Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Wat_Tyler]

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SA has a decent looking 10 for under a grand. I have an old SA .45 which has always done everything I asked of it.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[LLCox]

100k

 

[Chobham]

Same basic ballistics as .40 S&W. Maybe a bit hotter, but same ol', same ol'.

1250fps, 425ftlbs energy.

.357 Sig in a 7" long barrel extended dust cover frame 1911 is heavy and hard to conceal, but it also has manageable recoil for most SD work. Plus it's bad ass when people realize that what you're packing is a LOT bigger than what they have in their pants.

As they say, size matters.

Which is why I carry a compact .45.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

100k

Whooda thought it???


Woe betide the tattlers and detractors:


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Woe betide

 

[TrailerHitch]

Cost is probably a huge factor but the reality is that the 9mm is just more user friendly.

I tell people that if I had a combat ready 1911 in 9mm and someone to feed me new magazines, I could conquer the world because it's that capable and user friendly. Little to no felt recoil, fast followup, hard hitting, more rounds in same package, light and easy to maneuver with a full mag inserted, it's almost perfect.

Perfect would be a Klingon disruptor but until I can get my hands on one of those, I'm a 9mm fan.

I never understand people that say that the 1911 is .45acp has a heavy recoil. My petite 5'4" wife can take my 1911 and rapidly put 7 center mass on a target. If she can do that why can't big strong men do the same. In fact she has claimed my 1911 as her home defense gun!

I carry an XDS in .45acp and it is a sweet shooting gun that I have no trouble hitting what I shoot at. My son with bigger hands than me disliked it saying the recoil was stiff. But then again he is a 9mm guy.

I only own a 9mm because I couldn't pass up the deal I got on a used Ruger P89 with 7 spare magazines. If shit ever hits the fan one of the .45's will be my first choice but I could always fall back on the Ruger if need be.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

I never understand people that say that the 1911 is .45acp has a heavy recoil. My petite 5'4" wife can take my 1911 and rapidly put 7 center mass on a target. If she can do that why can't big strong men do the same. In fact she has claimed my 1911 as her home defense gun!

I carry an XDS in .45acp and it is a sweet shooting gun that I have no trouble hitting what I shoot at. My son with bigger hands than me disliked it saying the recoil was stiff. But then again he is a 9mm guy.

I only own a 9mm because I couldn't pass up the deal I got on a used Ruger P89 with 7 spare magazines. If shit ever hits the fan one of the .45's will be my first choice but I could always fall back on the Ruger if need be.

Your wife is a dude, it's not hard to figure out, homo.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Pelvis. It's covered in a network of blood vessels and there's no possibility of compression to stop the bleeding.

I knew that but I also wondered if the psychological effect of getting shot in the twig and berries might stop someone in their tracks.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Cost, capacity, and newer bullet designs. FBI was the biggie. Cost and the fact thier shootings required 3-5 rounds to score 1 hit. So if the damage done by 9mm, 40, and 45 are damn near identical, the average FBI agent needs more rounds in the mag to score hits. 9mm becomes thier logical choice. That and the contract for the 135 Grain +p Critical Duty.

If it is a known fact that the FBI requires more rounds to score a hit then TRAIN THEM BETTER.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I knew that but I also wondered if the psychological effect of getting shot in the twig and berries might stop someone in their tracks.

Reminds me of a tale a cop told me early in the millennium. Four thuglettes were having a shoot-out in the middle of a street too damned close to where I was living at that time. There may have been more, but four were shot and transported. Seems that one of them lost the sac in the exchange. Oops. THat didn't make the papers. The woman cops laughed while the boy cops cringed.


I laughed. Fuck him.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[TrailerHitch]

Reminds me of a tale a cop told me early in the millennium. Four thuglettes were having a shoot-out in the middle of a street too damned close to where I was living at that time. There may have been more, but four were shot and transported. Seems that one of them lost the sac in the exchange. Oops. THat didn't make the papers. The woman cops laughed while the boy cops cringed.


I laughed. Fuck him.

