Schumer and the 2 state solution ELI5

[silky52]

I blame Bebe, not Israel, nor it's citizens. He is practicing Genocide, and there is fuck all you can do or say to cover up that fact, and further, you even support that genocide.

I hope all those deaths of those innocent children weigh heavily on your conscious.

I hope the deaths of Israeli children way firmly and forever on your consciousness! Especially the Biba family!!

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, you seem to hate the Geneva convention and war crimes.

Terrorists aren't entitled to the benefits of civilized people. These are medieval people with modern weapons trying their best to drag us all back into their dark place. Like everything else in nature, they have to evolve or die.

 

[silky52]

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/...r-10-12-23/h_adba4fcc2a362a9a01de3e3fdee0ec1c

30-40% of those killed in the air strikes on 12 October 2023 were children.

Yep, according to you, all of these are Hamas. Therefore bombing them is fine.

Since then, 13,000 children have been killed in total in Gaza.

But that’s fine, since according to you, they’re all Hamas. There’s no innocent Palestinians, according to you. All of this is because of Hamas.

Israel has no blame in this, despite owning and using the weaponry, and providing and sending in the weaponry and soldiers to carry out all of this.

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Fool !

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I hope the deaths of Israeli children way firmly and forever on your consciousness! Especially the Biba family!!

Why would they? I never killed any, and I don't support Hamas. You on the other support Bebe, and his killing of Palestinian children, so fuck off you, you're no better than the average German back in 1943

 

[Rightguide]

Fool !

He has no clue those numbers probably came from Hamas.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

He has no clue those numbers probably came from Hamas.

Yes, here's another Genocide supporter, but with you, I'm not surprised, you support Putin too in his killing of innocent children in Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

Terrorists aren't entitled to the benefits of civilized people. These are medieval people with modern weapons trying their best to drag us all back into their dark place. Like everything else in nature, they have to evolve or die.

That didn't address my comment outside of confirming it

 

[ll74]

Hamas-ISIS don't want peace and neither do any of these morons here. They blame Israel for everything. I have never yet heard any of them say anything about how if HI were to give Israel back the hostages, and surrender to Israel who has done EVERYTHING to encourage self-government the war would be over. I pray for the war to be over. For my grandson to not have to say to me, "I heard a noise is that a rocket coming our way?" For Gazans to live in peace with Israel. For Gazan children to learn at normal schools and not at hate-the Jews schools, with a baby of 10 months old holding a rifle in his hands (obviously a terrorist was holding it there), but that is how UNRWA conducted their schools.

Yes, you hate Palestinians and don't understand why they deserve peace as much as you do.
Thanks for confirming

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

He has no clue those numbers probably came from Hamas.

Click the link, they came from CNN via American intelligence and the Biden administration.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

What I have learned from posting here on all this is that there’s a truly horrifying number of pro Israelis and actual Israelis who want a genocide of the Palestinians.

They cite the holocaust for themselves when it suits them and yet finds ways to justify the subjugation and destruction of an entire people and other state for their own ends.

The dehumanising nature of it feels exactly like 1930s and 1940s Germany. You just swap out Jew for Palestinian.

Never been so appalled at the lack of humanity of some people, but sadly I am not surprised.

 

[Lazaran]

What I have learned from posting here on all this is that there’s a truly horrifying number of pro Israelis and actual Israelis who want a genocide of the Palestinians.

They cite the holocaust for themselves when it suits them and yet finds ways to justify the subjugation and destruction of an entire people and other state for their own ends.

The dehumanising nature of it feels exactly like 1930s and 1940s Germany. You just swap out Jew for Palestinian.

Never been so appalled at the lack of humanity of some people, but sadly I am not surprised.

You are one histrionic, hyperbolic antisemitic fuckwit.

If Israeli’s were "genociding" / "ethnic cleansing" the "Palestinians" for decades, then why has the Palestinian population increased TENFOLD in Gaza and the West Bank over the last seven decades???



Everyone knows what’s going on in Gaza and the West Bank, with the "Palestinians" using "the womb of the woman" as a weapon of war / conquest:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-be-our-strongest-weapon-against-the-Zionists



It’s actually kind of insulting that people aren’t giving the "Palestinians" more credit for their successful strategy of manufacturing a humanitarian crisis by purposefully overpopulating Gaza and the West Bank, and then launching attacks on Israel that can either go unanswered (a "win"), or result in what we’re seeing today. (a "win")



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

You are one histrionic, hyperbolic antisemitic fuckwit.

If Israeli’s were "genociding" / "ethnic cleansing" the "Palestinians" for decades, then why has the Palestinian population increased TENFOLD in Gaza and the West Bank over the last seven decades???



