Political Incorrectness to the Extreme

[scheherazade_79]

Welsh invective is so much more expressive.

Think of a way Dylan Thomas would have said it, or better still, Owain Glendower.

Give it some bardic fervour.

(and then save it, don't post it)

Og

What's the point in that? If I've got something to say, then I'll say it.

You're right about Welsh invective being more expressive, though. I pride myself on it

 

[scheherazade_79]

This is what I want to say in Welsh

Dw i bron yn bownsio o'r ffwcing to reit nawr. Ar ol treulio'r holl blydi post yn siarad ac yn dadlu yn erbyn hiliaeth, er bod bron pawb arall yn anghytuno da fi, mae e'n dod mewn ar y funud olaf fel brenhines ffwcing sheba ac yn dweud fy mod i'n hiliol! Gallai stico'r 'isms lan ei dwll din a phisho lan ei goes o ran yr ots sy da fi. Cocoen.

 

[oggbashan]

What's the point in that? If I've got something to say, then I'll say it.

You're right about Welsh invective being more expressive, though. I pride myself on it

The point is that it relieves your pent-up feelings without making implacable enemies of those who genuinely don't understand how they have offended.

Once the invective is out of you, saved to a file, you can respond more reasonably. The quick retort can wound more than you really intend.

Og

PS. I once heard my next door neighbour calling on the demons of hell to carry away the English Chancellor of the Exchequer for an excessive tax demand. At least that's what my brother said he was saying. Thomas ap Thomas ap Thomas was then 85 but once started on Welsh invective he could continue like a chapel preacher threatening hell and damnation for drinking on a Sunday - for hours.

I can't be sure that what Thomas was saying was so restrained. I was only 3 years old at the time but his remembered utterances seemed like the archetype of a bardic curse to the umpteenth generation...

 

[Weird Harold]

... to repeat- there are five children playing a troup of monkeys- three of them are white
Take two and call me in the morning.


This particular problem will occur in absolutely any school, traditional, non-traditional, vouchers notwithstanding. It's a people problem, and schools are chock-full of people.

BBC News, on 23 June.

...
The school said the pupils chose the parts they wanted, but a meeting between Mrs Rees and head teacher Helen Heap has failed to resolve the row.

One quarter of the school's 170 pupils are from ethnic minority backgrounds.

Everyone also seems to be ignoring the fact that these were NO the only black or other minority students in the school, just two who wishes to play monkeys in the school play along with three of their white friends.

Given the ages involved, I'd guess that the five monkeys were the prize parts and hotly contested. The mother in this case might well have turned her sons triumph at getting a choice role into a tragedy.

 

[scheherazade_79]

. Thomas ap Thomas ap Thomas was then 85 but once started on Welsh invective he could continue like a chapel preacher threatening hell and damnation for drinking on a Sunday - for hours.

Mmmm-hmmmm. Guess who else can do that?

 

[oggbashan]

Mmmm-hmmmm. Guess who else can do that?

I think it's a Welsh Art as difficult for a Saxon to understand as Welsh Male Voice choirs emoting about little saucepans.

Is it nature or nuture that many Welsh speakers can speak with such fire and fervour without stopping for a break?

Og

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Here's what I think:

Dw I breast crookedly bownsio he ' group ffwcing he may cover right now. Signs ol spend ' group all blydi post speaking and crookedly dadlu receiving would venture , for be breast everyone other disagreeing good I , he is being he ' heartburn come in signs the minute I conceal like queen ffwcing sheba and saying me be I ' heartburn wounded! He was able stico'r 'isms bank you go hole bottom I go v.) bank you go leg he he shares he drives ots who is good I. cocoa.

Dammit.

 

[oggbashan]

Babelfish isn't great with Welsh.

The innuendos, the literary and historic references, the subtlety, are all lost in most translations to English, but Babelfish on Welsh to English just blows a fuze.

Og

 

[scheherazade_79]

Here's what I think:

Dw I breast crookedly bownsio he ' group ffwcing he may cover right now. Signs ol spend ' group all blydi post speaking and crookedly dadlu receiving would venture , for be breast everyone other disagreeing good I , he is being he ' heartburn come in signs the minute I conceal like queen ffwcing sheba and saying me be I ' heartburn wounded! He was able stico'r 'isms bank you go hole bottom I go v.) bank you go leg he he shares he drives ots who is good I. cocoa.

Dammit.

Lol! I don't know if I can be cross anymore after reading that!

 

[scheherazade_79]

I was cross because I'd been battling against the tide for the whole thread, speaking out against what happened... then to be accused of implicit racism.

