rail strike - simple answer.

[Kindfarmer]

the 7-days paid sick leave didn't pass the Senate but President Biden hasn't given up on working for it. fuckin' senators apparently have little understanding of how getting sick and not being paid impacts too many workers... either they force themselves into work (if they can even manage that0 and (potentially) infect a load of other people or they see their families suffer the consequences of financial deprivation.

Um……forget it. Pffft

 

[Kindfarmer]

and therein lies the crux, Timbits. Railroads have been shedding employees tremendously since 2016. Now demand exceeds the supply chain. Rather than hire new employees, railroads have unilaterally imposed stringent working conditions where days off are "weighted"....for example, super bowl sunday costs you 7 of your PTO days, out of the measly few you get each year (you start off with 40 when hired.

It's a very bad deal for the workers, which I'm sure pleases you enormously.

Define "fair".



Or we could just fire the mother fuckers and hire people willing to work.

Where the fuck are you coming from on that? Do you think that the right of labor to organize and exhibit solidarity, Unionize and make demands under threat of strike, should not exist? That’s fucked up. Labor capital is the only capital that is not expendable. Are you seriously not aware that there are record corporate profits being reported, the wealth gap is the largest in history of the country, if not the existence of legal tender? I’m sorry man, but you’re just never gonna be a billionaire. What is your major malfunction? You should get your head and your ass wired together and join the fucking team. Our governmental structure funnels about eight grand per taxpayer per year to corporations and $36 to people. What the fuck is wrong with getting paid a living wage and maybe even more if you’re good at it? How much do the 10% actually need? I mean seriously where the fuck are you coming from? I mean besides just being a fucking fake ass silicone ship or some paid real jerk wad mouthpiece? Tell me it’s not possible to be an upright bipedal creature and actually hold those beliefs!

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

Where the fuck are you coming from on that?

It's called liberalism and capitalism, you should look into them sometime.

Do you think that the right of labor to organize and exhibit solidarity, Unionize and make demands under threat of strike, should not exist?

Not for public employees, no.

Private companies, sure.... but the company should reserve the right to fire them all and rid itself of union bullshit too.

That’s fucked up.

Why?

Labor capital is the only capital that is not expendable.

Oh look who's never run so much as a lemonade stand..... Incorrect. The intellectual, managerial, resources and liquid cash capital resources are also not expendable. Without them "labor capital" is just standing around in a field jerking each other off not making a single fuckin' penny.

Are you seriously not aware that there are record corporate profits being reported, the wealth gap is the largest in history of the country, if not the existence of legal tender?

I am fully aware, cheer it on and don't give any fucks that some folks make more than others.

Actually no, there have been several instances of greater wealth inequity going all the way back to ancient Sumerian cities. Most of them dictators/autocratic monarchs of some sort.

I’m sorry man, but you’re just never gonna be a billionaire.

Why not? And so what?? Maybe I'm happy at 20 million, what's it to you???

What is your major malfunction?

I don't have one that's why I'm not boo-hoo'ing about inequity of life outcomes.

You should get your head and your ass wired together and join the fucking team.

What team??

Our governmental structure funnels about eight grand per taxpayer per year to corporations and $36 to people.

Yes, government is serious problem, time to get it out of the economy that it is clearly fucking up. Wealth redistribution is wrong and should be stopped.

What the fuck is wrong with getting paid a living wage and maybe even more if you’re good at it?

Absolutely nothing. If you're not getting your best value for your labor, you should leave and get more elsewhere. 100%. One would need to be a fucking retard not to.

How much do the 10% actually need?

Define "need".... and as long as they aren't taking it from you by force, what does it matter that they are in the top 10%?

Who died and put you in charge of deciding how much people are allowed to make??

I mean seriously where the fuck are you coming from?

Seriously.... liberalism and capitalism.

I mean besides just being a fucking fake ass silicone ship or some paid real jerk wad mouthpiece? Tell me it’s not possible to be an upright bipedal creature and actually hold those beliefs!

What beliefs exactly??

 

[the_single_gal_unconfidential]

Point this out when tribalist Democrat voters try to justify voting for slightly better than an ongoing criminal enterprise. #VoteGreen

where's the ongoing criminal enterprise?

 

[Kindfarmer]

It's called liberalism and capitalism, you should look into them sometime.



Not for public employees, no.

Private companies, sure.... but the company should reserve the right to fire them all and rid itself of union bullshit too.



Why?



