Serious Issue of Rape

[knightshadow]

I was just reading an article on ABCnews.com about a court decision in California. A teen boy was convicted of rape from an instant of sexual intercourse with a teen girl. They were at a party, had some drinks and decided to go off together. As the intercourse was starting, she decided that she didn't want to continue. It appears he had already entered her and asked for a minute to finish. The whole episode last about five minutes. She pressed charges and he was convicted. Now this week the California High Courts upheld the decision stating that "No" meant "No". I found it interesting because the article asked does "Yes" really mean "Yes".

I'm not sure how I feel about this. After all, he didn't force himself on her. She had agreed. I know it's not right to go against someones wishes, but it seems that in a case where you have already started the act, nature does take over. I could see if they hadn't started yet. I guess I'm not sure where I stand on this.

Oh, by the way, the boy is doing prison time in a juvy prison. How is this going to effect him for the rest of his life? Isn't he now a sexual predator and for the rest of his life he will be watched?

 

[Guest]

It's all he said she said.

I'm 9 months pregnant.

 

[HeavyStick]

She said no more, he acknowledged, he continued.

It's rape.

Time is insignificant. Today it's 30 seconds, then 2 minutes, then 30 minutes....

 

[HeavyStick]

It's all he said she said.

I'm 9 months pregnant.

Try reading the post before you reply.

 

[MissTaken]

Oh, by the way, the boy is doing prison time in a juvy prison. How is this going to effect him for the rest of his life? Isn't he now a sexual predator and for the rest of his life he will be watched?

No, as a juvey, he isn't likely to be included in the Sex Offender's Registry. Will it follow him around? Sure. What was he convicted of, btw? Rape or sexual assault etc?

I believe "No" means "No" regardless of when it comes into the interaction.

He should have rolled over and jerked himself.

 

[marksgirl]

She said no more, he acknowledged, he continued.

It's rape.

Time is insignificant. Today it's 30 seconds, then 2 minutes, then 30 minutes....

I agree. When she said to stop he could have pulled out and jacked off but he continued against her wishes.

 

[Guest]

Oh, by the way, the boy is doing prison time in a juvy prison. How is this going to effect him for the rest of his life?
He goes bi-sexual.

Isn't he now a sexual predator and for the rest of his life he will be watched?
He should go to an out of the State university.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I'm not sure about this one. It is really 'he said, she said', isn't it? How did she tell him to stop, how long did he keep going, what conversation happened afterwards, were either of them drinking? It isn't just black and white, because even though 'no means no', she started out by saying 'yes'.

 

[knightshadow]

She said no more, he acknowledged, he continued.

It's rape.

Time is insignificant. Today it's 30 seconds, then 2 minutes, then 30 minutes....

That's an interesting point. I wonder how the courts would rule if they had completed the act once and then started a second time and then she said no. I suppose it would be still the same, wouldn't it be?

 

[RawHumor]

No DOES mean no, but come on, people.

Ladies, let me tie you to the bed and lap at your clit just a little too slowly for you to reach an orgasm, playing with your nipples and doing everything else just right at the same time. Then let me increase the tempo until you're RIGHT on the edge of an orgasm. Then let me just walk away from you.

Would you enjoy that?

 

[Frimost]

I don't believe its rape if she said yes.
Nature does take over.

Imagine riding some guys cock cowgirl style and you are just about to O when the guy says "get off, I don't feel like it anymore".

What should happen ideally and what you actually would do are two different things.

Example: Ideally you see a person drowning in a river you should jump in and save them despite the risk of drowning yourself in the attempt to be a hero.

But in reality the flood-swollen river and rapid current may scare the shit out of you and you just say "fuck it, I don't want to die" to yourself. So you decide to instead just call for help and wait for professionals to arrive even if you know they probably will not get there in time

He should have stopped when asked to but put in the same situation there is no way of knowing whether you could have (male or female) or not, you would like to think you could and would but who knows?

Maybe they can come up with some lesser crime when it comes to these situations? As a compromise perhaps they can make it some kind of misdemeanor or something if she says no after he or she is already fucking her or him?

I hope teases and other bad women and men don’t use this ruling to their advantage to ruin peoples lives that they don’t like or get massive monetary settlements in lawsuits.

