This just in from John Kerry:

[Sean]

No, the smoking guns were reported years ago after the invasion. Sarin, processed uranium, triggers for nukes, stuff like that.

Links?

 

[TheOlderGuy]

No, the smoking guns were reported years ago after the invasion. Sarin, processed uranium, triggers for nukes, stuff like that.

right. and i bet you have some really kewl imaginary friends, too.

 

[garbage can]

I disagree

and I dont believe you agree that Dumz belive he was wrong

They believe he was wrong to have said so at the time he said it!

They believe he is in fact, RIGHT!

Yes, many do.

 

[Tungwagger]

There was another kid in my neighborhood when I was growing up who argued like him. I moved out of there the summer after seventh grade. This kid would yell louder and louder, the same thing over and over again and then declare himself the "winner," even though he never found out what the other person said. Exactly the same.

11 years old.

Inadvertently, I believe you may have also described LT....

 

[Tungwagger]

How about not making idiotic comments? That's the point.

Kerry's didn't endanger the troops and Bush's did. Which do you think is worse?

Don't shoot unless you're shot at? Are these the terms of engagement you're advocating?

Sneak quietly in, and hide out...we don't want to piss them off?

"Bring it on" has the ability to rally support and build morale, Kerry's comments (botched joke, whatever) have a demoralizing effect, and further the notion that we can't win.


And we won't as long as we expect our military to play by the rules that the enemy won't abide by.

 

[zipman]

Don't shoot unless you're shot at? Are these the terms of engagement you're advocating?

Sneak quietly in, and hide out...we don't want to piss them off?

"Bring it on" has the ability to rally support and build morale, Kerry's comments (botched joke, whatever) have a demoralizing effect, and further the notion that we can't win.


And we won't as long as we expect our military to play by the rules that the enemy won't abide by.

Where did I even insinuate "Don't shoot unless you're shot at?" That's just the kind of mindless partisan bullshit that seems to be passing for thought on the far right these days.

"Bring it on" did rally support and build morale. Unfortunately it was with the insurgents. But hey, Bush said it so you better support it.

 

[landslider2000]

There are no perfect, lovely, wonderful wars. Visit Verdun, where 700,000 died. That's 697,000 worse than the 5 years of Afghanistan-Iraq.

Reasonable people can differ about the need for the Iraq invasion. I personally opposed it.

But casualties over a 5-year period in Afghanistan-Iraq stand at about 3 months of the Vietnam toll. And the population of America has doubled.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

There are no perfect, lovely, wonderful wars. Visit Verdun, where 700,000 died. That's 697,000 worse than the 5 years of Afghanistan-Iraq.

Reasonable people can differ about the need for the Iraq invasion. I personally opposed it.

But casualties over a 5-year period in Afghanistan-Iraq stand at about 3 months of the Vietnam toll. And the population of America has doubled.

There are about 20,000 U.S. servicepeople in Afghanistan.

Recall how many were in country in VN?

 

[landslider2000]

Yep.

American casualties in Afghanistan have been stunningly light (thankfully).

 

[Peregrinator]

This stuff is getting OLD where your type just SHOOT all the messangers
:

Of course, it's okay for you to do in almost every thread you post in, Ya hypocrite. Once again, BB, you are that which you claim to hate.

 

[Sean]

Yep.

American casualties in Afghanistan have been stunningly light (thankfully).

That's because the British and Canadians are doing all the fighting.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Yep.

American casualties in Afghanistan have been stunningly light (thankfully).

Who exactly is arguing that American troops ought to be out of Afghanistan?

 

[Peregrinator]

Who exactly is arguing that American troops ought to be out of Afghanistan?

I was wondering that, too. LS seems to me making a point, but it doesn't appear to clash with anything else in the thread.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

I was wondering that, too. LS seems to me making a point, but it doesn't appear to clash with anything else in the thread.

I'll let him answer, but it strikes me as a straw man. All of these demands for an apology from Kerry are meant to exploit his reputation as being anti-military.

He's actually called for deployment of more troops to Afghanistan, however.

 

[Peregrinator]

I'll let him answer, but it strikes me as a straw man. All of these demands for an apology from Kerry are meant to exploit his reputation as being anti-military.

He's actually called for deployment of more troops to Afghanistan, however.

Has he? I didn't know. It's amazing to me that a veteran who volunteered for service can be seen as anti-military. That attitude is rife within the military as well...it's nearly universal, even among troops who admit to voting Democrat.

 

[Sean]

Has he? I didn't know. It's amazing to me that a veteran who volunteered for service can be seen as anti-military. That attitude is rife within the military as well...it's nearly universal, even among troops who admit to voting Democrat.

Never underestimate the power of the centrifuge.

 

[landslider2000]

Kerry volunteered only when faced with conscription.

Like me.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Has he? I didn't know. It's amazing to me that a veteran who volunteered for service can be seen as anti-military. That attitude is rife within the military as well...it's nearly universal, even among troops who admit to voting Democrat.

The reason that he and his campaign took so long to respond to the swift-boat attacks was that he thought his status as a veteran was unassailable and that the attacks would backfire on themselves by seeming like partisan attacks against a true Patriot.

The right has some brilliant propagandists.

 

[Peregrinator]

Kerry volunteered only when faced with conscription.

Like me.

My dad did the same thing, but he volunteered for the Chair Force into an administrative position to avoid combat (Korea). Kerry, and apparently you, volunteered for combat. There's a difference.

 

[Peregrinator]

The reason that he and his campaign took so long to respond to the swift-boat attacks was that he thought his status as a veteran was unassailable and that the attacks would backfire on themselves by seeming like partisan attacks against a true Patriot.

The right has some brilliant propagandists.

They really do. I remember seeing Bill Clinton on the Daily Show, and him pointing out that it was the same people smearing Kerry that did it to McCain.

 

[busybody..]

There are about 20,000 U.S. servicepeople in Afghanistan.

Recall how many were in country in VN?

so you are NOT happy with the death level in Afghanistan

Maybe we should just shoot the soldiers HERE and save the shipping costs from Afghanistan

Is that better?

 

[busybody..]

The reason that he and his campaign took so long to respond to the swift-boat attacks was that he thought his status as a veteran was unassailable and that the attacks would backfire on themselves by seeming like partisan attacks against a true Patriot.

The right has some brilliant propagandists.

the Swift Boat guys have been after Kerry with the same attacks since 1971

 

[busybody..]

He's actually called for deployment of more troops to Afghanistan, however.

and if the Pres would send MORE troops to that place he would be screaming to get em out

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

so you are NOT happy with the death level in Afghanistan

Maybe we should just shoot the soldiers HERE and save the shipping costs from Afghanistan

Is that better?

Bizzybee, the underwear go on the inside of your pants.

 

[Hooper_X]

I don't know if any of you people have ever been in the military, but you can't swing a dead cat on a military base without hitting a dozen or so guys who couldn't find a job in their economic wasteland of a hometown, whose choices were to join the military or turn to a life of crime.