The crux of the matter

[Kindfarmer]

The lack of urgency disturbs me. We need to be fixing the planet. Habitat restoration, reforestation. Rewilding. Also, finally deal with the 800 pound gorilla in the room, Carbon. Not only must we absolutely positively stop, ban for all time is extraction, we must sequester at least 2,000,000,000,000 tons from the atmosphere, turn them into a valuable solid or, our species is through. Along with count with others. Seems a shame to meet a waste 4 billion years of evolution. I’m certainly not speaking of Homosapien. We’re skin parasite on the planet. But the hundreds of thousands if not millions of other genius, species are innocent bystanders and will obviously be collateral damage from our lack of awareness. Not at some far off date you can’t comprehend because you know you’ll probably be dead by then. It could happen any time. Any day really. Our combination of extreme temperatures and moisture variability along with our modern system of no inventory, six months of food on hand at any given time and we produce it on an annual basis. When the food wars start, the cascade effect will be unpredictable, unbelievable, and unstoppable. It’s a miracle it hasn’t already.

Also, I would contend, we need to save and restore the Republic. A Constitutional reaffirmation, I would call it.

Both, an incredibly heavy lift by themselves. Unfathomable, at least to me, together.
Part of me feels like Gene Kranz at mission control during Apollo 13. This will be our end or our finest hour. Well, realistically they had 1 billion times greater chance of getting home then we do saving the 3rd rock has something we would recognize 100 years from now. I am taking side bitch by the way, Permian redux or Mars. I’m glad I’m alive right now. It’s going to be interesting, to say the least. It would be cool to see a supernova before I take the trip also, but not relevant.

But no. We’re fighting fascism and despotism or, worse yet, happily choosing between the two, somehow thinking if my side wins, it’s decent government.

Julius Gaius Caesar and the boys, Sula, Crassius, Mark Anthony, Romulus, Scipio, Titus, would have crucified as all from the steps of the Senate down the Appian way to the gates of Naples. Cesar would’ve been so pissed off, he would’ve made sure a mathematician made certain our crucifixes were equally spaced.

I don’t know how else to tell you other than, we are failing.

We as in “we the people”

Miserably, I’m afraid.

 

[dkovic77]

The lack of urgency disturbs me. We need to be fixing the planet. Habitat restoration, reforestation. Rewilding. Also, finally deal with the 800 pound gorilla in the room, Carbon. Not only must we absolutely positively stop, ban for all time is extraction, we must sequester at least 2,000,000,000,000 tons from the atmosphere, turn them into a valuable solid or, our species is through. Along with count with others. Seems a shame to meet a waste 4 billion years of evolution. I’m certainly not speaking of Homosapien. We’re skin parasite on the planet. But the hundreds of thousands if not millions of other genius, species are innocent bystanders and will obviously be collateral damage from our lack of awareness. Not at some far off date you can’t comprehend because you know you’ll probably be dead by then. It could happen any time. Any day really. Our combination of extreme temperatures and moisture variability along with our modern system of no inventory, six months of food on hand at any given time and we produce it on an annual basis. When the food wars start, the cascade effect will be unpredictable, unbelievable, and unstoppable. It’s a miracle it hasn’t already.

Also, I would contend, we need to save and restore the Republic. A Constitutional reaffirmation, I would call it.

Both, an incredibly heavy lift by themselves. Unfathomable, at least to me, together.
Part of me feels like Gene Kranz at mission control during Apollo 13. This will be our end or our finest hour. Well, realistically they had 1 billion times greater chance of getting home then we do saving the 3rd rock has something we would recognize 100 years from now. I am taking side bitch by the way, Permian redux or Mars. I’m glad I’m alive right now. It’s going to be interesting, to say the least. It would be cool to see a supernova before I take the trip also, but not relevant.

But no. We’re fighting fascism and despotism or, worse yet, happily choosing between the two, somehow thinking if my side wins, it’s decent government.

