Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Chobham]

I'm a .45 gurl.... just say'in ☺ cause they don't make a .46

45 double D. *chuckle*

 

[Chobham]

First accurate shot wins is a fallacy. The winner is the guy who can deliver enough hurting to make the other guy quit. If that takes one shot or 100, that's what it takes and you'd better be willing to dish it out (and take it if necessary) because there is no magic bullet load or caliber.

Most law enforcement suck when it comes to shooting skills. This is because few of them are gun guys and most rely on backup and dogpile tactics to subdue and arrest. With that as their main goal they don't need to be able to shoot.

Not that I'd want them to, their chicken shit nature was on full display during the Chris Dorner manhunt.

Well, I guess you work with a lot of LE agencies out at the range.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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if the sunflowers had guns, he wouldn't be doing this shit.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

PM Wat for assistance. He's always happeh to he'p.


BTW, the "pre-WW2" is an error, because we love us some militaria no matter the era.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

SHTF


FAFO . . . .

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[wizzard426]

All enemies, foreign.......and especially.....Domestic.

My oath has no expiration date

 

[Wat_Tyler]

As I have said before, if I were to wind up in a foxhole with one of some of the posters here, I'd hold one hand over their lying cuntish mouth and use the other to hold my bayonet/Kabar and push it through their liver and carefully watch the light slowly fade out of their eyes. Feel their breath shorten, feel them twitch as they try to back off the blade, see the Fear which defines their lives writ large on their no-character face. Then I'd not have to worry about some dumb cunt getting me blown up.


Then I might have to go find another and do it again because I enjoyed it too damned much.


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[wizzard426]

I like it when the legs twitch and kick

 

[wizzard426]

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I like it when the legs twitch and kick

The son of a bitch is trying to blow smoke up the horse's ass and he's having none of it.


I'd like to see the look on the horse's face.

 

[TrailerHitch]

I have no problems shooting my .45's. But, when speed and agility are required, I'll pick up the 9mm every time. It has less recoil which translates to less muzzle flip and a quicker return onto the target.

The counter is that the .45 has more energy which is a greater likelihood of a knockdown/staydown. But if I'm in a shooting situation there may be more than one guy trying to turn his life around who needs introduced to Mr. Morningstar. In that situation I'd rather have a faster shot recovery than heavy hitting.

In 9mm I can do 7 shots on 7 different targets in under 5 seconds from a hands empty/concealed holster starting position before doing a mag change. In .45 that increases to around 7-8 seconds. Same gun, std stainless steel frame 1911 with 5" barrel length, just different calibers. The reason is the recoil/muzzle flip and slower target acquisition during the transition from 1 target to another because of the increased weight/mass/inertia. It's not much difference but the difference between alive and dead is often less than 2 seconds.

Can you train to overcome this? Absolutely. If, that is, you're willing to spend the money, time, and effort to do so. I don't feel the need for it since I can just pick up my 9mm and get the job done as I stand here.

I'm going to disagree on felt recoil. To me the .45acp in a 1911 is more of a push than the crack recoil of a 9mm. Sub sonic versus supersonic. Both can be overcome if the shooter wants to train enough to be able to handle it.

 

[HisArpy]

I'm a .45 gurl.... just say'in ☺ cause they don't make a .46

Careful, around here those kind of words can give a guy a raging hardon.

 

[HisArpy]

Well, I guess you work with a lot of LE agencies out at the range.

I used to teach gunz. After the new laws that went into effect back in January I, like most of my 2A teaching bretheren, stopped.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[HisArpy]

I'm going to disagree on felt recoil. To me the .45acp in a 1911 is more of a push than the crack recoil of a 9mm. Sub sonic versus supersonic. Both can be overcome if the shooter wants to train enough to be able to handle it.

It's not about "felt" recoil, it's about actual recoil. See: E=MC2. The 9mm is faster and easier handling than even the .40. This gives it a definite speed advantage in combat, which is why most competitions divide into major and minor classes right above 9mm.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing "bad" about the .45. For general home defense, static target shooting, and all around fun, it's perfect. The main issue with the perception surrounding the .45 is that when the .45 caliber range (.44, .45, etc) was first developed we used different powders and needed the heavy bullet mass to make hits effective. With the newer faster powders that's not as critical anymore. Add in the new bullet designs and it's not critical at all. In fact, other calibers perform better than the .45 because of these advances in technology.

I also don't do static target shooting (like bullseye). I don't compete but that doesn't mean I can't train to engage and work to improve my mindset and understanding of what self defense really means.

Rarely does it mean 1 on 1 with the bad guy not shooting back while you stand there rigidly in an isosceles stance firing 1 round per second. So I train to assess and engage multiple targets, at speed, and hit within 8 inches of POA on designated targets. I don't shoot silhouettes either, I shoot a range of different sized and shaped targets because I train to hit my POA, not the paper target.

I also don't have rules because there are no rules in street combat except don't shoot innocent bystanders or the cops when they eventually show up. Thus, I don't have artificial rules in my training like "shoot the closest bad guy first" because he may not be the biggest threat. My goal is to prevent any harm to me or my family. Whatever it takes is what I do.

