state's rights issue?

[AsmodeusPrime]

I didn't say abortion was or was not a 10th amendment issue. I said it doesn't answer her questions.


The other issues should also be 10th amendment questions based on your own responses and yet they aren't and that's the fuckong problem. If you actually are able to read, you'd get it....but you rely on cliff notes versions of shit and refuse to acknowledge her very basic points and then claim victory.

You didn't win any argument here....you just made yourself a fool right off the bat.

Yes, and you were wrong, it does answer her question about why abortion is a state issue.

I get that you think that, but you're wrong. That's not the problem, that's your problem. You can't connect Citizens United or the CI case to abortion being a state right. They have nothing to do with it because they are 1A and 4A cases, abortion being regulated by the states is a 10A issue, Citizens united and CI are totally unrelated and have nothing to do with abortion being a state issue. They are just fluff at best and random strawmen at worst.

I get that you have a hard time understanding the OP and thread topic, but that doesn't make me a fool.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

They are connected.

You're just a moron.

No, they aren't, that's why neither you nor anyone else can connect them.

Abortion being a states issue has nothing to do with citizens united a 1A case or qualified immunity violating 4A. You're wrong, and no amount of ad hominin will change that for you.

 

[Dribble]

I found this site less than a day ago, take your meds.

Why lie? Everyone knows. It is the use of simple key words in very particular ways that gives your identity away. A real man...has no reason to lie

 

[ll74]

Yes, and you were wrong, it does answer her question about why abortion is a state issue.

I get that you think that, but you're wrong. That's not the problem, that's your problem. You can't connect Citizens United or the CI case to abortion being a state right. They have nothing to do with it because they are 1A and 4A cases, abortion being regulated by the states is a 10A issue, Citizens united and CI are totally unrelated and have nothing to do with abortion being a state issue. They are just fluff at best and random strawmen at worst.

I get that you have a hard time understanding the OP and thread topic, but that doesn't make me a fool.

The main and obvious glaring issue with your comments are that you admit you haven't even researched the other cases beyond a Wikipedia search. And somehow you believe THAT invesent of time gives you adequate standing to just dismiss them.

And then you have the fucking gall to call the OP out for her stance, which is easily superior in understanding of the topic...of your OWN FUCKING admission. Seriously
...fuck off

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

You don't seem to understand the concept. It's not my case that needs being made. It's the case for state's rights for abortion that needs to be made. It's not been. You have failed. Just like those before you who have come on and blustered about what amounts to essentially talking points.

I'm asking why and how is abortion a state's rights issue, especially given other relevant parts of US and state law. It's not been answered.

That case is made explicitly by the letter of the law, explicitly in 10A.

And your question is answered again, because 10A says it's a state's rights issue. Without federal regulations or amendments to protect abortion from state regulation, 10A grants states the right to regulate. That's what makes abortion a state issue.

The laws (cases actually) you cited have nothing to do with states rights.

 

[ll74]

No, they aren't, that's why neither you nor anyone else can connect them.

Abortion being a states issue has nothing to do with citizens united a 1A case or qualified immunity violating 4A. You're wrong, and no amount of ad hominin will change that for you.

Your Wikipedia research is superior.....obviously

I swear to God you're literally wasting time so you can actually Google to learn more

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

Why lie? Everyone knows. It is the use of simple key words in very particular ways that gives your identity away. A real man...has no reason to lie

Did you take your meds yet?

I'm not a man LOL good job you paranoid lunatic.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

Your Wikipedia research is superior.....obviously

I swear to God you're literally wasting time so you can actually Google to learn more

More deflection.

I swear to God, you could literally just say what citizens united or qualified immunity have to do with states rights and abortion, but you can't can you??

Yea, they aren't related. Abortion is a state issue because 10A says so. The end, OP's question answered.

You're the one wasting time.

 

[adrina]

That case is made explicitly by the letter of the law, explicitly in 10A.

And your question is answered again, because 10A says it's a state's rights issue. Without federal regulations or amendments to protect abortion from state regulation, 10A grants states the right to regulate. That's what makes abortion a state issue.

The laws (cases actually) you cited have nothing to do with states rights.

No it's not. And further it is in direct conflict with other portions of the constitution.

You've demonstrated nothing as to why abortion is a state's rights issue.

 

[ll74]

More deflection.

I swear to God, you could literally just say what citizens united or qualified immunity have to do with states rights and abortion, but you can't can you??

You're the one wasting time.