Sometimes the cost of a life of crime is higher than just jail time. I feel no sympathy for him. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Sometimes the cost of a life of crime is higher than just jail time. I feel no sympathy for him. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

I dated a STICU nurse for awhile. She had a gunshot thug for a patient and he kept whining for pain pills. She reminded him that he was on a schedule and he'd get his next pill when it was time. Class act he was, he fetched her Hella-cussin'. She told him you play with guns and don't know shit about them, then this is what happens.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[Chobham]

Reminds me of a tale a cop told me early in the millennium. Four thuglettes were having a shoot-out in the middle of a street too damned close to where I was living at that time. There may have been more, but four were shot and transported. Seems that one of them lost the sac in the exchange. Oops. THat didn't make the papers. The woman cops laughed while the boy cops cringed.


I laughed. Fuck him.

The DOE silhouette targets have the Balzac area scored as a critical hit. The local DOE Pro Force has two female officers that have to qualify, guess where they target their shots?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The DOE silhouette targets have the Balzac area scored as a critical hit. The local DOE Pro Force has two female officers that have to qualify, guess where they target their shots?

There's a twist on the concept of Center Mass.


It seems that there's some Wat Derangement Syndrome popping up here and there. Now that we have a term for it . . . .

 

[Chobham]

Fortunately they only have to qualify twice a year because the Balzac zone pastes up in such a way that when they shoot that target area they blow out the lower target frame brace...........................bitches.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Sounds like a need for a slightly larger target frame. I've been using old real estate signs out west, but I'm only shooting at 25 yards so far. Trying to make wee cloverleafs and to keep it/them that way. So far so good.

 

[HisArpy]

If it is a known fact that the FBI requires more rounds to score a hit then TRAIN THEM BETTER.

Umm, no thanks. If the FBI is going to go all Ruby Ridge on anyone, I'd prefer them to be horrible shots and spare the life of my barn doors.

 

[HisArpy]

I never understand people that say that the 1911 is .45acp has a heavy recoil. My petite 5'4" wife can take my 1911 and rapidly put 7 center mass on a target. If she can do that why can't big strong men do the same. In fact she has claimed my 1911 as her home defense gun!

I carry an XDS in .45acp and it is a sweet shooting gun that I have no trouble hitting what I shoot at. My son with bigger hands than me disliked it saying the recoil was stiff. But then again he is a 9mm guy.

I only own a 9mm because I couldn't pass up the deal I got on a used Ruger P89 with 7 spare magazines. If shit ever hits the fan one of the .45's will be my first choice but I could always fall back on the Ruger if need be.

I have no problems shooting my .45's. But, when speed and agility are required, I'll pick up the 9mm every time. It has less recoil which translates to less muzzle flip and a quicker return onto the target.

The counter is that the .45 has more energy which is a greater likelihood of a knockdown/staydown. But if I'm in a shooting situation there may be more than one guy trying to turn his life around who needs introduced to Mr. Morningstar. In that situation I'd rather have a faster shot recovery than heavy hitting.

In 9mm I can do 7 shots on 7 different targets in under 5 seconds from a hands empty/concealed holster starting position before doing a mag change. In .45 that increases to around 7-8 seconds. Same gun, std stainless steel frame 1911 with 5" barrel length, just different calibers. The reason is the recoil/muzzle flip and slower target acquisition during the transition from 1 target to another because of the increased weight/mass/inertia. It's not much difference but the difference between alive and dead is often less than 2 seconds.

Can you train to overcome this? Absolutely. If, that is, you're willing to spend the money, time, and effort to do so. I don't feel the need for it since I can just pick up my 9mm and get the job done as I stand here.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Umm, no thanks. If the FBI is going to go all Ruby Ridge on anyone, I'd prefer them to be horrible shots and spare the life of my barn doors.

Yeah, because even their "quarter inch at 200 meters" guy (a margin that the USMC armorers would never have claimed) missed Randy Weaver twice,


One more reason they need to go back to briefcases and clipboards.

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah, because even their "quarter inch at 200 meters" guy (a margin that the USMC armorers would never have claimed) missed Randy Weaver twice,


One more reason they need to go back to briefcases and clipboards.

Estimating shooting distance is like measuring fish. They're always bigger after the contest is over.

