Planned Parenthood Prez: Fund Planned Parenthood to stop abortion

[adrina]

Yours lacks definition.



Deflect and run away.

As usual.

You can lie to yourself all you want and pretend nuance somehow makes it not what it is and shit talk now that you've cornered yourself a hypocrite and partisan hack bullshitter all you want. I did what I came here to do

I look forward to the future and seeing what other special interest you consider rights and have no problem forcing others to fund against their will as long as it's something YOU consider worthy of forcing upon everyone.

Dude at some point you're going to have to realize that you don't engage in debate or discussion. You engage in hyperbole and hostile arguments geared around you purposefully mischaracterizing reality.

I've only got so many hours on this earth... wasting them on you in your endless shenanigans geared toward getting a reaction isn't high on my priority.

I read your first sentence here and said quite literally "who cares".

If you want to think you've scored points or made some grand statement, please feel free. All you've done is what you always do - shut down a conversation because you can't actually engage in discourse.

But hey sure, yeah you did - whatever it is you think you've accomplished. Boy oh boy, I sure feel corrected and am glad you came to the rescue.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've only got so many hours on this earth... wasting them on you in your endless shenanigans geared toward getting a reaction isn't high on my priority.

You're the only one pulling shenanigans.

Outright bullshitting and lying about the things you support.

 

[adrina]

You're the only one pulling shenanigans.

Outright bullshitting and lying about the things you support.

Indeed.

No you don't mischaracterize at all.

Quit trying to exaggerate or mis-state what I have said and what I mean in an attempt to score some cheap points in support of a reality that does not exist.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Indeed.

No you don't mischaracterize at all.

Quit trying to exaggerate or mis-state what I have said and what I mean in an attempt to score some cheap points in support of a reality that does not exist.

What exactly did I exaggerate, mischaracterize or mis-state?

 

[mark_j]

Yes there are. And PPH is the least of the concern but it's number one on the chopping block. The reality is that the defunding of PPH is not a fiscal battle. It's a partisan battle. And it's very very tiring having women's health always being at the forefront of a partisan battle. Especially when it's disguised. Putting lipstick on a pig does not alter the reality that it is indeed still a pig.

Because it isn't about "women's health", as you so quaintly put it, it's about abortion, pure and simple. Quit trying to sugar coat that fact.

Actually no it really doesn't. Especially when compared next to the oil subsidies and I can guarantee that PPH does more over all good than the oil companies.

But we're not talking about oil companies are we. We are talking about PPH.

No. Not when there are states with one, two or three and women have to drive a half day to get there. You say 10k as if that's a big number. You do realize the size of our population right?

326 mil + change..

How about the men? Seriously.

What about them? Look, if they aren't taking proper precautions in regard to reproductive responsibility then they are being just as stupid as anyone else. But you and I both know that as yet their options as far as BC are rather limited. That neither excuses nor negates male irresponsibility it's just a simple fact.

It's always put on as the woman's poor choice. She didn't get pregnant alone. See... this is my problem and why I get my back up. It's always treated as if the woman is an irresponsible trollop and no mention of the man.

It takes two people to create a pregnancy and one person to prevent it.

Who is the ultimate arbiter of your pregnancy?

The reality is that most women who get abortions are already mothers and were using protection. We know this through statistics. We can surmise with a great deal of surety that the men who impregnated these women cannot say the same about their statistics and protection usage.

You view it in punitive measures. Don't you find that the least bit odd?

Also, Hyde Amendment. Taxpayer money does not fund abortion.

Punitive? Really? How about being responsible. Barring accidents, failures or criminal acts, there is no reason anyone should become pregnant in this day and age unless they want to.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because it isn't about "women's health", as you so quaintly put it, it's about abortion, pure and simple. Quit trying to sugar coat that fact.

No it's not.

It's about MONEY.

The right to abortions and choice is not at all threatened by defunding pp.

A woman can still go down to a doc and make an appointment.

She just can't force everyone else to pay for it and that's what's Adrina is pissed about.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have never had any dealings with PP, that I can recall. I would have, if the need had ever arisen, but it never has. Do they charge anything for any of their services?

I believe one of the greatest benefits they provide the public is sending parts of aborted fetuses, especially stem cells, to legit researchers and medical facilities, thereby doing immeasurable good for humanity. That, in itself, is reason enough, in my opinion, to keep them operating.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I have never had any dealings with PP, that I can recall. I would have, if the need had ever arisen, but it never has. Do they charge anything for any of their services?

I believe one of the greatest benefits they provide the public is sending parts of aborted fetuses, especially stem cells, to legit researchers and medical facilities, thereby doing immeasurable good for humanity. That, in itself, is reason enough, in my opinion, to keep them operating.

Nothing stopping you and all their other supporters from cutting them a check right now.

 

[mark_j]

No it's not.

It's about MONEY.

The right to abortions and choice is not at all threatened by defunding pp.

A woman can still go down to a doc and make an appointment.

She just can't force everyone else to pay for it and that's what's Adrina is pissed about.

No kidding, eh?

Nothing stopping you and all their other supporters from cutting them a check right now.

And cut off all that sweet government money? Perish the thought!

 

[adrina]

Because it isn't about "women's health", as you so quaintly put it, it's about abortion, pure and simple. Quit trying to sugar coat that fact.

Duh. Abortion is part of women's healthcare. What is so hard to understand about that?

But we're not talking about oil companies are we. We are talking about PPH.

You seem only concerned about the waste in regards to PPH - whose waste is laughably pitiful in comparison the the bigger fish.

Your priorities are out of whack. Why focus on the minnow when there is a big shark that needs reigning in to significantly more savings?

326 mil + change..

