This just absolutely pisses me off

[Guest]

Untill 9/11 every terrorist act on american soil was commited by domestic terrorists.

McVeigh, the various radical right militias, Project 7 or whatever the number of it was out in Idaho, the anti-abortion terrorists, lynch mobs(yes i would call that domestic terrorism) Should I keep going?

I never said we didnt have domestic terrorism. BTW, you are wrong about every act before 9/11 was domestic.
Remember the WTC was bombed in ,I believe, 1995?

pagan, find it yourself.
PC, your lame insults show your level of maturity.

 

[Calamity Jane]

last time I checked, NYers didnt have terrorist cells.

No, but following your logic here... Irish people live in NY and there are Irish terrorists, so we can assume that the Irish in NY are IRA sympathizers and we should round them up.

 

[Problem Child]

PC, your lame insults show your level of maturity.

I forgot hairy. A smelly, hairy, buttnugget.

P-U!

 

[Guest]

No, but following your logic here... Irish people live in NY and there are Irish terrorists, so we can assume that the Irish in NY are IRA sympathizers and we should round them up.

I get more stimulating conversation from my dog.
Nowheres did I say or infer that ALL middle easterners are terrorists. I said some terrorists come from that region. Big diff.

 

[Azwed]

I never said we didnt have domestic terrorism. BTW, you are wrong about every act before 9/11 was domestic.
Remember the WTC was bombed in ,I believe, 1995?

pagan, find it yourself.
PC, your lame insults show your level of maturity.

It was in 1993 just after Clinton took office and I had a brain fart about it.


This is the first article I have found so far but I will look for more.
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/11/inv.ins.hijackers/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) said Thursday at least nine of the 19 hijackers were in the United States legally on September 11. Of four others who had been granted nonimmigrant visas, at least three had overstayed those visas. The INS said it has no conclusive records yet on the remaining six hijackers.

The agency stressed its information is incomplete as investigators continue to learn more about when and how the hijackers entered the U.S.

The information was released after INS Commissioner James Ziglar, appearing before a Congressional panel Thursday, said he believed 10 of the hijackers had been in the U.S. legally at the time of the attacks.

The uncertainty may arise from the undetermined status of hijacker Hani Hanjour, who was admitted on a student visa in December, 2000, but INS was unable to determine whether he was still in lawful status on September 11.

The status of the hijackers was among issues raised by lawmakers when the House Immigration Subcommittee met to consider ways to better secure the nation's borders.

The hearing focused largely on the use of new technologies to better control who travels into and out of the United States.

"We must work with advanced technology and do all we can to improve our systems, but we should not mislead ourselves into thinking that technology alone can solve our problems," Ziglar testified.

Ziglar, who has been at the helm of the INS for only two months, cautioned against overreacting to the terrorist attacks.

"If, in response to the events of September 11, we engage in excess and shut out what has made America great, then we will have given terrorists a far greater victory than they could have hoped to achieve," Ziglar said.

INS information on the individual hijackers identified by the FBI
According to the Immigration and Naturalization Service:

1) Khalid Al-Midhar was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in July, 2001. He appears to have been in lawful status on 9/11.

2) Majed Moqed was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in May, 2001. He appears to have been in lawful status on 9/11.

3) Nawaq Alhamzi was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in January, 2000. He appears to have overstayed the period the authorized time and was out of legal status on 9/11.

4) Salem Alhamzi was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in June, 2001. He appears to have been in lawful status on 9/11.

5) Hani Hanjour was admitted as a nonimmigrant student in student in December, 2000. INS is unable to determine at this time whether this subject was in lawful status on 9/11.

6) Satam Al Suqami: INS is unable to find any record relating to this name.

7) Waleed Alshehri was admitted in June, 2000, as a nonimmigrant, and appears to have been in illegal status on 9/11.

8) Wail Alshehri: INS is unable to find any record relating to this name.

9) Mohamed Atta was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in July, 2001 and appears to have been in legal status on 9/11.

10) Abdulaziz Alomari is believed to have been admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in June, 2001. He appears to have been in lawful status on 9/11.

11) Marwan Al-Shehhi was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in May, 2001 and appears to have been in lawful status on 9/11.

12) Fayez Ahmed: INS is unable to confirm any relating record based on current information available.

13) Ahmed Alghamdi is believed to have been admitted as a nonimmigrant student and appears to have overstayed his authorized period of time in the U.S. before 9/11.

14) Hamza Alghamdi: INS is unable to confirm any relating record based on current information available.

15) Mohald Alshehri: INS is unable to confirm any relating record based on current information available.

16) Saeed Al ghamdi: INS is unable to confirm any relating record based on current information available.

