Minimum age for being in Porn should be 21 or older...

[NightBirdNYC]

I noticed you wrote "So serving in the military in a non-combat capacity is relatively safe." As my husband served at the end of the Vietnam era, things were different then according to what he has shared with me. But these days. we have both men and women serving who are not shielded from what often leads to death, and that unfortunately doesn't get limited by age, even if it should...

 

[UsuallyPresent]

Age is a poor metric for self-awareness & forethought. It's what was originally used because that's what was available, and led to such things as people writing "18" in their shoes so they could convince themselves they could legally claim to "be over 18" (it's not legal, but people believe all sorts of craziness)

Assuming this is truly a concern for immature people screwing up their lives, you'll have a much harder row to hoe. How do you intrinsically show 'maturity'? Would Forrest Gump be considered mature by your metrics? How do you ensure your metrics are blind to culture, among many other factors that screw with such tests? How do you ensure the testing is repeatable (so that it always reports the same findings for the same conditions) & can't be faked out (like 'over 18', as above)?

 

[LMWM321]

I noticed you wrote "So serving in the military in a non-combat capacity is relatively safe." As my husband served at the end of the Vietnam era, things were different then according to what he has shared with me. But these days. we have both men and women serving who are not shielded from what often leads to death, and that unfortunately doesn't get limited by age, even if it should...

I don't follow what you're saying.

Just because the military doesn't do a better job of keeping young people out of harm's way doesn't mean we can't do a better job of keeping young people from destroying their lives by performing in a porn film.

 

[LMWM321]

Age is a poor metric for self-awareness & forethought. It's what was originally used because that's what was available,

How do you intrinsically show 'maturity'? Would Forrest Gump be considered mature by your metrics? How do you ensure your metrics are blind to culture, among many other factors that screw with such tests?

Again.. The fact that there is no perfect way of assessing whether someone is mature enough to fully understand the life long impacts of being in porn, is a poor reason to not raise the minimum age well past 18. The neuroscience I mentioned earlier in the thread is where we currently stand in our understanding - to ignore it because we think it's imperfect (or maybe just because we like seeing 18 yr olds in porn) seems dangerous.

I'll say it again, a person needs to be 21 to buy cigarettes, and alcohol, yet neither of these are as certain to instantly damage a young women's life as being in a pornographic film. An 18 year old can experiment with smokes and beer and come away unscathed. But not so with Porn - if an 18 year old girl does a single porno, she will NEVER be able to work with children as a teacher, coach, or counselor. Porn Actress is not a protected class under Equal Opportunity Act. Plus, she and her children (if she has them) will be stigmatized until the day when adult performers are no longer stigmatized - a day we may all wish for but may never come.

The idea of a very young woman severally limiting her career options before she even turns 19, strikes an empathetic chord with me, but apparently not everyone.

 

[IARainman]

Well... that's you. That may be pragmatic but that doesn't means it's good policy. Are you indifferent to young people harming their lives?

So, it's only women who can't make those decisions? I notice you don't want to ban 18 yo men from porn.

Making decisions about appearing in adult films are more important than putting your life on the line for your country or choose the nations leaders.

I suggest you may want to better develop your convictions before taking a stand.

 

[NightBirdNYC]

I don't follow what you're saying.

Just because the military doesn't do a better job of keeping young people out of harm's way doesn't mean we can't do a better job of keeping young people from destroying their lives by performing in a porn film.

With all due respect, I would simply say that the sheer numbers of porn actors who you say suffer later in life (not getting jobs etc) pale in comparison to those who are either dead or living homeless after serving their country.

 

[LMWM321]

So, it's only women who can't make those decisions? I notice you don't want to ban 18 yo men from porn.

Making decisions about appearing in adult films are more important than putting your life on the line for your country or choose the nations leaders.

I suggest you may want to better develop your convictions before taking a stand.

Yes, 18 year-old men, too. Same reasons..

Do you know any mental health practitioners who treat young adults? Psychiatrists, Pschologists, Therapists?? If so, I suggest you ask them what the minimum age should be. Better yet, don't. You won't like the answer.

 

[LMWM321]

With all due respect, I would simply say that the sheer numbers of porn actors who you say suffer later in life (not getting jobs etc) pale in comparison to those who are either dead or living homeless after serving their country.

Again... How does that weigh in to this? Yes... It's a fucking crime how we treat our vets. Agreed!

But that doesn't mean we should not do a better job of preventing 18 year old boys and girls from permanently fucking up their lives by doing a porno - something that NEVER goes away. ..It will live on forever on the internet to follow them wherever they go. I think a 21 year-old (or, better yet, 25) will have a much better understanding of the sacrifices he/ she is making by being in Porn than an 18 year old.

 

[bobb64]

With all due respect, I would simply say that the sheer numbers of porn actors who you say suffer later in life (not getting jobs etc) pale in comparison to those who are either dead or living homeless after serving their country.

He's got it in his head that only he knows when people are old enough to make decisions, and nothing is going to change his mind.

 

[Pabiporffor]

Are there any 18 year olds in porn? To me they all look like 25-30 year olds in pigtails.

 

[LMWM321]

Are there any 18 year olds in porn? To me they all look like 25-30 year olds in pigtails.

