Serious Issue of Rape

[Problem Child]

Oh BULLSHIT! lol
In prior instances criminals may have tried to rationalize raping unwilling participants and violently beating them and forcing them to do vile things as their nature. Rape is not a crime of passion but a crime of power and dominance. Rape is about violence SEX is about SEX, TWO different things here.

THIS is so TOTALLY different! A woman giving consent, both aroused, in the ACT of fucking, his dick inside her pistoning away... THEN she says no? HA! Sex, just as hunger is nature! And when you are FUCKING is takes over just as sleep, eating, or going to the bathroom it would be VERY, VERY, VERY hard for ANYONE adult to stop much less some young horny kid.

Spoken like a guy who has had very little if any sex. I've been asked many times by many women to stop during the act of sex for a variety of reasons.

Since I'm a human being with both free will and self-control, I never had a problem stopping, even near climax.

 

[intrigued]

You have to take responsibility for your actions here.

If this were the other way around the man would have been laughed out of court.

The same thinking behind the ruling here is the same patrimonious thinking that women are fickle and must be coddled by the law because they need not be responsible for their decisions because they are weaker then men.

Ok, then to follow that thinking...the man has to be responsible for his actions every bit as much as the woman.
Why is it that only the woman has to be responsible for her actions, was she hog tying him, rendering him helpless against her, and any self control?

 

[celiaKitten]

I can't even believe there is a question about this, just taking the bare bones of what everyone is arguing..

If at any point, in the beginning, middle or near the end of any sexual interaction, any party says "No" or "Stop" that is rape. For whatever reason, that person no longer wants or desires what is happening to them. Period.

As for the argument of *true victims* of rape and it being a violent, painful act .. yes, obviously rape can be that. What about adding assault&battery charges in addition in those cases? In those cases, multiple crimes are usually committed.

But you can't say that just because someone wasn't violently attacked that it wasn't rape.

And the *nature* argument holds no water at all. Humans do many things that are not in our nature.

 

[Mona Lisa]

You have to take responsibility for your actions here.

If this were the other way around the man would have been laughed out of court.

The same thinking behind the ruling here is the same patrimonious thinking that women are fickle and must be coddled by the law because they need not be responsible for their decisions because they are weaker then men.

Or maybe it means that our legal system, and our society in general, has an appalling tendancy to trivialize the sexual abuse of men. But that perspective doesn't support your view, now does it?

 

[celiaKitten]

Spoken like a guy who has had very little if any sex. I've been asked many times by many women to stop during the act of sex for a variety of reasons.

Since I'm a human being with both free will and self-control, I never had a problem stopping, even near climax.

And normally some respect for the person you're with.

I didn't think it would be so *animalistic* and such that it would render a male incapable of stopping pre-climax. With some of these responses I was beginning to wonder.

Nicely put, PC

 

[Zaudika]

What it really comes down to is that no one knows all of the facts. Going with that thought, we don't really know the way that she was saying no. If she just said stop, a quiet no, and it wasn't very clear, or whether she started crying, tried to push him off of her, and said no this way. Some people have talked about nature taking over on the thread, but come on. If you were fucking a girl and all a sudden she got freaked out and started crying, trying to push you off, would you really continue and finish??.. In that situation I'd really hope not.

I'm not saying that's the way it was necessarily.... Again, we don't really know all the details of the situation. There's a few things that are printed in the paper, but not even that is totally reliable. There's also a very strong possibility that she went home, told Mom and Dad about it, and they flipped out about the fact that their baby was having sex with some guy. So though it never really seemed that big of a thing to her, they could have pushed the rape idea more into her mind.

Overall, I agree totally with what was said a couple times above on this being a prime example on why teenagers shouldn't be having sex. There's just not a maturity level there.

It's hard to take any sides without the facts and without knowing the two people, and the two families. However, my opinion does stand that if she said stop, he should have stopped. Period.
In a situation where I was riding cowgirl, so to speak, (as stated earlier) .. I know if someone told me to stop, I like EE wouldn't want to continue. I couldn't take enjoyment and pleasure, knowing that the other person wouldn't want to continue.... the idea alone makes me sick. Whether what he did should be charged as rape... I vary back and forth.

