This just in from John Kerry:

[busybody..]

in case you dont wanna read the above

Here is a snapshot

Kerry is an IDIOT!

 

[Ishmael]

in case you dont wanna read the above

Here is a snapshot

Kerry is an IDIOT!

Let's synopsize here. Even hard core Dems are agreeing with you. So why are you still talking after the deal is done? Hmmmmm?

Ishmael

 

[TheOlderGuy]

it's always fun to watch the neocons flock around an issue they think might be the great white hope that will pull them out of the jaws of hell. Republicans want Kerry far more than the Democrats do. but he's not gonna help you this time.

David Frum, the former White House speechwriter who co-wrote Bush's 2002 State of the Union address that accused Iraq of being part of an "axis of evil," it now looks as if defeat may be inescapable, because "the insurgency has proven it can kill anyone who cooperates, and the United States and its friends have failed to prove that it can protect them." This situation, he says, must ultimately be blamed on "failure at the center"—starting with President Bush.

 

[wazhazhe]

Sorry. What was the question?

As for the report you refer to and the fact that Saddam was a year away from nukes, I think you can plausibly argue that doing nothing in Iraq for 11 more months would have been OK

I’ve seen no credible evidence Iraq had a viable nuclear program after the Gulf War. Do you have any that shows they did?

 

[TheOlderGuy]

I’ve seen no credible evidence Iraq had a viable nuclear program after the Gulf War. Do you have any that shows they did?

of course he doesn't. if there were ANY, Bush and Co, would have plastered it everywhere they could.

 

[wazhazhe]

of course he doesn't. if there were ANY, Bush and Co, would have plastered it everywhere they could.

I know, but I thought I'd ask.

 

[Ham Murabi]

I’ve seen no credible evidence Iraq had a viable nuclear program after the Gulf War. Do you have any that shows they did?

You'd have to read the link in a previous post.

 

[Ham Murabi]

I’ve seen no credible evidence Iraq had a viable nuclear program after the Gulf War. Do you have any that shows they did?

This is part of an analysis of a New York Times story from post 582.
If you read it closely, you'll note the NYT is reporting that Saddam was a year away from having nukes.

"The ineptitude of the media when so single-mindedly pursuing a predetermined target is almost staggering. Not only had the article already, in the name of showing the incompetence of the Bush administration (and, by extension in this election season, of the Republican Party as a whole) to maintain America’s national security, admitted that Saddam’s government had been actively pursuing chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, but in that one brief paragraph they pulled the rest of the “Bush lied” and “Iraq was no threat” house of cards completely to the ground, with the contention that in 2002 – on the very eve of the Iraq invasion – Saddam was less than one year away from building an atomic bomb. America seems to have made it there just in time."

 

[wazhazhe]

This is part of an analysis of a New York Times story from post 582.
If you read it closely, you'll note the NYT is reporting that Saddam was a year away from having nukes.

"The ineptitude of the media when so single-mindedly pursuing a predetermined target is almost staggering. Not only had the article already, in the name of showing the incompetence of the Bush administration (and, by extension in this election season, of the Republican Party as a whole) to maintain America’s national security, admitted that Saddam’s government had been actively pursuing chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, but in that one brief paragraph they pulled the rest of the “Bush lied” and “Iraq was no threat” house of cards completely to the ground, with the contention that in 2002 – on the very eve of the Iraq invasion – Saddam was less than one year away from building an atomic bomb. America seems to have made it there just in time."

An op-ed with no link? Bullshit. Provide a link to the papers that actually state Iraq was one year away from having a nuke.

 

[garbage can]

:chuckling:

Last I looked, John Kerry wasn't on any ballots, hon. Nor does he hold any elected office.


I'm off to see a movie now. Have a great night guys.

Last I looked, John Kerry was an influential member of the democratic party, who represents the thoughts and ideals of the party.

Also, the last I checked, he was the senator from Mass.

I hope you enjoyed the movie.........

 

[sigh]

So just who is the Junior Senator from Massachusetts?

:laughing at myself:

New rule. Never post in a hurry as you're trying to get out the door. Jeez, how embarrassing is that?

(Turning on my heel and running from the thread. The cut and run jokes may now commence.)

 

[sigh]

Last I looked, John Kerry was an influential member of the democratic party, who represents the thoughts and ideals of the party.

Also, the last I checked, he was the senator from Mass.

I hope you enjoyed the movie.........

It was....shoot, I can't remember....Flushed Away, or something like that. Yet another animated movie with the kid who'll never outgrow them. I enjoyed watching my kid laugh a lot more than I enjoyed the movie. All in all, we had a good time.

 

[garbage can]

It was....shoot, I can't remember....Flushed Away, or something like that. Yet another animated movie with the kid who'll never outgrow them. I enjoyed watching my kid laugh a lot more than I enjoyed the movie. All in all, we had a good time.

Sigh, glad you had a good time.

I know, that you know your politics. You were probably thinking "Gore", but wrote "Kerry" as you were rushing out the door....