Oh look who's never run so much as a lemonade stand..... Incorrect. The intellectual, managerial, resources and liquid cash capital resources are also not expendable. Without them "labor capital" is just standing around in a field jerking each other off not making a single fuckin' penny.



I am fully aware, cheer it on and don't give any fucks that some folks make more than others.

Actually no, there have been several instances of greater wealth inequity going all the way back to ancient Sumerian cities. Most of them dictators/autocratic monarchs of some sort.



Why not? And so what?? Maybe I'm happy at 20 million, what's it to you???



I don't have one that's why I'm not boo-hoo'ing about inequity of life outcomes.



What team??



Yes, government is serious problem, time to get it out of the economy that it is clearly fucking up. Wealth redistribution is wrong and should be stopped.



Absolutely nothing. If you're not getting your best value for your labor, you should leave and get more elsewhere. 100%. One would need to be a fucking retard not to.



Define "need".... and as long as they aren't taking it from you by force, what does it matter that they are in the top 10%?

Who died and put you in charge of deciding how much people are allowed to make??



Seriously.... liberalism and capitalism.



What beliefs exactly??

You know, I gave it an honest effort for the second time. You’re insufferable. I’m not gonna justifying that fecal matter gibberish with a reply. A complete waste of time and energy. I could buy you all the books in the library and you would just eat the pages . See you in the funny papers, Kevin.

 

[Kindfarmer]

where's the ongoing criminal enterprise?

The GOP. Pardon my lack of clarity.

 

[Lazaran]

Some would do well to remember that labor is the superior of capital.

Always has been, always will be.

*nods*

 

[Lazaran]

The GOP. Pardon my lack of clarity.

And the current Democrats are just “slightly better than” THAT ^ “ongoing criminal conspiracy?”

Um, OK……

 

[Kindfarmer]

And the current Democrats are just “slightly better than” THAT ^ “ongoing criminal conspiracy?”

Um, OK……

Right. Support of a few basic human rights does not make for a quality government. Your knowledge of policy, the parties platform, bills introduced and other options concerning the issues addressed by them is obviously lacking.
I will say that they have addressed some of the correct issues. But only in an insulting token fashion. And this administration hasn’t statistically significantly change the lives of the 20 to 80,000,000 registered non-voters per cycle. Christ if they did, they would never lose an election. Quality policy is the key to winning elections. I mean I realize the GOP is gonna block a lot of it but at least bring it to the fucking table.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Right. Support of a few basic human rights does not make for a quality government. Your knowledge policy, the parties platform, bills introduced and other options concerning the issues address to buy is obviously lacking.
I will say that they have addressed some of the correct issues. But only in an insulting token fashion. And this administration hasn’t statistically significantly change the lives of the 20 to 80,000,000 registered non-voters per cycle. Christ if they did, they would never lose an election. Quality policy is the key to winning elections. I mean I realize the GOP is gonna block a lot of it but at least bring it to the fucking table. Did you realize the bill of ethics reform that Nancy personally introduced right before the Thanksgiving break was essentially stripping the few ethics regulations that remain? I mean please. The GOP did not bring us here by themselves. It’s the most important political topic facing America in the world right now the Democrat constituents holding their party accountable. The republic and the planet probably rely on it for the existence of many lifeforms inhabiting it. Heard me if I have no faith. Don’t be satisfied because your tribe is in power. All of your tribe to the government and quality policy. Jesus, I can’t believe I had to say that to a grown American adult…

After what Joe did yesterday to the railroad workers, cannot tell me that Ralph Nader was not correct.

 

[Kindfarmer]

And the current Democrats are just “slightly better than” THAT ^ “ongoing criminal conspiracy?”

Um, OK……

I say that as someone who thought it was necessary to be a Democratic Party voter. Fuck all that. If there was a green party candidate this cycle, I voted for them. My conscious can no longer abide by not voting for someone and what they stand for. I can no longer vote against someone. I have to sleep at night. I’ve spent a decade and a half in first world countries. That way, I am appeasing my sense of morality in actually voting for a proper policy. Read the platforms. How anybody could vote for a fucking party that doesn’t have one is beyond me but at the moment that’s not what’s holding us back. They’re fucking deadweight since Reagan. It’s a given. Call me an elitist, but this shit is beneath me.