Julius Gaius Caesar and the boys, Sula, Crassius, Mark Anthony, Romulus, Scipio, Titus, would have crucified as all from the steps of the Senate down the Appian way to the gates of Naples. Cesar would’ve been so pissed off, he would’ve made sure a mathematician made certain our crucifixes were equally spaced.

I don’t know how else to tell you other than, we are failing.

We as in “we the people”

Miserably, I’m afraid.

C’mon dude. Trying to point out Legit arguments to these MAGA halfwits is always pointless. They don’t believe in science, unless it proves whites are superior. Then they cling to it.

I remember when we got our first snow storm in 2017 and DJT tweeted his joke about global warming. So predictable.

They are not about facts of any kind, but your heart is in the right place. Of course you will just get ridicule here since it’s something the MAGA crowd wants to just yell about it.

These new republicans are not even sure what they stand for. So if it seems like you are telling them things are bad and they should curtail something they just yell freedom! (Right Linus?).

We will figure this out once we put the constant distraction of DJT behind us, which most will agree is probably the real reason he is still even a thing… why deal with issues when you can yell about it and get nothing done.

 

[Kindfarmer]

C’mon dude. Trying to point out Legit arguments to these MAGA halfwits is always pointless. They don’t believe in science, unless it proves whites are superior. Then they cling to it.

I remember when we got our first snow storm in 2017 and DJT tweeted his joke about global warming. So predictable.

They are not about facts of any kind, but your heart is in the right place. Of course you will just get ridicule here since it’s something the MAGA crowd wants to just yell about it.

These new republicans are not even sure what they stand for. So if it seems like you are telling them things are bad and they should curtail something they just yell freedom! (Right Linus?).

We will figure this out once we put the constant distraction of DJT behind us, which most will agree is probably the real reason he is still even a thing… why deal with issues when you can yell about it and get nothing done.

Have to give you all of that. Well said.
You know, come to think of it, a sizable portion of the people you just referred to didn’t even give a fuck about politic, until there was a black man living in the White House. I have have to say from a purely scientific viewpoint, your optimism is encouraging in probably misplaced. If that’s the case, at least it is so in the right direction! If that’s the case, at least it is so in the right direction

I sincerely appreciate the inspiration. Thank you. Peace

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The lack of urgency disturbs me. We need to be fixing the planet. Habitat restoration, reforestation. Rewilding. Also, finally deal with the 800 pound gorilla in the room, Carbon. Not only must we absolutely positively stop, ban for all time is extraction, we must sequester at least 2,000,000,000,000 tons from the atmosphere, turn them into a valuable solid or, our species is through. Along with count with others. Seems a shame to meet a waste 4 billion years of evolution. I’m certainly not speaking of Homosapien. We’re skin parasite on the planet. But the hundreds of thousands if not millions of other genius, species are innocent bystanders and will obviously be collateral damage from our lack of awareness. Not at some far off date you can’t comprehend because you know you’ll probably be dead by then. It could happen any time. Any day really. Our combination of extreme temperatures and moisture variability along with our modern system of no inventory, six months of food on hand at any given time and we produce it on an annual basis. When the food wars start, the cascade effect will be unpredictable, unbelievable, and unstoppable. It’s a miracle it hasn’t already.

Also, I would contend, we need to save and restore the Republic. A Constitutional reaffirmation, I would call it.

Both, an incredibly heavy lift by themselves. Unfathomable, at least to me, together.
Part of me feels like Gene Kranz at mission control during Apollo 13. This will be our end or our finest hour. Well, realistically they had 1 billion times greater chance of getting home then we do saving the 3rd rock has something we would recognize 100 years from now. I am taking side bitch by the way, Permian redux or Mars. I’m glad I’m alive right now. It’s going to be interesting, to say the least. It would be cool to see a supernova before I take the trip also, but not relevant.

But no. We’re fighting fascism and despotism or, worse yet, happily choosing between the two, somehow thinking if my side wins, it’s decent government.

