The Safety of Our Children

[lavender]

 

[70/30]

It's the porn.

 

[glamorilla]

i think part of it's a cycle.

molesting or harming a child in his/her formative years creates behavioral problems.

when that abused child reaches sexual maturity they're already trained to respond to certain stimulus.

it takes a strong adult to break that pattern and make sure it doesn't continue.

 

[huskie]

I doubt theres any more than there used to be. It's just that the news is covering it more than before.
Just plain sick people I think. I don't think society has as much to do with it as some would like to think. For a person to do those sort of things to another person, Knowing full well the terror it puts into that child, the only logical answer is that they are truely sick. Maybe sick from a real bad up bringing, but sick none the less.

 

[Orwell84]

I think the people doing these things are just sick wackos. I also think they prey on children because most of these perps are adults who are taking advantage of their size and strength. It is reallly hard for a small child to fight off one of these perps. Kill the bastards, the whole lot of them. I've had it with these people.

 

[KillerMuffin]

The only way to get rid of pedophiles is to get rid of pedophiles through castration or death. They've been here since the beginning of humanity and won't go away.

Why they are the way they are is varied depending on the individual and there really isn't a way to break their cycle without being societally more intrusive into the family.

The problem is that once a person is a pedophile the odds are too strong that they will always be a pedophile. The sex drive is very strong and most pedos who stoop are too weak to resist it already.

Castrate them and you'll solve the problem.

Other than that, you're stuck with them.

This is that nasty little rub, freedom versus security. The more security we have, the more protection we have from bad people, the less rights we have and the less freedom we have to make decisions.

It's like living in a gated community. You're safe, people are not going to break into your house, steal your children from the street, or rape you while you jog through the neighbor hood.

But you have a limited of number of colors that you can paint your house. You can only let your grass grow so tall. You can't have certain kinds of pets. You can't have younger children. Your guests must all sign in. You're only allowed certain kinds of vegetation. You can't have a pool of your own, you have to use the club house.

Security or freedom. You can't have them both.

 

[Guest]

 

[brokenbrainwave]

speaking of child safety, the jury just came back with a guilty verdict against David Westerfield. The system does work occasionally.....

 

[Orwell84]

speaking of child safety, the jury just came back with a guilty verdict against David Westerfield. The system does work occasionally.....

Great, let's schedule the execution ASAP.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Great, let's schedule the execution ASAP.

wait the ACLU would say he is a victim so we cannot do that or KM's great idea

 

[JazzManJim]

I believe that husky has it pretty much right ont he head. There haven't been any greater a number of abductions this year. The ones which have happened have been heavily publicized, must like the shark attacks were before September 11. Right now we're suffering from a lack of perspective, but we still only suffer an average of 100 stranger abductions per year.

What concerns me more with these abductions is the lack of any parental intelligence (for most of them, anyhow). These are stories of parents doing some really stupid things: letting their kids wander off unattended, not reacting when someone grabs their child, and so on. I think that if parents pay the right reasonable level of attention, the chances of their child being abducted is astronomical.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Before the early 80s affiliate news programs were expected to lose money. That changed. Viewers had to be brought in at any cost to drive advertising rates (so the nets could compete with cable). So local news began reporting more violent crime and rape stories, and focused on stories "You need to know, or die!" It's all just being reported more.

 

[lavender]

 

[Guest]

I can only reitterate previous comments.
It's a cyclic problem. During a child's formative years, behavior, moral codes, and personality are molded. Sadly, the abused grow up to be abusers.
The fear of sexual discussion does not help matters. And telling your child that she/he is not obligated to obey the commands of just any adult- well, it would help.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

No. The ACLU would say what happened was terrible. The ACLU would say that they are opposed to the death penalty categorically. The ACLU would say that castration is cruel and unusual punishment.

The ACLU would remember that even in times when we want to react harshly, the Constitution must remain paramount.

Think about it.

lavy, it really was just a slap at a group I do not respect personally. Even the ACLU, while supporting such groups as NAMBLA and their right to exsist, would find this man disgusting.

 

[Orwell84]

wait the ACLU would say he is a victim so we cannot do that or KM's great idea

F--- the ACLU. They haven't got a CLU.

 

[lavender]

 

[badbabysitter]

The only way to get rid of pedophiles is to get rid of pedophiles through castration or death. They've been here since the beginning of humanity and won't go away.

Castrate them and you'll solve the problem.

Other than that, you're stuck with them.

This is that nasty little rub, freedom versus security. The more security we have, the more protection we have from bad people, the less rights we have and the less freedom we have to make decisions.

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You just answered yourself, if pedohiles have always been here, killing them wont do a damn thing. Despite executing murderers, murders still occur.

As for castration, that falls under cruel and usual punishment...but chemical castration..thats a better idea, it exsists and it does help, and the best part is, alot of these disgusting freaks willingly take the chemical castrators

As for security..welcome to the new America, land of the technically free , home of the angry brave.

 

[Orwell84]

Rush Limbaugh meets Tori Spelling.

A conservative rah rah girl - or boy.

I'm not a conservative, and don't generally have a problem with the ACLU. More accurately, I should have said that the kind of perps we're discussing in this thread deserve to die, and neither the ACLU, nor any other group, should stand in the way of these perps getting what they deserve.

 

[Lost Cause]

Cruel and unusual punishment?...

Compared to what was done to these kids? We should do what the Romans did in the areas, let the offender castrate themselves in front of the crowd. When a society says "we're too civilized for killing in retribution", then the barbarians have already won.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

The ACLU would remember that even in times when we want to react harshly, the Constitution must remain paramount.

The Constitution is not paramount with the ACLU or they would defend all of it, not just the parts they think are important. Besides, the Constitution is not gospel - the principles behind it are what is paramount. There are civil rights we have that are not elucidated in the Constitution, and the ACLU pushes "rights" that we don't have (such as affirmative action); what right does a person have to keep the fact that they are HIV positive hidden from their sexual partners?

 

[badbabysitter]

The Romans also had vomitoriums, beleived in slavery, crucified people, incest was common in royalty, people were killed publicly for sport

also on your rant against aspects of islam...they tend to kill people who go against their morality...want to be like them?

Not saying pedophilia is right ...its down right hideously wrong..but do we devolve to primitive eye for an eye barbarims ... after all America has hung innocent women for being witches in the past

 

[badbabysitter]

, and the ACLU pushes "rights" that we don't have (such as affirmative action); what right does a person have to keep the fact that they are HIV positive hidden from their sexual partners?

The Hiv thing is a helth issue

affirmative action.. I thought all were supposed to be equal under the law...

 

[MissTaken]

Castration doesn't work

Why?

Because there is no way to deprive the pedophile of the drive and stimulus to seek out specific types of children and molest them.

It isn't all about getting off.

They still have fingers and hands. They can still cause harm.


At best, with years and years of voluntary treatment, they may learn to recognize stimuli and have an alternate plan for behavior, if they choose to use it. Wow! I would hate to have to relay on a ped to make a good choice with regard to my babes..

AS for the rest of the statement, great discussion. So great, I have nothing new to add.

*sneaking out the back door*

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

The Hiv thing is a helth issue

Exactly! Why is the ACLU taking a stance that says that HIV positive people have a right to keep their status private from their sexual partners when that status can harm their partners? Don't their partners have the right to know?

affirmative action.. I thought all were supposed to be equal under the law...

How does giving someone preference in a job due to their race or gender make all people equal under the law?