What makes a POPULAR Loving Wives story?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Good luck with that. The main thing to remember is that the husband does not run the wife over with his car at the end. While some commenters like the stories where the wife and her lover(s) are left in a vegetative state at the end, there will be quite a few haters.

The trick is to get revenge without being physical about it.



Cuckolding is essentially a Fetish, and there is a category by that name. So why not put it there? That said, I do agree that the LW sharks have no business blasting your story. If I read it, I'd very politely point you to the correct category rather than spew undeserved vitriol all over your comment board.

Naaah sex tween husband and wife is the real fetish these days.

 

[D_Lynn]

I've got just the story and am itching to pull the 'submit' trigger soon. Now where was that flame-proof suit...

Funny you said that ... TxRad offered me his shark suit. I should've taken it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

C'mon! You people are sissies! The LW whackos are harmless. Its your LIT friends who stab you in the back.

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

I posted in this category for the first time this year. I read the top stories and also read the stories that were posted by authors I already liked (TxTallTales, TxRad, DGHear, for example).

After I posted, got one-bombed within seconds, and then received death threats for being another "useless whore" writing a story with a consensual threesome, I decided to do another type of research.

The highest rated story written by a female in this category was ranked somewhere around 75 (at that time). And then the next highest ranked was over 100, if I remember correctly. That is to say, women writers are not well accepted in this category, no matter what they write.

My only suggestion to you if you want your story to at least get read and evaluated based on the merits of your creativity and writing, is to change your profile to clearly state you are MALE.

I'm not stating this because I hate men. I most certainly don't. No one should receive the degree of hate mail and threats that I received over a short piece of fiction that wasn't even inflammatory to begin with. It was a semi-true love story, even.

Hey D_Lynn - Understand your feelings on the category.

Wasn't always like this. Like most categories, one or two multi chapter stories have skewed the list. Rehnquist and DanielQSteele1 in particular have pushed a lot of deserving stories down the list. It's the problem with Multi-Chapter stories we're all aware of. First chapter or two chases off those who don't like the story, and those that remain will score the followup chapters higher. It is what it is.

Patricia51 used to have several high-scoring stories, multiple on Page 1, but that was a while ago, and high-score creep has pushed them down. SilkStockingLover has made a few few forays into the category, and had an incredibly hot story that, as I recall, was on the front page of the toplist for a while before dropping .03 and moving to the second page. Greek Goddess' Lisa Tries a Strip Club was a top 10 story, but since '02, score creep keeps pushing that story down. With those exceptions, it's easy to agree the category is dominated by males, about a dozen who have 90% of the top spots. I honestly believe that it's not sexist, it's the content that keeps it that way. Maybe I'm an optimistic fool.

Your LW story was very well written, interesting characters, well plotted, and hot. Unfortunately you pushed the BTB buttons early, and it doomed your scores. They will NEVER forgive any cheating of any type - and when Emily and Kevin got together behind Jack's back, lied about it, and screwed around (even if it wasn't intercourse), any chance of that red "H" disappeared unless you punished and dumped her. The lying and hiding effectively killed it. When Jack didn't confront his wife and deal with his 'friend', once again you lost fans. He comes across wimpy, and that's a kiss of death.

If the wife and Kevin met, did things, and she came home and immediately talked about it, had the couple blow up, resolved their issues, and moved forward into some type of polyamory, I'm guessing the story would have been closer to a 4.2-4.3. Betrayal - and there's no two ways about it, his wife and friend betrayed him - always has a high cost in these stories, unless dealt with very strongly. That had to be dealt with before any further resolution.

I'm not faulting your story, just trying to explain the mindset. You're a very good writer, and could easily penetrate the top list here. You'd have to want to. Design the story for that purpose. Only in LW is the plot so critical to your success. One missed landmine and 'boom'.

Before my recent foray into this category, I read, literally, over a 1000 LW stories. Probably closer to 2000. I get what they want, and don't want. Doesn't mean I'm willing to go along (as my recent stories and their scores show), but that's my choice. Dollars to donuts, I could write a 10 chapter story that would place chapters 3-9 on the front page. It's become formulaic. I know of no other category that has such stringent requirements for success.

