rail strike - simple answer.

I had just addressed that in my previous reply. Not to mention, they haven’t been on strike yet. Without the administrations interference, that was a real possibility this week. Very real. Come on. Please keep in mind who the fuck you’re addressing
You're responding to me. If you don't like the responses, then simply end the discussion. 👍

I did not read through any of your long comments previously and I was responding to the OP. Just because you started replying to me doesn't mean I'm required to study up on your previous comments...sorry Sparky.
 
Pffft

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
You are perfectly welcome to ignore the law at your own perile. I gave my perspective on the situation. You're perfectly welcome to disagree.
 
You are perfectly welcome to ignore the law at your own perile. I gave my perspective on the situation. You're perfectly welcome to disagree.
A given. Not the point of contention. In my family, the only thing we talked about at the dinner table were the four things you’re not supposed to talk about at the dinner table. Sex, sports, politics and religion. I would never let any of those for topics influence what I think of a person in general. Please keep that in mind. If I hadn’t already judged you as a decent fellow, I would not be engaged in conversation. I apologize if I made you somehow think differently.
 
A given. Not the point of contention. And my family, the only thing we talked about at the dinner table with the four things you’re not supposed to talk about at the dinner table. Sex, sports, politics and religion. I would never let any of those for simplex influence what I think of a person in general. Please keep that in mind. If I hadn’t already judge you as a decent fellow I would not be engaged in conversation. I apologize if I made you somehow think differently.
Awesome for you 👍
 
I’m not sure where you’re coming from there because I’m such a terrible communicator, but know that my last remarks were made with the utmost sincerity.
My perspective is this - I favor a strong union and worker's rights. I also recognize that our government and our economy have certain dependencies which take priority.

In long standing negotiations such as this - most likely each party has very valid reasons to argue their points and it's not as black and white on the good or bad party.

It's just tough. I don't think any results will be awesome. This happened to them in 1991 as well.
 
You're responding to me. If you don't like the responses, then simply end the discussion. 👍

I did not read through any of your long comments previously and I was responding to the OP. Just because you started replying to me doesn't mean I'm required to study up on your previous comments...sorry Sparky.
Not my inference. I would never be so presumptuous or condescending. It was a reply to you specifically. You can call me Farmer, if you would be so kind. If take my forward, blunt, lack of public relations skills style as a personal offense or attack, feel free to ignore me. I’ve never made anything personal in a discussion such as this. I am sure I can come off rather shitty. All I’m trying to do is disseminate what I know. I try to stay away from things I don’t know or at least qualify them as such.
 
My perspective is this - I favor a strong union and worker's rights. I also recognize that our government and our economy have certain dependencies which take priority.

In long standing negotiations such as this - most likely each party has very valid reasons to argue their points and it's not as black and white on the good or bad party.

It's just tough. I don't think any results will be awesome. This happened to them in 1991 as well.
I can respect that. But I also know for a fact that a set in stone strike date, looming ever closer increases the urgency and openness to negotiation of both parties. My bone of contention is it was removed. That’s not the governments place. GOP is right about one thing even if they’re lying about it, when it comes to their own policies. It’s not the government place to pick winners or losers. On the other hand, fair and equitable labor laws are a prerequisite to a high quality of life society. It is my view that currently, we fall far short policy goal. I would also contend that you were speaking in generalities and every specific incidence has its own specific calories to consider. If there is something I have omitted in forming my opinion about this one, I am open to changing it. Otherwise I stand by my previous statements. The current administration clearly picked management over labor. That’s what corporate oligarchy facilitators do.
 
I can respect that. But I also know for a fact that a set in stone strike date, looming ever closer increases the urgency and openness to negotiation of both parties. My bone of contention is it was removed. That’s not the governments place. GOP is right about one thing even if they’re lying about it, when it comes to their own policies. It’s not the government place to pick winners or losers. On the other hand, fair and equitable labor laws are a prerequisite to a high quality of life society. It is my view that currently, we fall far short policy goal. I would also contend that you were speaking in generalities and every specific incidence has its own specific calories to consider. If there is something I have omitted in forming my opinion about this one, I am open to changing it. Otherwise I stand by my previous statements. The current administration clearly picked management over labor. That’s what corporate oligarchy facilitators do.
The government saw that the majority of unions agreed to the agreement, which gave them leverage to prioritize the economy.

I get your point. I support workers. But as I mentioned, I also see Biden's side. There are no winners here....this will kick the can down the road and we'll see this again in 5 or 10 years
 
The government saw that the majority of unions agreed to the agreement, which gave them leverage to prioritize the economy.

I get your point. I support workers. But as I mentioned, I also see Biden's side. There are no winners here....this will kick the can down the road and we'll see this again in 5 or 10 years
As I said earlier, the acceptance was completely depending on the choices involved. Of course you accept it as opposed to the existing unfair contract. That does not make it legitimate.