Julius Gaius Caesar and the boys, Sula, Crassius, Mark Anthony, Romulus, Scipio, Titus, would have crucified as all from the steps of the Senate down the Appian way to the gates of Naples. Cesar would’ve been so pissed off, he would’ve made sure a mathematician made certain our crucifixes were equally spaced.

I don’t know how else to tell you other than, we are failing.

We as in “we the people”

Miserably, I’m afraid.

Well written, truthful and will for the most part fall on deaf ears here. Sad I know, but still that is the reality.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Well written, truthful and will for the most part fall on deaf ears here. Sad I know, but still that is the reality.

I’m not very smart, but I see what I’m looking at. Obviously, you do too. thanks for clueing me in!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I’m not very smart, but I see what I’m looking at. Obviously, you do too. thanks for clueing me in!

I should add; I would be remiss in not applauding your effort, the deniers message needs to be countered. Even if they still choose to deny, perhaps others may not be sucked down the rabbit hole due to the counter efforts people like yourself have made.

 

[Kindfarmer]

I should add; I would be remiss in not applauding your effort, the deniers message needs to be countered. Even if they still choose to deny, perhaps others may not be sucked down the rabbit hole due to the counter efforts people like yourself have made.

I feel exactly the same. Thank you for the confirmation. That, and my ego likes to be on some permanent record for posterity. I want history know I was on the right side.

 

[butters]

i agree with a lot in the OP, it's true... not all, but a lot. Water wars and food wars are on the horizon, with famines already devastating some areas where they've a history of them but also areas increasingly affected by drought, wildfire and flooding.

the younger voters coming into the system will affect changes; whether or not it's too late for them is another matter. I don't agree that nothing's being done, or that all that's being done is ineffectual. It's too slow, it's not nearly enough, but it's movement in the right direction. The only way to effect the changes needed via the political process is to have the votes. More and more green party/environmentalists will make up the house and senate members... they know the urgency. To throw out the only party making ANY beneficial changes right now by draining votes away when there's no effectual competitor to the republican party is the fastest way to increase the damage to the world.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Uy

C’mon dude. Trying to point out Legit arguments to these MAGA halfwits is always pointless. They don’t believe in science, unless it proves whites are superior. Then they cling to it.

I remember when we got our first snow storm in 2017 and DJT tweeted his joke about global warming. So predictable.

They are not about facts of any kind, but your heart is in the right place. Of course you will just get ridicule here since it’s something the MAGA crowd wants to just yell about it.

These new republicans are not even sure what they stand for. So if it seems like you are telling them things are bad and they should curtail something they just yell freedom! (Right Linus?).

We will figure this out once we put the constant distraction of DJT behind us, which most will agree is probably the real reason he is still even a thing… why deal with issues when you can yell about it and get nothing done.

You do know ‘Murikkka’s most cherished freedom don’t you?

The untethered right to say and do extraordinarily stupid shit……….

 

[dkovic77]

Uy

You do know ‘Murikkka’s most cherished freedom don’t you?

The untethered right to say and do extraordinarily stupid shit……….

Again.., Linus will say all part of the freedoms guaranteed. It’s the consequences that he never will understand.

Kinda sad really. Need one of those poorly kept pet video campaigns for the MAGA folks.

They have been treated so badly by DJT, The My pillow guy, and America’s mayor. They thought they could trust them, but it all went wrong and now… they need your help.

 

[Lazaran]

i agree with a lot in the OP, it's true... not all, but a lot. Water wars and food wars are on the horizon, with famines already devastating some areas where they've a history of them but also areas increasingly affected by drought, wildfire and flooding.

the younger voters coming into the system will affect changes; whether or not it's too late for them is another matter. I don't agree that nothing's being done, or that all that's being done is ineffectual. It's too slow, it's not nearly enough, but it's movement in the right direction. The only way to effect the changes needed via the political process is to have the votes. More and more green party/environmentalists will make up the house and senate members... they know the urgency. To throw out the only party making ANY beneficial changes right now by draining votes away when there's no effectual competitor to the republican party is the fastest way to increase the damage to the world.