I also don't automatically assume that it's going to be a gunfight. In today's world run away and hide are the #1 choices if possible, I fight only when there are no options left. My training works to help ensure that I don't hesitate in making that decision or delay getting into action when that decision is made.

I'm also not a bad ass or a gunslinger. I'm a survivor. My training and mindset are geared for that purpose and only that purpose. That means I want the best tool for me that I can possibly have at hand. I have many weapons to choose from, I choose a 1911 in 9mm because it is that tool.

 

[DroolinFool]

If it is a known fact that the FBI requires more rounds to score a hit then TRAIN THEM BETTER.

I'm sure that was put on the table as a possible solution, but then immediately dismissed as too time consuming, costly, and dependent on human gumption. Much like libtards blaming guns for violence, the government sees the inanimate tool as the solution to all problems, so change that instead of pushing humans to a higher level.

Additionally, if standards are upped, you run the risk of losing that all important diversity. If new training and qualification standards are ramped up and it costs you 15% of your agents due to disqualification, what portion of that 15% would be "other than male Caucasian "? Good investigations and LE work come from the number of purple haired trannies and race-card holders you have, not tenacity and skill. Lol.

 

[DroolinFool]

PM Wat for assistance. He's always happeh to he'p.


BTW, the "pre-WW2" is an error, because we love us some militaria no matter the era.



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Definitely post that in my neighborhood. Could use another pre-64. Only have found 1 at reasonable price, and that was over 10 years ago.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Definitely post that in my neighborhood. Could use another pre-64. Only have found 1 at reasonable price, and that was over 10 years ago.

I've been doing the WW2 weapons lately. US semi-automatics.


Ordered another 40 M1 clips. Fucking price went up. I guess I'll keep buying up all the under-$5 versions and then watch the market for stragglers.

 

[DroolinFool]

I've been doing the WW2 weapons lately. US semi-automatics.


Ordered another 40 M1 clips. Fucking price went up. I guess I'll keep buying up all the under-$5 versions and then watch the market for stragglers.

I finally got a surplus M1. Was originally donated to the Danes based on serial number. Got a sardine can of ball ammo. Need to find some spares. Came with 3 clips. Any place you would suggest for finding solid remakes or surplus (if there even are surplus M1 clips, anymore).

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I finally got a surplus M1. Was originally donated to the Danes based on serial number. Got a sardine can of ball ammo. Need to find some spares. Came with 3 clips. Any place you would suggest for finding solid remakes or surplus (if there even are surplus M1 clips, anymore).

eBay, $3.50 each plus shipping, sold 10 at a time. I haven't found any cheaper ones anywhere, and I search online a couple of times per month.


Some of those twits want $7 and $8 a piece for them. Yeah, no . . . .


Just be sure you don't lose them.


M1 carbine mags are no problem.


SGAmmo has reduced pressure ammo for sale for them, too.

 

[DroolinFool]

eBay, $3.50 each plus shipping, sold 10 at a time. I haven't found any cheaper ones anywhere, and I search online a couple of times per month.


Some of those twits want $7 and $8 a piece for them. Yeah, no . . . .


Just be sure you don't lose them.


M1 carbine mags are no problem.


SGAmmo has reduced pressure ammo for sale for them, too.

I apologize. I was talking M1 Garand, just to clarify. I've teetered on getting a carbine, but the ammo is not cheap and that's 1 more caliber to carve out a storage spot for.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I apologize. I was talking M1 Garand, just to clarify. I've teetered on getting a carbine, but the ammo is not cheap and that's 1 more caliber to carve out a storage spot for.

I'm talking both. I bought a carbine last year and 3 M1s this year. I may have been confusing.


M1 clips, $35 for 10 on eBay. Plus shipping. I ordered 40 more yesterday.


I did buy a bigass ammo can of 30 carbine when I bought the rifle. Prvi Partizan loads for it under $1/round delivered bought in bulk.

 

[DroolinFool]

I'm talking both. I bought a carbine last year and 3 M1s this year. I may have been confusing.


M1 clips, $35 for 10 on eBay. Plus shipping. I ordered 40 more yesterday.


I did buy a bigass ammo can of 30 carbine when I bought the rifle. Prvi Partizan loads for it under $1/round delivered bought in bulk.

Awesome price on the ammo. Serb stuff cycle consistently? I've used thier 9mm for training. 2 good batches and 1 ok batch (had 6 cycling issues out of 200).

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Awesome price on the ammo. Serb stuff cycle consistently? I've used thier 9mm for training. 2 good batches and 1 ok batch (had 6 cycling issues out of 200).

I have used several batches of the Prvi stuff. I pronounce it "pervy." It seems clean and consistent, and it's all reloadable. Sellier and Bellot (Czech) stuff is also good, but their M1 ammo is harder to find for cheap.


Sounds like you may have just gotten a bum batch. My cycling issues usually have to do with grungy firearms. These 4 rifles have all gotten a thorough going over. I've only fired the carbine to date, but it works as designed.