 

[Chobham]

I have no problems shooting my .45's. But, when speed and agility are required, I'll pick up the 9mm every time. It has less recoil which translates to less muzzle flip and a quicker return onto the target.

The counter is that the .45 has more energy which is a greater likelihood of a knockdown/staydown. But if I'm in a shooting situation there may be more than one guy trying to turn his life around who needs introduced to Mr. Morningstar. In that situation I'd rather have a faster shot recovery than heavy hitting.

In 9mm I can do 7 shots on 7 different targets in under 5 seconds from a hands empty/concealed holster starting position before doing a mag change. In .45 that increases to around 7-8 seconds. Same gun, std stainless steel frame 1911 with 5" barrel length, just different calibers. The reason is the recoil/muzzle flip and slower target acquisition during the transition from 1 target to another because of the increased weight/mass/inertia. It's not much difference but the difference between alive and dead is often less than 2 seconds.

Can you train to overcome this? Absolutely. If, that is, you're willing to spend the money, time, and effort to do so. I don't feel the need for it since I can just pick up my 9mm and get the job done as I stand here.

The eternal argument. The fact is that in any given gun fight the first ACCURATE shot wins. In multiple assailant engagements you take the closest first and the other(s) are busy shitting themselves hauling ass or taking cover (as you should be as well, Josey Wales be damned).

Re. the FBI. That's the only agency I haven't worked with. I asked some of the other agency officer's how the FBI shot and they said, "OK." So then I asked "comparable to?" and the answer was "Kinda like the National Park Service." I have worked with NPS and no one is impressed. By the way, National Forest Service just as bad.

That being said I agree with everything you said about practice, practice, practice. Whatever pistol you use that you can reliably make that first shot count is the pistol you should use.

 

[HisArpy]

The eternal argument. The fact is that in any given gun fight the first ACCURATE shot wins. In multiple assailant engagements you take the closest first and the other(s) are busy shitting themselves hauling ass or taking cover (as you should be as well, Josey Wales be damned).

Re. the FBI. That's the only agency I haven't worked with. I asked some of the other agency officer's how the FBI shot and they said, "OK." So then I asked "comparable to?" and the answer was "Kinda like the National Park Service." I have worked with NPS and no one is impressed. By the way, National Forest Service just as bad.

That being said I agree with everything you said about practice, practice, practice. Whatever pistol you use that you can reliably make that first shot count is the pistol you should use.

First accurate shot wins is a fallacy. The winner is the guy who can deliver enough hurting to make the other guy quit. If that takes one shot or 100, that's what it takes and you'd better be willing to dish it out (and take it if necessary) because there is no magic bullet load or caliber.

Most law enforcement suck when it comes to shooting skills. This is because few of them are gun guys and most rely on backup and dogpile tactics to subdue and arrest. With that as their main goal they don't need to be able to shoot.

Not that I'd want them to, their chicken shit nature was on full display during the Chris Dorner manhunt.

 

[Buffalogurl]

I have no problems shooting my .45's. But, when speed and agility are required, I'll pick up the 9mm every time. It has less recoil which translates to less muzzle flip and a quicker return onto the target.

The counter is that the .45 has more energy which is a greater likelihood of a knockdown/staydown. But if I'm in a shooting situation there may be more than one guy trying to turn his life around who needs introduced to Mr. Morningstar. In that situation I'd rather have a faster shot recovery than heavy hitting.

In 9mm I can do 7 shots on 7 different targets in under 5 seconds from a hands empty/concealed holster starting position before doing a mag change. In .45 that increases to around 7-8 seconds. Same gun, std stainless steel frame 1911 with 5" barrel length, just different calibers. The reason is the recoil/muzzle flip and slower target acquisition during the transition from 1 target to another because of the increased weight/mass/inertia. It's not much difference but the difference between alive and dead is often less than 2 seconds.

Can you train to overcome this? Absolutely. If, that is, you're willing to spend the money, time, and effort to do so. I don't feel the need for it since I can just pick up my 9mm and get the job done as I stand here.

I'm a .45 gurl.... just say'in ☺ cause they don't make a .46