Agree with everything you said, especially about not draining away votes from the only current viable counter(Democrats) to the “Onceler” republicans.

Now if only we could convince Susan Sarandon and a few of the far left zero compromise contingency to adopt that pragmatic approach to progress.

And that ^ isn’t meant to suggest that they shouldn’t continue to fiercely advocate for more rapid adoption of some of their core ideas. Just do it within the framework of the Democratic platform.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Again.., Linus will say all part of the freedoms guaranteed. It’s the consequences that he never will understand.

Kinda sad really. Need one of those poorly kept pet video campaigns for the MAGA folks.

They have been treated so badly by DJT, The My pillow guy, and America’s mayor. They thought they could trust them, but it all went wrong and now… they need your help.

Out of curiosity, what excuse are the Democrat voters gonna use?

 

[Kindfarmer]

Agree with everything you said, especially about not draining away votes from the only current viable counter(Democrats) to the “Onceler” republicans.

Now if only we could convince Susan Sarandon and a few of the far left zero compromise contingency to adopt that pragmatic approach to progress.

And that ^ isn’t meant to suggest that they shouldn’t continue to fiercely advocate for more rapid adoption of some of their core ideas. Just do it within the framework of the Democratic platform.

sincere sentiment. Why not just vote #GreenParty? You’re gonna have to replace the entire DNC top to bottom before the Democratic Party ever becomes borderline progressive. We have enough heavy lifts. I mean that’s a near impossibility. The donors aren’t gonna let that happen.
I’m real political party representing it’s constituents collaborate with the electric to write the platform….. not the donors.
I see the Democrats as fascist. Corporate capture of departmental government. The GOP is straight up DESPOTISM by TYRANTS. To engineer a takeover of that organization from the inside would take far MORE effort than educating the public, we both know how much that would be….

Pray for a mass epiphany.

Or a giant astroid

 

[Lazaran]

sincere sentiment. Why not just vote #GreenParty? You’re gonna have to replace the entire DNC copper bottom before the Democratic Party ever becomes borderline progressive. We have enough heavy lifts. I mean that’s a near impossibility. The donors aren’t gonna let that happen.

Confused response.

I covered that ^ in the post you responded to.

 

[Kindfarmer]

i agree with a lot in the OP, it's true... not all, but a lot. Water wars and food wars are on the horizon, with famines already devastating some areas where they've a history of them but also areas increasingly affected by drought, wildfire and flooding.

the younger voters coming into the system will affect changes; whether or not it's too late for them is another matter. I don't agree that nothing's being done, or that all that's being done is ineffectual. It's too slow, it's not nearly enough, but it's movement in the right direction. The only way to effect the changes needed via the political process is to have the votes. More and more green party/environmentalists will make up the house and senate members... they know the urgency. To throw out the only party making ANY beneficial changes right now by draining votes away when there's no effectual competitor to the republican party is the fastest way to increase the damage to the world.

I’m not suggesting throw them out. I’m suggesting Democratic voters educate themselves and replace them as the second major party with the greens. Two steps slower walk to hell is still going to take you straight to hell. Insulting tokens should never be legitimized. Especially ones concerning the largest Sociopolitical issue in the history of the species.

I can say this in all truthfulness. What we’re doing is not working. We’ve been trying it over and over and over since basically Al Gore. Don’t you think we should try something else? I mean, the next motherfucker with “vote them out“ deserves a piece of hickory ……..

Of medium mass in high velocity.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Confused response.

I covered that ^ in the post you responded to.

If you don’t mind expending the effort, please clarify. As I mentioned in the comment you are replying to right now, there’s no way that we’re going to flip the Democrat party to a progressive environmentally friendly social democracy government in the timeframe it’s gonna take to save the republic or the planet.

 

[stxjimmy]

Nice idea but long before the greens could become a major party the climate crisis would be irreversible.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Nice idea but long before the greens could become a major party the climate crisis would be irreversible.