The good news is, LW readers are responsive. They WILL tell you what they think and why. My three LW stories in the last month all had 75+ comments. Only about 10% of my stories get that kind of response and it often takes years. LW readers don't hold back.

Also, unlike most categories, many of the commenters are authors. Some hide behind anonymous, but most don't. Most of the commenters don't hold your previous posting against you. They like it, they say so; they don't, they yell so.

I enjoy writing for this crowd, even if it's doubled the number of stories of mine that don't have the big red "H". I have a couple of more extended tales for this category before I move on. If I don't get back to my original bread-and-butter stories soon, my readers will castigate me.

 

[damppanties]

If you want to do well in terms of scores, you need to write one of 3 things.

1) TLW - Truly Loving Wives where there's no cheating, usually there's some idea that there might be cheating, or resisted seduction. Sex scenes preferred.

2) Non-Cheating - Consensual, agreed upon, extramarital for BOTH partners. If it's not agreed upon, not accepted by both, and both don't participate, you won't score as well. I have several very high scoring stories in this vein. This is the only one of the 3 where the sex scenes are essential.

3) BTB - She cheats, he gets revenge big time. No death, no physical retribution to the wife. This is the basic higher scoring BTB template. No sex scene required.

TLW, BTB, and Reconciliation stories are all about the story.

Reconciliation stories, usually are about the story, and have good sex scenes, but rarely score as well, due to the rabid BTB readers.

Cuck stories are usually about the humiliation and sexual gratification. Explicit sex scenes usually expected. (Abysmal scores)

Of course I'm generalizing and there are exceptions to everything. Long chapter stories, for example. You may have reconciliation, and have high intermediate scores, but expected the final chapter to tank.

Good luck - be thick skinned.

This was interesting!

So what happens to a story that has a cheating girlfriend, not wife. Would that work in Loving Wives?

Also, what is BTB?
Bite the bullet?
By the by?
Beat the bitch?
Bust their balls?
...

 

[HeyAll]

This was interesting!

So what happens to a story that has a cheating girlfriend, not wife. Would that work in Loving Wives?

Also, what is BTB?
Bite the bullet?
By the by?
Beat the bitch?
Bust their balls?
...

I agree that it was very interesting & informative.

TallTales posted this link on the first page explaining what BTB means:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=44165836&postcount=20

Burn-the-Bitch


Maybe TallTales will copy & paste that for us, since I didn't to paste his writing for him.

I'm going to try writing one of those, and as another poster mentioned, no violence.

 

[D_Lynn]

I appreciate the feedback, Tx. I totally agree with your assessment of what gets rated high in that category. And that group does comment a lot. I did receive many positive comments, and a LOT of heartfelt personal messages. Especially when I was being personally attacked.

I honestly believe that it's not sexist, it's the content that keeps it that way. Maybe I'm an optimistic fool.

I'm optimistic and think the best of people, so I didn't see this one coming. I deleted most all of the comments that centered around me being a woman, the death threats, and the name calling.

I did save this little tidbit:

"...And from a females pen, proof positive that women are life support systems for their Cunts with no other redeeming qualities whatsoever. Great writing skills, lousy story lines."​

I think that statement sounds a bit misogynistic. And it wasn't even close to the worst one I received.

I think it is fair to warn female writers in that category.

 

[UrsaMajor69]

I appreciate the feedback, Tx. I totally agree with your assessment of what gets rated high in that category. And that group does comment a lot. I did receive many positive comments, and a LOT of heartfelt personal messages. Especially when I was being personally attacked.


I'm optimistic and think the best of people, so I didn't see this one coming. I deleted most all of the comments that centered around me being a woman, the death threats, and the name calling.

I did save this little tidbit:

"...And from a females pen, proof positive that women are life support systems for their Cunts with no other redeeming qualities whatsoever. Great writing skills, lousy story lines."​

I think that statement sounds a bit misogynistic. And it wasn't even close to the worst one I received.

I think it is fair to warn female writers in that category.

I also loved your categorizations, Tx Tall Tales. I think they are spot on!