In my view, one last declare the management the winner. Out of curiosity I would love to know what the executive package contains concerning sick days. By pure coincidence, I know a little bit about the details of the daily life of these guys because the first cousin of mine is the entire nation’s field supervisor for some sub contractor of Burlington Northern. First, Union Pacific is the only railroad in America it doesn’t subcontract everything out. Do you know those guys are treated right what should be labor compensation is profit for the subcontractor. That’s how that gig works. Anyway I digress.
I know he doesn’t make over 150. He doesn’t get to spend over five days a month with his family, sometimes not that. And the only reason they’re doing really well economically is they live in a town of 300 people in BFE Missouri. That’s one hell of a choice to have to make. Spend time with your people or pay the bills. If you’re going to devote that kind of time to a compensation package, it should be far more than what it is. And that’s just out of fairness. Now consider and compare that with management. Just try to get a hold of a real person in the entire management, executive level after lunch on Friday…. 12 hours to get to a job site in their career. There’s a lot of flying involve logistically, sometimes they’re not anywhere near a big city airport. 12 hours to get to a job site in their career. There’s a lot of flying involve logistically, sometimes they’re not anywhere near a big city airport. The entire issue labor and compensation packages real hot button for me especially when it’s hourly or salary. Any motherfucker that thinks they’re time is worth more than my time can kiss my white ass. My time is worth whatever my choices of endless variables, the dedication of my labor, and crazily enough, the weather. Some years I have made literally 1200 bucks an hour. Some years I’ve lost money so I was paying all of my suppliers in essence just to go to work every day. I still produce beef, pork, some kind of poultry, forage, small green Rowcrop gourmet mushrooms, or vegetables that year. Some kind of profit share is the only fairway. I can’t believe management doesn’t understand that just putting in time is not a motivator. Quality and efficiency or undoubtedly affected. Productivity, Reliability, all the things that make them company profit or watt everyone that works for that entity compensation package should be based on. imho
 
This ^ and they did get some concessions; like a 25% raise over the next few years.

Not a total snub from the railroads by any means.

*nods*
I don’t see that as a pertinent issue. I see the hundreds of millions of dollars quarterly profits, anti-trust issues with so few competitors in the market, executive level compensation packages, the time and people put in away from family and friends. Home, in other words. As I just mentioned in a previous reply. The compensation package should be tied to the profit loss statement of the company for every single employee. Top to bottom. Just putting in time is a loser for everyone involved.
 
In 2015 Obama gave an Executive Order giving federal contractors paid sick leave. An order that specifically excluded railway workers, who otherwise would have qualified.
Whats the odds?
Biden could‘ve given an executive order giving railway workers paid sick days. But he didn’t.
This is Fascism.
There’s one party in the United States and that party is beholden to the Corporations.
Everyone wants to argue left vs right, Republican and Democrat.
There Is no left in this country. They are both pro war, pro corporations, and they are both corrupted from top to bottom.
Were all slaves and we will continue to be slaves as long as we’re divided.
 
?? Explain your assertion of the 2015 Executive Order and railway workers, please. Railway workers aren't federal contractors.
 
?? Explain your assertion of the 2015 Executive Order and railway workers, please. Railway workers aren't federal contractors.
No, they’re not.

I’m guessing that “virgin” is another troll here to convince everyone that President Obama and President Biden are “no different/ better” than TFG, etc.

Pathetic.
 
yes, he went there:

the more passive-aggressive form of "don't you know who i am?!
Not at all. That’s about name recognition. My question is squarely directed at authority on the subject. Huge difference in. No matter. I’m just a dumb farmer.
 
More explicitly, Senate REPUBLICANS rejected the proposal to give rail workers seven days of paid sick leave. Senate REPUBLICANS.
That’s bogus AF. They did not sign the bill to make a less than favorable contract to labor the finished package for the length of the agreement. That was solely on the administration. Not to mention that was a fucking poser bullshit vote anyway. Then you goddamn going well it was not gonna have 60 votes in the Senate. They have no politic skills when they could do the country good, but they certainly have political skill to be self-serving morally bankrupt posuers! Even Nancy Pelosi was finally on board with the house ethics reform bill when she finally realize there’s no way in hell is going to happen. Fucking Democrats, man, I swear to God. less political acumen than the GOP constituents. They’re just fucking straight up stupid. Most Dems are just getting fooled. Don’t see what they’re looking at. That’s as bad as saying “the GOP stopped everything we do!” well you know what, unless you bring quality policy, it doesn’t fucking matter. I wanted to kick the motherfuckers in the teeth with every little medical “great accomplishment” they’ve made. A quality #UniversalHealthcare mandate would’ve covered every single one of them and then some. I respect the “fuck you“ straight to your face much more than the bullshit talking out of the fucking sides of their mouth, smiling and professing their hard work for you all the time they have a corporate cock in their throat. I realized, on occasion, I can just be a fucking delight. But that is from the firmly held belief that you, me, the asshole on the corner of the block,
The couple with the cute kids at the bus stop, and all the rest of us deserve better!
 
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