That depends on the openness of the Democratic party constituents to actually learn something. As things stand right now, we’re already at the position you projected to be in the future. We’re past the first serious major tipping point. If we don’t stop and also extract, we’re through. Carbon neutral yesterday doesn’t mean jack shit. We have to sequester 2,000,000,000,000 tons minimum from the atmosphere and turn it into a solid. The carbon is a very valuable thing. This could easily be done at a huge profit. this whole response is pure insanity. It is the largest economic opportunity in history along with the switch to renewables and we’re letting the message frame be “ a world crashing economic sacrifice” ….pathetic!

It really bothers me that Democrat voters think what their parties doing is right. Slightly closer to right than absolutely and criminally pathetic is not “right”. Both exhibit complete moral depravity. Tribalism is a terrible thing. Worse than nationalism. Neither constituency is open to learning or changing, that’s how we ended up here.

 

[stxjimmy]

How could removing 2tn tons be done easily and at profit?

 

[Lazaran]

Nice idea but long before the greens could become a major party the climate crisis would be irreversible.

Exactly.

You would think the 2016 election and it’s aftermath would have enlightened the zero compromise left wingers. And to be fair, I think enough of them “got it” to defeat Trump in 2020 and Trumpism in 2022.

Another setback like 2016, due to far left resistance to working within the Democratic Party’s infrastructure, would be catastrophic in relation to the climate and the environment imho.

Realistically, there has to be continual outreach to persuadable independents and republicans as well.

A pragmatic progressive coalition for the win.

 

[Wedge_Antilles]

Jeebus, more dick sucking in here than a gay bukakke video.

 

[Lazaran]

Jeebus, more dick sucking in here than a gay bukakke video.

Is that ^ how YOU saw it??? That ^ sounds like a YOU problem.

Seek help.

Seriously.

 

[stxjimmy]

We have to sequester 2,000,000,000,000 tons minimum from the atmosphere and turn it into a solid. The carbon is a very valuable thing. This could easily be done at a huge profit. this whole response is pure insanity.

So what is the answer?

 

[Kindfarmer]

So what is the answer?

Sequestration into an extremely high quality fiber, nano technology, and specialty architecture and structural usage pieces. There are at least a dozen different companies doing that now in terms of Sequestration. Anywhere from $600-$1200 a ton. High quality carbon fiber goes for $16,000 to $24,000 per ton. saving majority of species on the planet happens to be the largest economic opportunity in the history of legal tender. Along with the immediate end to extracting and burning fossil fuel. Take the subsidies afforded to the fuel companies and incentivize the living phuk outta renewables.
currently, fossil fuel entities are receiving $11 million per minute in subsidies, globally. https://www.theguardian.com/environ...xLiT1ZIBtf1nFAUTiAvCbOvBeXr5dVwq7YK0x7U2PWssE

 

[Kindfarmer]

Exactly.

You would think the 2016 election and it’s aftermath would have enlightened the zero compromise left wingers. And to be fair, I think enough of them “got it” to defeat Trump in 2020 and Trumpism in 2022.

Another setback like 2016, due to far left resistance to working within the Democratic Party’s infrastructure, would be catastrophic in relation to the climate and the environment imho.

Realistically, there has to be continual outreach to persuadable independents and republicans as well.

A pragmatic progressive coalition for the win.

BS. Hilary was a terrible nominee. It had nothing to do with the “”far left”. Simple analysis of vote totals prove it. She motivated 4 million Obama voters to stay home. 3 million more Republicans to vote for Trump than it ever had in history. That’s 7 million votes. More than all of the Burners who stayed home, the Jill Stein nonsense, and even the RU voters put together.

As far as who to reach out to, you don’t understand that either. There’s only one demographic that the Democrats could ever be concerned with. The 20-60 million registered non-voters. How do you think a black man became president of this racist you home? He reached out to you just short of 8% of them and got at the time, they record number of votes. The DNC in the “centrist” that’s code for ‘ corporate donor fellators’ and their oligarchy facilitating is what holding us back. You could never change the party to be progressive. The donors will absolutely not allow it.