 

[Lazaran]

Right. Support of a few basic human rights does not make for a quality government. Your knowledge of policy, the parties platform, bills introduced and other options concerning the issues addressed by them is obviously lacking.
I will say that they have addressed some of the correct issues. But only in an insulting token fashion. And this administration hasn’t statistically significantly change the lives of the 20 to 80,000,000 registered non-voters per cycle. Christ if they did, they would never lose an election. Quality policy is the key to winning elections. I mean I realize the GOP is gonna block a lot of it but at least bring it to the fucking table.

The arc of the Democratic Party is bending towards economic and social justice.

Now if you’re encouraging some decent people to vote “Green”, instead of Democratic in 2024, then expect an outcome like 2016.

How did that work out???

 

[Kindfarmer]

The arc of the Democratic Party is bending towards economic and social justice.

Now if you’re encouraging some decent people to vote “Green”, instead of Democratic in 2024, then expect an outcome like 2016.

How did that work out???

Honest sincere question. Have you read the party platform either the Green or Democratic party? The economic difference to the average American is not having to worry about the next meal. Only tomorrow’s meals. I mean there’s no justification for voting Democrat if you really are about quality of life society. This is still our movie. Most people are in the fucking audience watching it instead of participating.

Speaking direct me to your point, Not if 90% of the Democrat constituency had an epiphany. More likely than holding their own party accountable, by far. There’s not enough difference for me to give a shit brother, Phukin come correct or stay home. They are nowhere near. Shame on you and everyone who things like that.

 

[the_single_gal_unconfidential]

I call bullshit. I have worked plenty of Union jobs. No one breaks a sweat. The newbie is there for a reason.

I can tell you when a RR job opened up in Wyoming...they had a hundred applicants for each position. If the job sucked so bad...why were there so many applicants?

the rrs cut like 30 percent of the jobs.
that means they are worked like dogs.

 

[Kindfarmer]

The arc of the Democratic Party is bending towards economic and social justice.

Now if you’re encouraging some decent people to vote “Green”, instead of Democratic in 2024, then expect an outcome like 2016.

How did that work out???

I’ll tell you what happened in 16. And the numbers prove it. Hillary was the wrong nominee. That’s what your Democrat party does. Nominate the wrong person. Mathematically proved. She motivated 4 million Democrats to stay home that voted for Obama and 3 million Republicans that never had voted before to vote for Trump. She’s personally responsible for 7 million votes. That’s more than what Jill Stein the one time one off Russian plant, along with every other party that’s considered a third-party, the Buners who stayed home, along with any other demographic you can think of combined. Please. You obviously don’t realize with whom you are speaking.

 

[HisArpy]

and therein lies the crux, Timbits. Railroads have been shedding employees tremendously since 2016. Now demand exceeds the supply chain. Rather than hire new employees, railroads have unilaterally imposed stringent working conditions where days off are "weighted"....for example, super bowl sunday costs you 7 of your PTO days, out of the measly few you get each year (you start off with 40 when hired.

It's a very bad deal for the workers, which I'm sure pleases you enormously.

You're so funny some times...

Let's talk about "employment" for a second. Employment with the RR means you work according to a "contract." A "contract" consists of the terms between the parties. In this case, the "contract" also has a timeframe - a term of years - before it CEASES TO EXIST.

You know what happens when the contract which outlines the working conditions you're employed under stops being effective? "You're fired" are the words that immediately come to mind. Each and every one of you.

As a now terminated employee you have a choice, you can ask the boss to reinstate you on the same terms or plead for mercy as a new contract is negotiated with a company which has a demonstrated history of being hardline. AND, in the end when the new contract is hammered out, you again have 2 choices... accept it as written, or walk away.

Because NO ONE forces you to work for anyone else.

So, in regards to "the deal", if the employees don't like it, then can take their bullshit union ideas and go home. If that means that the RR's can't operate safely then they have a choice... hire people on the terms the employees want, or go bankrupt.

Which means that this agreement between the RR and the employees/union is about as perfect as it can be because neither side gets everything it wants and both sides had to compromise in order to get the agreement done because both sides have a vested interest in making it work. And we the consumers continue to get our crap shipped straight to us in a timely manner.

Which sounds perfect to me.

I still say to end ALL of the Federal subsidies for the RR's. If they can't operate on their own without government money, F 'em.

 

[Lazaran]

I’ll tell you what happened in 16. And the numbers prove it. Hillary was the wrong nominee. That’s what your Democrat party does. Nominate the wrong person. Mathematically proved. She motivated 4 million Democrats to stay home that voted for Obama and 3 million Republicans that never had voted before to vote for Trump. She’s personally responsible for 7 million votes. That’s more than what Jill Stein the one time one off Russian plant, along with every other party that’s considered a third-party, the Buners who stayed home, along with any other demographic you can think of combined. Please. You obviously don’t realize with whom you are speaking.