 

[Frimost]

This is a situation that a man should never be put in to begin with (or a woman for that matter).

Rape is a felony offense that can forever fuck up a man's life ruining his reputation, personal life, and career.

When in sex you are doing a primitive act and in the heat of the moment-your brain is switched off so to say and the penis or clit has petty much taken over "thinking" for you (overall).

So this is NOT rape, but is still wrong, so a new category of crime should be added-some kind of misdemeanor to reflect the unusual circumstances behind the crime. Judges by definition are supposed to be free and fair, one size does NOT fit all and this case is not the same as some scum-bag grabbing some poor girl off the street and sodomizing her against her will.


Or, maybe...

SHE should have been charged and sent to jail for criminal sexual-teasing and Blue-balling!

Yeah, I like that second suggestion allot more!


As for that daughter thing, now imagine that happening to your son and his life forever ruined by some fickle tease playing power-games with him and twisting his emotions and fucking with his mind by giving and revoking consent?

Teach your daughter not to say yes unless she means it and you won't have to worry about this crap.

 

[Freya]

Frankly, I've had men stop because it wasn't comfortable for me, or them - in some cases without me having to tell them to. But therein lies one of the biggest differences between boys and men - self control. At that age, they have very little of it, and considering a lot of girls at that age say no when really they mean yes, it can be a hard call for a kid to make.

What I think it boils down to, is that it's not really rape, but a lighter form of non consentual sex - and bolsters a theory stated here already - that it's another reason why kids should not be having sex. But, will it stop them? Not a chance.

 

[Problem Child]

And normally some respect for the person you're with.

I didn't think it would be so *animalistic* and such that it would render a male incapable of stopping pre-climax. With some of these responses I was beginning to wonder.

Nicely put, PC

Thank you.

I've been asked to momentarily stop because she thought the condom came off, or because she thought she might be bleeding, or because she thought a child might have awoken, or because we were in a place where she thought we were about to get caught, etc., etc.

Never once did I say "give me a minute to finish".

 

[plasticman33]

Spoken like a guy who has had very little if any sex. I've been asked many times by many women to stop during the act of sex

Why does this not surprise me?

 

[RawHumor]

Why does this not surprise me?

LMAO

 

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[Problem Child]

When in sex you are doing a primitive act and in the heat of the moment-your brain is switched off so to say and the penis or clit has petty much taken over "thinking" for you (overall).

So this is NOT rape, .... Blahblahblah...

Or, maybe...

SHE should have been charged and sent to jail for criminal sexual-teasing and Blue-balling!

Yeah, I like that second suggestion allot more!

Yeah, it's all the woman's fault. How dare she give him blueballs!


As for that daughter thing, now imagine that happening to your son and his life forever ruined by some fickle tease playing power-games with him and twisting his emotions and fucking with his mind by giving and revoking consent?

Teach your daughter not to say yes unless she means it and you won't have to worry about this crap.

How about teaching your son that no means no. All the time.

You're so fucking confused. It's sad, really.

 

[MissTaken]

Oh BULLSHIT! lol
In prior instances criminals may have tried to rationalize raping unwilling participants and violently beating them and forcing them to do vile things as their nature. Rape is not a crime of passion but a crime of power and dominance. Rape is about violence SEX is about SEX, TWO different things here.

THIS is so TOTALLY different! A woman giving consent, both aroused, in the ACT of fucking, his dick inside her pistoning away... THEN she says no? HA! Sex, just as hunger is nature! And when you are FUCKING is takes over just as sleep, eating, or going to the bathroom it would be VERY, VERY, VERY hard for ANYONE adult to stop much less some young horny kid.

Hmm so that violence is a "drive" in the minds of rapists and sex is a "drive" for all of us, doesn't equate?

Hell, rapists and serial murders are trying to use "nature" as a defense. The arguement lying with the hyper responsivenes in the frontal lobe.

And being "VERY hard for ANYONE to do" doesn't mean it is impossible.

If you can't stop yourself from fucking someone when you have started, there is a problem there somewhere.

 

[HeavyStick]

You are a fucking joke!


The is no such thing as blue balls.

Men wont die form lack of sex.

No I'm told.