That would be better than an actual 18 yr old

 

[kyblue12]

Hi again..... bringing out this old, dead horse for another beating huh? In a previous thread you argued that there were other issues that rendered your dude in distress in that thread incapable of consent. Are we placing a similar assumption on all 18 year olds? Or do you accept that it probably should be looked at on an 18 year old by 18 year old basis?

 

[dirk2024]

Hi again..... bringing out this old, dead horse for another beating huh? In a previous thread you argued that there were other issues that rendered your dude in distress in that thread incapable of consent. Are we placing a similar assumption on all 18 year olds? Or do you accept that it probably should be looked at on an 18 year old by 18 year old basis?

Some people simply want to bang dead drums even when no one else is enjoying the music.

 

[kyblue12]

 

[Musinginspace]

Here we go again the moral expert and his 18 year olds can't make a decision.

Except when it involves joining the military to go to war and 'defend' the country and kill another human being.

 

[LMWM321]

Hi again..... bringing out this old, dead horse for another beating huh? In a previous thread you argued that there were other issues that rendered your dude in distress in that thread incapable of consent. Are we placing a similar assumption on all 18 year olds? Or do you accept that it probably should be looked at on an 18 year old by 18 year old basis?

"looked at on an 18 year old by 18 year old basis??" Hmm.. Is that what happens at bars? Are bartenders legally allowed to serve some under-age patrons but not others based on their personal assessment of their maturity?

Of course it isn't. If you're not 21, you're not to be served alcohol.

And it's laughable you accuse me of repetition instead of giving me credit for starting a thread about something other than Hotwifes, Cuckholding, or "Is my 5" penis big enough to please a woman?"

 

[Chernosoth]

Porn is very physical. The endurance fucking in many scenes require fitness that most people don't have, especially when hours are done to get 30-40 minutes of porn. Young people have faster recovery time after strenuous physical activity. Raising the minimum age could reduce the length of scenes or length of shoots, which maybe would be an improvement. Many scenes are just repetitive motion. But mostly I expect this to become a moot point as rising expenses reduce the porn industry.

 

[Chernosoth]

Working with kids is also becoming less of a career range as we have less kids.

 

[40sBiCuckCple]

So the US has legislation in place that prevents someone who's worked in porn from working with children, in law enforcement etc? Seems pretty Draconian.
If I owned a children's nursery (I think you'd call them kindergartens) and I had 2 applicants, one who had worked in porn and one who owned a dozen guns, it wouldn't be the gun owner getting the job.
And there are many, many things we do when we're young adults that impacts our later lives and the lives of our children. Where do you draw the line with regards to government interference in personal choices?

So “Owning a gun” is a bad thing? Owning “more than one gun” is worse? Having “been in a porn film” is”good”? Bad”?

 

[OneEyedSteve]

So “Owning a gun” is a bad thing? Owning “more than one gun” is worse? Having “been in a porn film” is”good”? Bad”?

I don't have an opinion on those who have worked in porn. You've referenced my position on who I would employ, a former porn worker or a gun owner, and I made my position perfectly clear

 

[LMWM321]

Working with kids is also becoming less of a career range as we have less kids.

That's your response? ..We should be okay letting 18 year olds potentially blowup their lives, including precluding a post-porn career in teaching, coaching, counseling children, because WHY? "Well there's gonna be fewer kids in the future."

The conclusion I'm drawing from the majority (but not all) of responses in this thread, is that many Literotica members have a tremendous empathy deficit. Maybe that shouldn't be so surprising.

 

[Chernosoth]

That's your response? ..We should be okay letting 18 year olds potentially blowup their lives, including precluding a post-porn career in teaching, coaching, counseling children, because WHY? "Well there's gonna be fewer kids in the future."

The conclusion I'm drawing from the majority (but not all) of responses in this thread, is that many Literotica members have a tremendous empathy deficit. Maybe that shouldn't be so surprising.

Many people are chasing dreams of careers that won't happen, which they don't realize until they can't get jobs and can't pay their student loans. We can't make their choices for them.

 

[LMWM321]

Many people are chasing dreams of careers that won't happen, which they don't realize until they can't get jobs and can't pay their student loans. We can't make their choices for them.

So, should we allow 18 year-olds to drink alcohol?

 

[LMWM321]

So “Owning a gun” is a bad thing? Owning “more than one gun” is worse? Having “been in a porn film” is”good”? Bad”?

Yes… Owning a dozen guns is a bad thing, goes well beyond what is necessary to protect the home or hunt. IMHO, It falls into the gun fetishist category. And yes, I would rather a porn actress teach my kids than a gun fetishist, so long as her work is “ethical porn” - ie., no violence, no misogyny, racism, or non-consent. But we are getting away from the topic.

 

[bobb64]

Yes… Owning a dozen guns is a bad thing, goes well beyond what is necessary to protect the home or hunt. IMHO, It falls into the gun fetishist category. And yes, I would rather a porn actress teach my kids than a gun fetishist, so long as her work is “ethical porn” - ie., no violence, no misogyny, racism, or non-consent. But we are getting away from the topic.

If somebody owns a dozen guns it's nobodys business but his if an 18 year old wants to get into porn it's still nobodys business maybe you should take care of your own.