However I gotta agree with D_Lynn on the female writers thing. There is nothing wrong with being an optimist, but I think that it is no coincidence the top stories are from male writers - 90% from your estimates. If you take the comment D_Lynn quoted (and this example not atypical), then there is no other way of describing some of the denizens than anything other than misogynists. For those people, voting down women writers would be just a natural reflex, I would imagine.

So getting back to the original question, part of what makes a popular LW story is a male (or "male") writer!

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

I appreciate the feedback, Tx. I totally agree with your assessment of what gets rated high in that category. And that group does comment a lot. I did receive many positive comments, and a LOT of heartfelt personal messages. Especially when I was being personally attacked.



I'm optimistic and think the best of people, so I didn't see this one coming. I deleted most all of the comments that centered around me being a woman, the death threats, and the name calling.

I did save this little tidbit:

"...And from a females pen, proof positive that women are life support systems for their Cunts with no other redeeming qualities whatsoever. Great writing skills, lousy story lines."​

I think that statement sounds a bit misogynistic. And it wasn't even close to the worst one I received.

I think it is fair to warn female writers in that category.

Ouch! Consider me properly rebuked. I hate that crap. I won't argue - there are a lot of bitter men reading LW. I should have realized that some would take it out on the female writers. To be fair, I've received a few comments myself about what a useless piece of shit I am, for various and sundry writing decisions I've made.

At least the dickwad DID admit you write well. I'll agree with that much.

Never having written as a female(I may have to try that one day) I'm in no position to judge the comments you receive or the attitude toward your writing based on gender. Mea culpa. Please don't be too harsh penalizing me. :caning:

 

[PayDay]

C'mon! You people are sissies! The LW whackos are harmless. Its your LIT friends who stab you in the back.

Right?

I almost peed a lil when I read:

"They hate you in Loving Wives because you are a female writer."

asif that shit matters...

 

[DG Hear]

I just submitted a story that could have possibly gone in at least four categories. Loving wife, Interracial, Non-concent or even possibly Romance. I put it in Non-concent because I think it overrides the other categories.

I like the story if I say so myself, haha, and figure in will draw the readers from all four categories. Don't know what my Romance and non-erotic readers will think of it.

I'm working on another story as a woman telling her story. It's pretty rough also but might have a woman author (if I can find one) to look at it and make sure I use language that a woman instead of a guy might use. I've wrote as a woman many times and there is a difference. I've never got knocked around as a woman author, but it seems funny that a lot of readers didn't know I was a male. Guess some haven't read some of my hundreds of stories.

By the way, Tx Tall Tales, you are a really good writer and I agree with most of your opinions.
with respect
DG

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Right?

I almost peed a lil when I read:

"They hate you in Loving Wives because you are a female writer."

asif that shit matters...

I'm convinced a few of the LIT posters are unhinged and work their vendettas on the stories. Their motives are as lame as their secret luv giving attention to others, or differences of opinion about whatever they feel strongly about. Sissies love to ambush and backstab.

 

[PayDay]

I'm convinced a few of the LIT posters are unhinged and work their vendettas on the stories. Their motives are as lame as their secret luv giving attention to others, or differences of opinion about whatever they feel strongly about. Sissies love to ambush and backstab.

wow. A+

Just be careful whom you say that to

 

[Jim44444]

Even commenters get attacked

I'm convinced a few of the LIT posters are unhinged and work their vendettas on the stories. Their motives are as lame as their secret luv giving attention to others, or differences of opinion about whatever they feel strongly about. Sissies love to ambush and backstab.

For a slightly different perspective. A few days ago I commented on a LW story giving positive feedback to the author for a well written story. I also encouraged the author to ignore the flaming women haters who insisted that he BTB the wife. In response I got hate email even though I don't accept anonymous mail. It is apparent that if an responder puts anything that resembles an email address in the contact field the web program will forward the message. To sum up, the commenters who leave hateful comments for the authors also hate anyone who does not blindly follow their stupidity. Thank you to all the authors who coninue to write great stories and even to those that at lest try.

 

[UrsaMajor69]

For a slightly different perspective. A few days ago I commented on a LW story giving positive feedback to the author for a well written story. I also encouraged the author to ignore the flaming women haters who insisted that he BTB the wife. In response I got hate email even though I don't accept anonymous mail. It is apparent that if an responder puts anything that resembles an email address in the contact field the web program will forward the message. To sum up, the commenters who leave hateful comments for the authors also hate anyone who does not blindly follow their stupidity. Thank you to all the authors who coninue to write great stories and even to those that at lest try.