Everyone knows what’s going on in Gaza and the West Bank, with the "Palestinians" using "the womb of the woman" as a weapon of war / conquest:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-be-our-strongest-weapon-against-the-Zionists



It’s actually kind of insulting that people aren’t giving the "Palestinians" more credit for their successful strategy of manufacturing a humanitarian crisis by purposefully overpopulating Gaza and the West Bank, and then launching attacks on Israel that can either go unanswered (a "win"), or result in what we’re seeing today. (a "win")



JFC

SAD!!!

More bad faith acting yet again from a pro Israeli account.

At this point, I am entirely unsurprised at the lies and propaganda coming out of Israel and Pro Israelis/Israelis: they have nothing else now because the amount of footage, photographs and reporting on the ground we have for this war, and across Israel, is showing the country and its occupation finally in the light it deserves.

Best overview of the populations of Gaza and the West Bank of Palestine can be found here: https://www.ft.com/content/7b618433-ba5f-4e92-a3e0-d5d41d6d17f8

Gaza has grown in population and population density due to land take by Israel over decades, and refugees from other parts of Palestine moving into Gaza.

This is the same for the West Bank, where its population is being squeezed into smaller and smaller spaces as the violent settler movement in the West Bank continues its illegal land take.

The idea that Palestinians have “manufactured their own humanitarian crisis” is one of the most morally bankrupt lies I have seen on this thread.

Israel is the occupying power, has cut off water, electricity and most aid and almost all food, and is controlling everything, blowing things and people up daily, and making this humanitarian crisis, ably supported by the USA and other western countries’ weaponry.

I look forward to the ICJ ruling which day by day is edging closer to a verdict of genocide, I am certain of that.

Meanwhile, please by all means continue to spew your Israeli Propaganda, we are no longer falling for it, globally.

What Israel has done in Gaza are crimes against humanity, and they will one day be brought to account.

 

[Lazaran]

More bad faith acting yet again from a pro Israeli account.

At this point, I am entirely unsurprised at the lies and propaganda coming out of Israel and Pro Israelis/Israelis: they have nothing else now because the amount of footage, photographs and reporting on the ground we have for this war, and across Israel, is showing the country and its occupation finally in the light it deserves.

Best overview of the populations of Gaza and the West Bank of Palestine can be found here: https://www.ft.com/content/7b618433-ba5f-4e92-a3e0-d5d41d6d17f8

Gaza has grown in population and population density due to land take by Israel over decades, and refugees from other parts of Palestine moving into Gaza.

This is the same for the West Bank, where its population is being squeezed into smaller and smaller spaces as the violent settler movement in the West Bank continues its illegal land take.

The idea that Palestinians have “manufactured their own humanitarian crisis” is one of the most morally bankrupt lies I have seen on this thread.

Israel is the occupying power, has cut off water, electricity and most aid and almost all food, and is controlling everything, blowing things and people up daily, and making this humanitarian crisis, ably supported by the USA and other western countries’ weaponry.

I look forward to the ICJ ruling which day by day is edging closer to a verdict of genocide, I am certain of that.

Meanwhile, please by all means continue to spew your Israeli Propaganda, we are no longer falling for it, globally.

What Israel has done in Gaza are crimes against humanity, and they will one day be brought to account.

I guess I should have said: “You are one histrionic, hyperbolic, antisemitic fuckwit in denial of reality.”



Side note:

The article I provided wasn’t paywalled, and it also didn’t absolve Israel of all culpability for the current situation.- It did make a few things perfectly clear (to anyone not in denial) regarding the breathless (and unfounded) accusations of "genocide" directed at Israelis.



The "Palestinians" (and the "Palestinian’s" supporters) need to own their role in manufacturing the conditions for this humanitarian crisis.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

I guess I should have said: “You are one histrionic, hyperbolic, antisemitic fuckwit in denial of reality.”



Side note:

The article I provided wasn’t paywalled, and it also didn’t absolve Israel of all culpability for the current situation.- It did make a few things perfectly clear (to anyone not in denial) regarding the breathless (and unfounded) accusations of "genocide" directed at Israelis.



The "Palestinians" (and the "Palestinian’s" supporters) need to own their role in manufacturing the conditions for this humanitarian crisis.

You’ve got nothing but baseless accusations and lies.

Even when confronted with the visible, recorded effects of Israeli actions causing directly the humanitarian crisis, you still want to blame the victim rather than the oppressor.

We see through you and others like you.

 

[silky52]

Strent and fuzzy1975 are both Hamas trolls. Please refrain from engaging with them. There only.aim is to refute the truth. I will be reporting them to the managers of Lit.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Strent and fuzzy1975 are both Hamas trolls. Please refrain from engaging with them. There only.aim is to refute the truth. I will be reporting them to the managers of Lit.

LOL, show me a post where I support Hamas? Just one.

You're the problem Silky, not me. You're the one openly calling on Bebe to eradicate innocent children. That's what genocide is. Killing everyone, even the infants....