17) Ahmed Alhaznawi was admitted as a nonimmigrant visitor in June, 2001 and appears to have been in legal status on 9/11.

18) Ahmed Alnami was admitted as a nonimmigtrant visitor in May, 2001 and appears to have been in legal status on 9/11.

19) Ziad Jarrahi was admitted to the U.S. as a nonimmigrant in July, 2001 and appears to have been in legal status on 9/11.


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These people were all here legaly and would not have been caught by an INS sweep.


You are incredibly naive and ignorant if you think any terrorist organization is going to use people here illegaly for this type of operation. An operation like this would require lots of planning and time in order for the operatives to get jobs with access at the target location.

That means they will be in the US legaly or have well forged papers making it look like they are legal. If a terrorist organization wanted to pull off a quick and dirty attack they would use illegals.

Examples of this would be an attack on a large crowd of people in an open area with gunmen. A parade in NYC would be a good place to start or a parade in LA.

The operatives would only be in the US for a short period of time and therefore going through the hassel of making them legal would be a waste of resources.

 

[patient1]

last time I checked, NYers didnt have terrorist cells.

Yeah, didn't they drive that truck bomb which detonated in The World Trade Center all the way from Jersey City?

 

[Calamity Jane]

Nowheres did I say or infer that ALL middle easterners are terrorists. I said some terrorists come from that region. Big diff.

Nevermind. I'm laughing to hard to type.

 

[Guest]

Yeah, didn't they drive that truck bomb which detonated in The World Trade Center all the way from Jersey City?

were the terrorists American?
pagan, I laugh at you for how ignorant you are.

 

[patient1]

Never was right in her sigline.
I should have listened to her.

 

[Guest]

Never was right in her sigline.
I should have listened to her.

oh another one who hates when someone disagrees with them.

 

[Problem Child]

I think Frimost and Killswitch mated.

 

[Calamity Jane]

I think Frimost and Killswitch mated.

 

[Azwed]

I think Frimost and Killswitch mated.

Yes and they created a nimrod with giant incisors. Perfect for mining coal with your mouth.

 

[CoolidgEffect]

you're right, ALL white males should be suspect
how often does something like the McVeigh situation happen? Not often enough to warrant monitoring. You people love comparing apples to oranges. Yes there are domestic terrorists but how much of a threat have they been?

It depends on how you measure threat.

Number incidents? Casualties? Duration of the terror spree?

On US soil (off the top of my head)
Comercial planes have been used once as a bomb.

Ryder Rental trucks once.

Then you have that Harvard Graduate, Ted Kaczynski whose reign of terror lasted 18 years.

Or Benjamin Nathaniel Smith, a member of a white supremicist group, who went on a three-day shooting rampage in which he targeted racial and religious minorities in Illinois and Indiana.

The Snipers in MD and VA weren't muslim either.

So Terrorists might use planes, truck, the mail or a rifle. And they aren't always born in the middle east.

Racial profiling will give the experts an excuse when they miss the next big one.

 

[modest mouse]

My money says the next terrorists are nine mentally unstable white guys from Boston who try and blow up Fenway park to end decades of suffering and disappointment.

Douchebag.

Go Red Sox!

 

[Guest]

It depends on how you measure threat.

Number incidents? Casualties? Duration of the terror spree?

all 3 and yes, the incidents you listed did not involve muslims but many other attacks do.
So just because they are not involved in every attack that means they are not a threat?
puhleeese.

 

[CoolidgEffect]

all 3 and yes, the incidents you listed did not involve muslims but many other attacks do.
So just because they are not involved in every attack that means they are not a threat?
puhleeese.

The number of hate crimes commited by non-arabs in this country far out number those by arabs. Unless they are all done in secret.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

The number of hate crimes commited by non-arabs in this country far out number those by arabs. Unless they are all done in secret.

I hate beets. Does that count?

 

[Guest]

The number of hate crimes commited by non-arabs in this country far out number those by arabs. Unless they are all done in secret.

no argument here. The term "hate crime" bothers me though but thats another topic.

 

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[CoolidgEffect]

I don't get it DeSade.

Are you or are you not insinuating Arabs are a threat? When you say "they" it just sounds like you are refering to all Arabs and you lump Saudi Arabia with Iraq.

However, you protest that you do not infer that ALL middle easterners are terrorists.

It is just not coming out clear.

 

[CoolidgEffect]

Yeah they were.

Oh, Damn your right. smacks head. Uhmm. They werent' middle eastern!

Going to check CNN arichives.

*edited because of crappy spelling.

 

[CoolidgEffect]

I hate beets. Does that count?

Is this an endangered species of beets? Otherwise, no, I don't think it counts.

 

[Guest]