Fuck off dude. I've already argued why they are relevant...I even used your own statements in the process....and you "argued" - "based on my Wikipedia....."

Good luck on your Google searches.

 

[Dribble]

Did you take your meds yet?

I'm not a man LOL good job you paranoid lunatic.

Lol...so this go round you are back to being female? Well you've done that before.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

Lol...so this go round you are back to being female? Well you've done that before.

You're absolutely off your rocker.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

Fuck off dude. I've already argued why they are relevant...I even used your own statements in the process....and you "argued" - "based on my Wikipedia....."

Good luck on your Google searches.

No, you didn't, you just made the insane claimed that a 1A and 4A case have something to do with states rights.

Yea, wiki really shit on the whole CU and QI having anything to do with 10A real fast.

I don't need luck, I'm right and already verified it.

Enjoy standing there saying "NUH UHHH!!! I WIN!!! *insert generic name calling or other ad hom* " and stamping your feet extra hard.

10A answers OP direct and explicitly, you and her want to pretend otherwise, rock on, I'm done with this thread.

 

[ll74]

No, you didn't, you just made the insane claimed that a 1A and 4A case have something to do with states rights.

Yea, wiki really shit on the whole CU and QI having anything to do with 10A real fast.

I don't need luck, I'm right and already verified it.

Enjoy standing there saying "NUH UHHH!!! I WIN!!! *insert generic name calling or other ad hom* " and stamping your feet extra hard.

10A answers OP direct and explicitly, you and her want to pretend otherwise, rock on, I'm done with this thread.

Right, you continue to demonstrate that you don't understand the OP nor anything about the cases she references.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[Dribble]

You're absolutely off your rocker.

You used to be much harder to identify quickly. You used to be much more entertaining. You used to be able to have a half way intelligent discussion. What happened? Why the laziness Asmodeus? I expect better from a deamon. Especially a female one. Lol

 

[adrina]

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/13/lindsey-graham-national-abortion-restrictions-bill

Graham has previously introduced bills that sought to ban abortions nationally from 20 weeks. But the new measure is expected to call for a ban from 15 weeks, per the Washington Post. Representatives for Graham did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment on the matter.

It's such a state's right issue that the Republicans are moving to work towards national bans.

So let's talk about legal and logical consistency again.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Can someone cite where in the 213 page Dobbs decision that abortion is declared a “states rights” issue?

“The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives.”

The implication of this key sentence in the majority opinion is that the authority to regulate abortion belongs with “elected representatives“ (ie. legislatures) rather than judges. While it certainly returns authority to state legislatures, I don’t see anything in the decision prohibiting Congress from passing federal regulations that supersede state laws. Indeed, proposals to guarantee abortion rights at the national level as well as proposals to restrict or ban it at the national level are already bouncing around the halls of Congress.

 

[ll74]

Can someone cite where in the 213 page Dobbs decision that abortion is declared a “states rights” issue?

“The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives.”

The implication of this key sentence in the majority opinion is that the authority to regulate abortion belongs with “elected representatives“ (ie. legislatures) rather than judges. While it certainly returns authority to state legislatures, I don’t see anything in the decision prohibiting Congress from passing federal regulations that supersede state laws. Indeed, proposals to guarantee abortion rights at the national level as well as proposals to restrict or ban it at the national level are already bouncing around the halls of Congress.

The OP didn't mention the decision

 

[adrina]

Yup. There it is.

The anti abortion movement is nothing except a hysterical reaction. There is no basis in health, safety or rights. Just a hysterical need for control.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Look in the mirror:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/live-by-the-courts-die-by-the-courts.1574097/#post-95756808

This is why it's a state issue.

 

[La_Fina]

That's the argument. That it's a state's rights issue.

Why? How? What makes it that way?

Justify this logic please.

Because the anti-women's rights groups saw how well that strategy worked for gay marriage and they're copying the playbook.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Something I should know?

About women? We don't have the time, willow.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Yes, I know that. Apparently someone thinks it’s a “states rights” issue. Probably a straw man.

The OP didn't mention the decision

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Because the anti-women's rights groups saw how well that strategy worked for gay marriage and they're copying the playbook.

Fortunately it’s not an argument SCOTUS made.

 

[ll74]

Yes, I know that. Apparently someone thinks it’s a “states rights” issue. Probably a straw man.

Probably those she specifically asked for a response from. Of course, there has never been a single person in other discussions here on the topic, who have referred abortion as a state's right to decide upon. Good that you point that out. Thanks.