Don't like what I am stating. Use the ignore feature. That won't stop me from calling out your shit, but it will protect your shallow ego from seeing it....

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

LOL, show me a post where I support Hamas? Just one.

You're the problem Silky, not me. You're the one openly calling on Bebe to eradicate innocent children. That's what genocide is. Killing everyone, even the infants....

Don't like what I am stating. Use the ignore feature. That won't stop me from calling out your shit, but it will protect your shallow ego from seeing it....

We’re literally arguing with genocidal Nazis at this point. It’s an incredible thing that these people, with all of the history we know from this planet over the last hundred years in particular, can’t identify when one race of people is seeking to subjugate or eradicate another.

The baseline is all human life matters. Everyone should have the right to life.

Calling out the actions of Hamas and Israel/IDF for their actions should be what we do as a baseline. Murder is wrong, whether Palestinian or Israeli.

Where I have an issue right now is that in Gaza and the West Bank, it’s state mandated murder. The IDF and Israeli settlers kill Palestinians every day, with impunity.

This stopped being “defence” for October 7th on October 12th when it became indiscriminate bombing.

So naturally, with the amount of death, damage, and now famine, all at the hands of Israel (after all, it’s not Hamas operating the F16s, tanks, and stopping trucks at the border crossings, is it?) you will find people who actually want peace have an issue with Israel’s and Israelis’ behaviour.

Genocidal rhetoric and behaviour should always be called out. Don’t blame us for your own failure to recognise a genocide.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Strent and fuzzy1975 are both Hamas trolls. Please refrain from engaging with them. There only.aim is to refute the truth. I will be reporting them to the managers of Lit.

Your accusations are not just unfounded, they are unhinged.

I’m British. I’ve repeatedly condemned Hamas’ actions throughout.

I’ve also repeatedly condemned the increasingly genocidal actions of Israel and the awful, racist things you have put out on this open forum.

All you have in your arsenal, as above, are baseless lies and accusations.

I’ll be sending a report of my own.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

We’re literally arguing with genocidal Nazis at this point. It’s an incredible thing that these people, with all of the history we know from this planet over the last hundred years in particular, can’t identify when one race of people is seeking to subjugate or eradicate another.

I get the anger, but not all Palestinians support Hamas. Their stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The baseline is all human life matters. Everyone should have the right to life.

100%. Defending yourself is one thing, but this is now long past Israel defending.

Calling out the actions of Hamas and Israel/IDF for their actions should be what we do as a baseline. Murder is wrong, whether Palestinian or Israeli.

Where I have an issue right now is that in Gaza and the West Bank, it’s state mandated murder. The IDF and Israeli settlers kill Palestinians every day, with impunity.

I made a post,not sure if it's in this thread, or the other one, but in order for people to settle this small portion of the Israel/Palestinian issue, both Hamas leaders and Israel leaders need to face the court for war crimes committed since Oct 7th.

Genocidal rhetoric and behaviour should always be called out. Don’t blame us for your own failure to recognise a genocide.

Silky wants the genocide to continue, that is my problem with her.

 

[ll74]

I will be reporting them to the managers of Lit.

I’ll be sending a report of my own.

From the "it doesn't work unless you tell everyone you're doing it" files....

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

I get the anger, but not all Palestinians support Hamas. Their stuck between a rock and a hard place.

100%. Defending yourself is one thing, but this is now long past Israel defending.

I made a post,not sure if it's in this thread, or the other one, but in order for people to settle this small portion of the Israel/Palestinian issue, both Hamas leaders and Israel leaders need to face the court for war crimes committed since Oct 7th.

Silky wants the genocide to continue, that is my problem with her.

Sorry Fuzzy, you have misunderstood me. I totally agree with your points. The top one was actually in reference to Israelis acting as Nazis currently. The last point wasn’t aimed at you, it was aimed at Silky et al for their awful, awful takes.

We are on the same side. Hamas barbaric, Israel barbaric, stop the killing, ceasefire now.

 

[HisArpy]

Click the link, they came from CNN via American intelligence and the Biden administration.

Which got the numbers from where?

I echo the sentiment, you're a Fool !

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Sorry Fuzzy, you have misunderstood me. I totally agree with your points. The top one was actually in reference to Israelis acting as Nazis currently. The last point wasn’t aimed at you, it was aimed at Silky et al for their awful, awful takes.

We are on the same side. Hamas barbaric, Israel barbaric, stop the killing, ceasefire now.

Does a ceasefire include releasing the remaining hostages from October 7th?

 

[Rightguide]

That didn't address my comment outside of confirming it

I did obliquely. Terrorists aren't protected by those conventions.

 

[ll74]

I did obliquely. Terrorists aren't protected by those conventions.

Yes, I know that you think you did.