I don't know if it was intended that way, Gauche. I'd prefer to think not.

I did feel really cross when I read it, though. Especially when you started psycho-analysing it, and suggesting (once again implicitly) that it had to do with a phobia of black people.

I'm not being rude, but you don't know the first thing about me or my life, and I don't think it was very diplomatic to write something like that, no matter how subtly you phrased it.

No hard feelings, but it did make me cross.

 

[matriarch]

I was cross because I'd been battling against the tide for the whole thread, speaking out against what happened... then to be accused of implicit racism.

I don't know if it was intended that way, Gauche. I'd prefer to think not.

I did feel really cross when I read it, though. Especially when you started psycho-analysing it, and suggesting (once again implicitly) that it had to do with a phobia of black people.

I'm not being rude, but you don't know the first thing about me or my life, and I don't think it was very diplomatic to write something like that, no matter how subtly you phrased it.

No hard feelings, but it did make me cross.

Scheh, believe me, if Gauche had wanted to call you a racist, he would have. I don't think he'd have had any scruples.

I doubt if he was making any point against you at all, merely at the whole sorry story.

Be calm.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was cross because I'd been battling against the tide for the whole thread, speaking out against what happened... then to be accused of implicit racism.

I don't know if it was intended that way, Gauche. I'd prefer to think not.

I did feel really cross when I read it, though. Especially when you started psycho-analysing it, and suggesting (once again implicitly) that it had to do with a phobia of black people.

I'm not being rude, but you don't know the first thing about me or my life, and I don't think it was very diplomatic to write something like that, no matter how subtly you phrased it.

No hard feelings, but it did make me cross.

*sooth, sooth, pat pat*

It's pretty obvious that racism is no part of your makeup, dollink.

And if the background facts were as you'd assumed, then, yes- one would have to wonder.

But, honestly, school admins are so hyper-sensitive to issues of PC-ness that they are strangled by it. They can't even remember what the original issues are. Trust me, I know about it- I've battled the obtusity in every school my children have attended.

I so wish I could cuss in Welsh!

 

[matriarch]

...

I so wish I could cuss in Welsh!

When Scheh and I finally meet, I'm going to get her to say that to me.....with full inflection and rancour included.

I can hardly wait. It will sound incredible.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I so wish I could cuss in Welsh!

I'll give you lessons.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'll give you lessons.

I'd ask you to go easy on me, but that would be begging the purpose, wouldn't it...

 

[cantdog]

Am I a pervert if Oreos makes me think of interracial treesomes?

Actually, there is a racial stereotype with Oreos.

In the day, an "Oreo" was a black man who was white in the center. The angry black activists used the term to deride the brothers who didn't support them.

An "apple" was used the same way for Native Americans who were white in the center.

Go back to what you were doing...

 

[JamesSD]

Everyone also seems to be ignoring the fact that these were NO the only black or other minority students in the school, just two who wishes to play monkeys in the school play along with three of their white friends.

Given the ages involved, I'd guess that the five monkeys were the prize parts and hotly contested. The mother in this case might well have turned her sons triumph at getting a choice role into a tragedy.

Yes, if there's one thing little boys and adult men hate, it's monkeys!

Now, let's say the mother asked her child, "Do you want to be a monkey?" The child says "yes!" Mother should drop it.

If it was against the child's wishes, well then, there's a possible issue.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes, if there's one thing little boys and adult men hate, it's monkeys!

Now, let's say the mother asked her child, "Do you want to be a monkey?" The child says "yes!" Mother should drop it.

If it was against the child's wishes, well then, there's a possible issue.

The mom is not going to drop this, for whatever reason she has in her head.

It obviously has NOTHING to do with the kid's wishes, it's about her in some way.
Poor kid...

 

[scheherazade_79]

Ok, I'm calm now. I have no other option - I only just woke up

Mat - I will perform, but not in front of an audience, because I get the giggles too easily. And if I get the giggles, it means I can't do it convincingly. Either that, or just wind me up enough and it'll happen naturally, audience or no audience.

Stella - You should become a diplomat. I'll teach you how to cuss in Welsh first, though, in case you ever need it Failing that, Roxanne should be able to do a good job of teaching you

Oggs - Combination of nature and nurture. I got annoyed once with a class, and punished them by preaching at them for half an hour without stopping. I had planned on keeping them in over break, but by the end of the half hour most of them were glazed over and had their heads on the desk. I thought that was punishment enough

I can't join in the rest of the debate, sorry. I had no idea that this topic would spiral into such a long thread. It's been fun, but now I've had enough of it.

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