Wow, didn't know they were going after the supportive commenters via email too.

Apparently hell hath no fury like an LW reader scorned...

 

[Saxon_Hart]

Wow, didn't know they were going after the supportive commenters via email too.

Apparently hell hath no fury like an LW reader scorned...

I've seen commentors attacked in the comment section, but I never dreamed that they'd go to e mail.

 

[spankedboy]

I guess I must be lucky. I wrote only two stories for LW category. They are both about how a wife cuckolds the husband, with his consent, with a man who is more powerful, manly, has a larger cock, is rough with the wife and gives her far better sex than the wimpy, small dicked husband can. And both were written from the husband's point of view - and yet I got 4+ ratings on both (one has 4.2).

I didn't knock cuckold stories could also go in fetish, I have always liked to read those and always searched in the loving wives category (and sometimes in non-consent).

I also post in BDSM but those stories (though have higher ratings and i think are better written), hardly get any comments, even though I see views. But LW stories always seem to get comments/feedback.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

For a slightly different perspective. A few days ago I commented on a LW story giving positive feedback to the author for a well written story. I also encouraged the author to ignore the flaming women haters who insisted that he BTB the wife. In response I got hate email even though I don't accept anonymous mail. It is apparent that if an responder puts anything that resembles an email address in the contact field the web program will forward the message. To sum up, the commenters who leave hateful comments for the authors also hate anyone who does not blindly follow their stupidity. Thank you to all the authors who coninue to write great stories and even to those that at lest try.

The posters here play all kinds of games with their alts. They flatter, they one-bomb, they harass other commenters, they send emails begging for custom stories, they send along lame story ideas.

 

[Tyro999]

The thought occurs to me that, given the disparate groups reading the LW section regularly, the question "What makes a POPULAR Loving Wives story?' represents the ultimate oxymoron.

 

[LaRascasse]

A thought here...

We have established that physical revenge which leaves the wives and lover's bleeding is a no-no, but the husband should still get his own back in some way.

Tell me if the following idea of "revenge" would be acceptable or not.

Hacker 1-2-3 treatment
1. Drain her/her lover's bank accounts.
2. Steal their identities
3. Covertly put child porn on their work servers, and anonymously tip off the cops.

The scorned husband is apparently good enough with computers to do all 3.

 

[Saxon_Hart]

A thought here...

We have established that physical revenge which leaves the wives and lover's bleeding is a no-no, but the husband should still get his own back in some way.

Tell me if the following idea of "revenge" would be acceptable or not.

Hacker 1-2-3 treatment
1. Drain her/her lover's bank accounts.
2. Steal their identities
3. Covertly put child porn on their work servers, and anonymously tip off the cops.

The scorned husband is apparently good enough with computers to do all 3.

I think all of that has been done...not 100% sure though. Leave sweetie and her beau destitute enough and you'll have them eating out of your hands.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The thought occurs to me that, given the disparate groups reading the LW section regularly, the question "What makes a POPULAR Loving Wives story?' represents the ultimate oxymoron.

Very true.

 

[LaRascasse]

I think all of that has been done...not 100% sure though. Leave sweetie and her beau destitute enough and you'll have them eating out of your hands.

Hmm.. seems doable. Bankrupt them and take away the house. Leave them homeless and freezing. Next stop. Someone write this and see if it really works.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Hmm.. seems doable. Bankrupt them and take away the house. Leave them homeless and freezing. Next stop. Someone write this and see if it really works.

IRL it usually works the other way: She keeps his truck payments and the trailer payments, to feather her new love-nest. At the end she cleans out the checking account, and rides off with her new knight.

 

[UrsaMajor69]

IRL it usually works the other way: She keeps his truck payments and the trailer payments, to feather her new love-nest. At the end she cleans out the checking account, and rides off with her new knight.

Bingo.
The LW tragics probably experienced this IRL, thus explaining their desperate need for the revenge fantasies to escape their reality.

Tap into this, and you will probably end up with a popular LW story.