 

[Guest]

If she didn't want to have sex, why did she go off alone with him? Ok now I am not saying she asked for it...but if it started out as consentual sex...and then she said no... she shouldn't have pressed charges because she agreed at first.

When I think of rape...I think of a woman (or in some cases a man) being FORCED to have sex against their wishes. Not starting off and saying.. yes yes...then no no.

Seems to me like there is more to this story than what was actually publicized.

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure about this one. It is really 'he said, she said', isn't it? How did she tell him to stop, how long did he keep going, what conversation happened afterwards, were either of them drinking? It isn't just black and white, because even though 'no means no', she started out by saying 'yes'.

Thanks. I look like a genius, now.

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

No DOES mean no, but come on, people.

Ladies, let me tie you to the bed and lap at your clit just a little too slowly for you to reach an orgasm, playing with your nipples and doing everything else just right at the same time. Then let me increase the tempo until you're RIGHT on the edge of an orgasm. Then let me just walk away from you.

Would you enjoy that?

That's a "he said"........

 

[RawHumor]

I think it also demeans REAL rape. I mean, rape is a violent and ugly act. It's a horrible horrible thing. Women who have been raped often have nightmares and trust issues for years, requiring therapy and counseling to cope with the trauma.

How can you compare that to a woman changing her mind mid-orgasm?

 

[Bidin~Time]

First of all, let me put on my asbestos suit.

If I understand you correctly, these 2 teenagers went off "to be alone", and only after actual intercourse began did the girl have second thoughts.

What a wonderful example of why teens shouldn't have sex. Of course convincing them of that is material fo a whole other thread.

Had she said no at any time before the actual act began, then yes it would have been rape. Under those circumstances you cite, it wasn't rape before she said "no" even though they were, if fact, having sex? But it was[b/] rape after she asked him to stop(said "no") and he continued?

Where is her responsibility in this? No one ever told her you don't got with a man(or boy) for the purposes of "being alone"; neck, pet, get naked, have any form of sex, and then suddenly[i/] decide it was rape, because you changed your mind just as he was about to cum?

If I understood that post then..

Yep, I'd say somebody[b/] there got fucked.
But it wasn't the girl.

Flame away people!

 

[knightshadow]

If she didn't want to have sex, why did she go off alone with him? Ok now I am not saying she asked for it...but if it started out as consentual sex...and then she said no... she shouldn't have pressed charges because she agreed at first.

When I think of rape...I think of a woman (or in some cases a man) being FORCED to have sex against their wishes. Not starting off and saying.. yes yes...then no no.

Seems to me like there is more to this story than what was actually publicized.

From the article, it seems that all parties agree that both agreed to sex and during the act she had a change of plans. There didn't seem to be any arguments about who said what. Just that she didn't want to finish what was started.

 

[Frimost]

Saying yes to sex and then starting to engage in it then changing your mind is like jumping into a lion cage dripping in gazelle blood. They are both so stupid and unwise that they are almost asking for what happens next and should have never put themselves into that situation to begin with.

Granted we do not know all the details but we are all talking hypothetical now that the ruling has opened the possibility of what we are discussing actually happening for real.

 

[HeavyStick]

I don't believe its rape if she said yes.
Nature does take over.

If your dog got my dog pregnant, that's nature.


If we are trading punches and one of us tells the other to stop, we stop.


If a couple is having sex and one says stop, one or two pumps...(give the mind a little time to acknowledge the command and the body a little time to stop moving) that's it.

I believe that human nature can be animalistic and primal. but to say "my animal instincts took over" is weak.

 

[Freya]

I agree with emi and RH. What a bullshit charge. She willingly goes along with it, til he's already inside her, and then decides she doesn't want to? He's a kid, for god's sake - how much self control can one seriously expect him to have in a case like that?

 

[RawHumor]

HeavyStick, remind me not to trade punches with you if you find it that erotic. LOL

 

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[plasticman33]

Oh, by the way, the boy is doing prison time in a juvy prison. How is this going to effect him for the rest of his life? Isn't he now a sexual predator and for the rest of his life he will be watched?

As reported by the Associated Press yesterday, California has lost track of 33,000 registered sexual offenders and they don't know how many may have been released from prison and never registered. Granted his conviction sounds like it was unjust, but it would appear he can serve his time and walk away.