*throws away frequent fuck card from Tiajuana*

 

[MissTaken]

Ya know?

Chances are pretty good that she filed charges because her parents made her.

Just based on my own observations, but it often is the case with two kids fucking.

 

[Problem Child]

Why does this not surprise me?

You and bratcat are a perfect match.

Both dumb as fucking rocks.

 

[celiaKitten]

You're so fucking confused. It's sad, really.

And this sums up this whole damn thread!

That's it. Everyone can go home now.

 

[HeavyStick]

Ya know?

Chances are pretty good that she filed charges because her parents made her.

Just based on my own observations, but it often is the case with two kids fucking.

Does it take away from the fact she said stop?

No, it doesn't.

 

[Frimost]

Ok, then to follow that thinking...the man has to be responsible for his actions every bit as much as the woman.
Why is it that only the woman has to be responsible for her actions,

Because society and biology tell us that women are the guardians of sex so to say. Since most of the time men are the ones always seeking intercourse it is the women's job to decide whether she should "admit" them and choose whom to give that privilege too. By saying yes she game him his pass to sex you can say. She was responsible for her actions and she said yes. The question is can a man be held criminally responsible if she tries to revoke it in mid-fuck or is it too late at that point (a non-refundable ticket). He should have stopped, but he is not an adult to begin with. By definition he is not held as accountable as an adult who HAS responsibilities and mental maturity that a teenager does not possess.

 

[MissTaken]

Does it take away from the fact she said stop?

No, it doesn't.

Nope.

It was just a random thought.

 

[Mona Lisa]

Interesting thought. Playing the devil's advocate.

What if she had climaxed? ( I think someone earlier hinted at this) Is it still the same thing?

Also, suppose the act had been completed by both parties, and days later she regrets it and decides to press the issue.

I think I'm just worried that at some point you could cross a line as to what's fair and just. [/B]

Why would it matter if she had an orgasm? Let's do a little switcheroo here and assume that it was a 16 year old BOY who just came. So here he is, he's had his orgasm, things are kinda oversensitive, his girlfriend's still on top of him. He asks her to stop, she keeps riding until she gets her orgasm. Does she have the right to force her partner to serve as essentially a sex toy against his wishes just because he came first, or does he retain the right to determine when and for how long he wishes to share his body with his girlfriend?

As for after-the-fact withdrawal of consent, only the portion of sex AFTER the the withdrawal of consent can be considered rape. Unless she's fucking the Eveready Bunny, I think it's safe to say that all the sex would be covered under previous consent.

 

[RawHumor]

Let's say that at the point she asked him to stop, he was already on the verge of orgasm and he tried to pull out but ended up shooting inside of her anyway. He did everything within his control to pull out.

He still came inside of her against her will.

What then?

 

[Problem Child]

Because society and biology tell us that women are the guardians of sex so to say. Since most of the time men are the ones always seeking intercourse it is the women's job to decide whether she should "admit" them and choose whom to give that privilege too. By saying yes she game him his pass to sex you can say. She was responsible for her actions and she said yes. The question is can a man be held criminally responsible if she tries to revoke it in mid-fuck or is it too late at that point (a non-refundable ticket). He should have stopped, but he is not an adult to begin with. By definition he is not held as accountable as an adult who HAS responsibilities and mental maturity that a teenager does not possess.

Yet you are willing to thrust the entire responsibility for the act on the girl, who is presumably just as immature. That's ridiculous. What if it was your daughter, and she changed her mind?

Frimost's daughter: "Daddy, a boy raped me."

Frimost: "Oh my god! I'll kill him, the son of a bitch! Tell daddy what happened!"

Daughter: "Well, we were having sex, Daddy, and I told him to stop, but he didn't."

Frimost: "You're a fucking whore. Get to your room, and no dinner."

 

[HeavyStick]

Let's say that at the point she asked him to stop, he was already on the verge of orgasm and he tried to pull out but ended up shooting inside of her anyway. He did everything within his control to pull out.

He still came inside of her against her will.

What then?

A couple of seconds may be unavoidable.

Even though it (ejaculation) may seem forever, it's no excuse for not trying to withdrawal.

I guarantee if a guy thought his condom broke, mid orgasm or not, I know it's getting inspected before I keep going.