Think about your rationale for why Hillary lost and then apply a similar but different calculus if Bernie was the nominee.

Think about it.

 

[the_single_gal_unconfidential]

I’ll tell you what happened in 16. And the numbers prove it. Hillary was the wrong nominee. That’s what your Democrat party does. Nominate the wrong person. Mathematically proved. She motivated 4 million Democrats to stay home that voted for Obama and 3 million Republicans that never had voted before to vote for Trump. She’s personally responsible for 7 million votes. That’s more than what Jill Stein the one time one off Russian plant, along with every other party that’s considered a third-party, the Buners who stayed home, along with any other demographic you can think of combined. Please. You obviously don’t realize with whom you are speaking.

worked out good so far -
the five day work week, child labor laws - and probably a lot of other labor laws we take for granted are because of the fight and sacrifice of labor unions.
republicans have always fought against unions. and always will.
democrat, for.
they say Rome wasn't built in a day, labor stuff is an evolution, not a one time fix all.

 

[Kindfarmer]

Think about your rationale for why Hillary lost and then apply a similar but different calculus if Bernie was the nominee.

Think about it.

I think Bernie would’ve been the only candidate that would’ve lost we really fucking missed a huge opportunity there. We could’ve had Elizabeth Warren, Governor Insley, hell, Marianne Williamson is a total policy wonk. Forget the woo copper pyramid Crystal bullshit. But what is the point of your hypothetical question anyway? I mean you do realize the only reason Bernie was allowed in the primary in 2020 after draining the DNC of 50 fucking million dollars in 16 was to take away and split the vote of progressives between her and Elizabeth right? It took Biden, Bloomberg and Bernie to keep Elizabeth out of the White House if there’s ever candidate that everyone is scared of, there’s your sign . I love them in person and he’s got a lot of great ideas he’s just a terrible fucking politician can’t build a coalition has no idea to achieve his goal. He’s an amazing educator it would pay the Democrats to hire him away from the Senate and buy media space to educate the electorate about issues.

 

[Kindfarmer]

worked out good so far -
the five day work week, child labor laws - and probably a lot of other labor laws we take for granted are because of the fight and sacrifice of labor unions.
republicans have always fought against unions. and always will.
democrat, for.
they say Rome wasn't built in a day, labor stuff is an evolution, not a one time fix all.

I am 100% pro union. But look at what happened yesterday. Your grandparents fought the same fucking battles. Please raise the bar.

 

[Raazor]

These guys don’t have sick pay? What kind of third world banana republic are you guys running here? And why the fuck do you guys put up with it?

The French have the right idea. They the month of August off, and laugh at the other schmucks - including us Brits - for working our arses off.

 

[Kindfarmer]

worked out good so far -
the five day work week, child labor laws - and probably a lot of other labor laws we take for granted are because of the fight and sacrifice of labor unions.
republicans have always fought against unions. and always will.
democrat, for.
they say Rome wasn't built in a day, labor stuff is an evolution, not a one time fix all.

Labor is not really relevant in today’s national political landscape. They have been broken up, either relegated a non sequitur, like my little town that would never have any union workplace, which is why it is one of two Kawasaki manufacturing plants in the country, or they have just simply been destroyed. No longer in existence.

 

[Kindfarmer]

These guys don’t have sick pay? What kind of third world banana republic are you guys running here? And why the fuck do you guys put up with it?

The French have the right idea. They the month of August off, and laugh at the other schmucks - including us Brits - for working our arses off.

That’s what the first world countries do. Just never lose side of the fact that your reasoning with toddlers….

 

[Kindfarmer]

worked out good so far -
the five day work week, child labor laws - and probably a lot of other labor laws we take for granted are because of the fight and sacrifice of labor unions.
republicans have always fought against unions. and always will.
democrat, for.
they say Rome wasn't built in a day, labor stuff is an evolution, not a one time fix all.

Not to beat a dead horse but for you to even see any of that after yesterday is just so unaware, to be polite.

 

[the_single_gal_unconfidential]

Not to beat a dead horse but for you to even see any of that after yesterday is just so unaware, to be polite.

hate to break the reality of this world -
but one and done isn't reality.
they still have a union, go back regroup, try again.