 

[Malachi]

It was....shoot, I can't remember....Flushed Away, or something like that. Yet another animated movie with the kid who'll never outgrow them. I enjoyed watching my kid laugh a lot more than I enjoyed the movie. All in all, we had a good time.

Spirited Away?

 

[sigh]

Sigh, glad you had a good time.

I know, that you know your politics. You were probably thinking "Gore", but wrote "Kerry" as you were rushing out the door....

While I'm tempted to take that excuse and run with it (thanks for the kind offer), I can't. I was thinking Kerry as I typed Kerry. Fact is, I just fucked up.

Now I'll just have to learn to live with the shame.

*sniffle*

 

[sigh]

Spirited Away?

No, this is a new one. About a pet rat from a ritzy London neighborhood who gets flushed down the toilet and has to learn to get by amongst his sewer cousins.

Actually, I just looked it up. Flushed Away is in fact its name.

It had enough adult jokes to make it a pleasant diversion.

 

[Malachi]

No, this is a new one. About a pet rat from a ritzy London neighborhood who gets flushed down the toilet and has to learn to get by amongst his sewer cousins.

Actually, I just looked it up. Flushed Away is in fact its name.

It had enough adult jokes to make it a pleasant diversion.

I see. It got pretty good reviews. Should probably check that one out.

 

[garbage can]

While I'm tempted to take that excuse and run with it (thanks for the kind offer), I can't. I was thinking Kerry as I typed Kerry. Fact is, I just fucked up.

Now I'll just have to learn to live with the shame.

*sniffle*

It's already forgotten.............

 

[Ishmael]

An op-ed with no link? Bullshit. Provide a link to the papers that actually state Iraq was one year away from having a nuke.

Not an Op-ed, a front page news article. The article in it's entirety is here on Lit in a BB thread along with the link.

You really should educate yourself.

Ishmael

 

[busybody..]

Let's synopsize here. Even hard core Dems are agreeing with you. So why are you still talking after the deal is done? Hmmmmm?

Ishmael

I disagree

and I dont believe you agree that Dumz belive he was wrong

They believe he was wrong to have said so at the time he said it!

They believe he is in fact, RIGHT!

 

[busybody..]

An op-ed with no link? Bullshit. Provide a link to the papers that actually state Iraq was one year away from having a nuke.

This stuff is getting OLD where your type just SHOOT all the messangers

The Times tried to kill Bush with the news,

BUT

they forgot to take out 2002, a date which was in the documents

so in effect in 2002 SH was THISCLOSE to having a NUKE!

if you so it aint so, why did the times SCREAM at Bush for publishing a doc that could show Iran how to have a NUKE?

or are you saying that SH knew how to, but never would

If you dont read MY THREADS, all of em with all the shit therein, you will remain, DUMB

 

[TWB]

Speaking of dumb things to say, maybe you Kerry Bashers can tell me what current white house advisor said that military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy?

 

[Pookie]

Speaking of dumb things to say, maybe you Kerry Bashers can tell me what current white house advisor said that military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy?

Doesn't matter, dude. This mid-term election is a referendum on John Kerry, doncha know?

 

[TheOlderGuy]

This is part of an analysis of a New York Times story from post 582.
If you read it closely, you'll note the NYT is reporting that Saddam was a year away from having nukes.

"The ineptitude of the media when so single-mindedly pursuing a predetermined target is almost staggering. Not only had the article already, in the name of showing the incompetence of the Bush administration (and, by extension in this election season, of the Republican Party as a whole) to maintain America’s national security, admitted that Saddam’s government had been actively pursuing chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, but in that one brief paragraph they pulled the rest of the “Bush lied” and “Iraq was no threat” house of cards completely to the ground, with the contention that in 2002 – on the very eve of the Iraq invasion – Saddam was less than one year away from building an atomic bomb. America seems to have made it there just in time."

the above quote, of course, is NOT from the NYT, op-ed or front page. it's from an "analysis" of the Times article by Jeff Emanuel, a college student in Georgia who writes for Townhall.com. i let you judge his credentials on your own. most of his bio links were dead ends.

below is also from his analysis, and actually quotes what he describes as the most damning statement in the Times article.


Perhaps the most damning statement in the Times’ article was the following:

“Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf War. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.”

because the date 2002 appears in the same paragragh as the phrase 'as little as a year away', these dudes think they have some magical smoking gun that proves that Saddam had WMD's. that's it. that's their entire argument. read it. fascinating, eh?

 

[Ham Murabi]

the above quote, of course, is NOT from the NYT, op-ed or front page. it's from an "analysis" of the Times article by Jeff Emanuel, a college student in Georgia who writes for Townhall.com. i let you judge his credentials on your own. most of his bio links were dead ends.

below is also from his analysis, and actually quotes what he describes as the most damning statement in the Times article.


Perhaps the most damning statement in the Times’ article was the following:

“Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf War. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.”

because the date 2002 appears in the same paragragh as the phrase 'as little as a year away', these dudes think they have some magical smoking gun that proves that Saddam had WMD's. that's it. that's their entire argument. read it. fascinating, eh?

No, the smoking guns were reported years ago after the invasion. Sarin, processed uranium, triggers for nukes, stuff like that.