Yes. And you should realize that there is already a shortage of clinics, doctors and medical practitioners. Why in the face of such a large and growing population do you want to shut down healthcare providers?

Bye bye PPH, hello more women who can't afford it having children

OB Gyn Shortage dangerous for pregnant women

Estimated demand for women's health services to grow by 6% by 2020

Local women dealing with healthcare shortages

Just a small handful of the articles available which document the real need for clinics and the problem with just not having them there anymore.

What about them? Look, if they aren't taking proper precautions in regard to reproductive responsibility then they are being just as stupid as anyone else. But you and I both know that as yet their options as far as BC are rather limited. That neither excuses nor negates male irresponsibility it's just a simple fact.

Having an abortion is taking responsibility.

It takes two people to create a pregnancy and one person to prevent it.

Who is the ultimate arbiter of your pregnancy?



Punitive? Really? How about being responsible. Barring accidents, failures or criminal acts, there is no reason anyone should become pregnant in this day and age unless they want to.

Yes punitive because you are dealing with it like a crime that needs to be controlled and limited. It's a basic needed medical procedure and all you can talk about is how we need to cut funding to a clinic that happens to provide abortions - regardless of where the money goes and the good it does for society.

You want to limit something regardless of practicality, need. importance and value to society as a whole. If your logic isn't motivated by the need or desire to punish, how do you explain your irrational and illogical stance? Especially in terms of your judgmentalism.

 

[Que]

No kidding, eh?



And cut off all that sweet government money? Perish the thought!

But if you cut off the money from PP (while making exactly those same Healthcare dollars available to any other provider) all of the healthcare professionals who currently work at Planned Parenthood not doing abortions 97% of the time will have to simply quit and choose another profession. Women will die.

Healthcare skills that they developed while working for Planned Parenthood will translate to any other non abortion-related facility. Which is a shame because they spend 97% of their day not performing abortions.

...and of course the ones that are currently performing abortions would not be able to find a surgical suite, anywhere to perform those abortions which were already being financed entirely with not government dollars.

Have a heart, man!

 

[Que]

Duh. Abortion is part of women's healthcare.

Planned Parenthood is by far and away the largest abortion provider in America. And since abortions are only 3% of what they do you can just imagine how much they do for women and how important they are to Women's Health Care.

Seems like it should be pretty easy to spin off 3% of their business model and take care of those 97% percent, all so important, not covered by anyone else services!

The new and improved abortion Services Company could easily be fully funded since they're already fully funding all of their abortions without using any federal dollars. Right?

 

[adrina]

Planned Parenthood is by far and away the largest abortion provider in America. And since abortions are only 3% of what they do you can just imagine how much they do for women and how important they are to Women's Health Care.

Seems like it should be pretty easy to spin off 3% of their business model and take care of those 97% percent, all so important, not covered by anyone else services!

The new and improved abortion Services Company could easily be fully funded since they're already fully funding all of their abortions without using any federal dollars. Right?

Get a new hobby.

 

[Que]

Get a new hobby.

I have several. Of course none of them are ias interesting and rewarding as your hobby of being a non-paid propagandist for Planned Parenthood.

 

[adrina]

I have several. Of course none of them are ias interesting and rewarding as your hobby of being a non-paid propagandist for Planned Parenthood.

My advice stands then: get a new hobby. You apparently have a paucity of activities to keep you sufficiently occupied.

 

[Vetteman]

No it's not.

It's about MONEY.

The right to abortions and choice is not at all threatened by defunding pp.

A woman can still go down to a doc and make an appointment.

She just can't force everyone else to pay for it and that's what's Adrina is pissed about.

Same could be said for lots of things taxes go for, the military, roads, education. Not everyone is in favor of how those dollars are spent, but this is America and we pay our taxes. If you don't like it Mexico has great margaritas.

 

[Vetteman]

Planned Parenthood is by far and away the largest abortion provider in America. And since abortions are only 3% of what they do you can just imagine how much they do for women and how important they are to Women's Health Care.

Seems like it should be pretty easy to spin off 3% of their business model and take care of those 97% percent, all so important, not covered by anyone else services!

The new and improved abortion Services Company could easily be fully funded since they're already fully funding all of their abortions without using any federal dollars. Right?

You must be too young to remember back alley abortions.

 

[mark_j]

Duh. Abortion is part of women's healthcare. What is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing hard about it. I'm tired of the sugar coating in an effort to obfuscate what it really is. You want to get an abortion, get an abortion. I don't really give a shit. You want to advocate for an abortion clinic on every street corner? Do it. You want the government to pay for it? Write your congresscritter and demand it. But quit trying to wrap it all up in a lot of pretty words and platitudes.

FFS call a spade a spade.

You seem only concerned about the waste in regards to PPH - whose waste is laughably pitiful in comparison the the bigger fish.

Your priorities are out of whack. Why focus on the minnow when there is a big shark that needs reigning in to significantly more savings?

Wrong. I'm concerned about ALL government waste, abuse and fraud. But all that other stuff isn't pertinent to this discussion.

Yes. And you should realize that there is already a shortage of clinics, doctors and medical practitioners. Why in the face of such a large and growing population do you want to shut down healthcare providers?

Who said I wanted to shut anyone down?

Bye bye PPH, hello more women who can't afford it having children

Texas has it's own problems. I have no dog in that hunt.

OB Gyn Shortage dangerous for pregnant women
Estimated demand for women's health services to grow by 6% by 2020
Local women dealing with healthcare shortages

Just a small handful of the articles available which document the real need for clinics and the problem with just not having them there anymore.

Yeah this is a problem with a lot of medical providers/doctors. Many don't accept Medicare/Medicaid as it doesn't pay jack to the providers.

Having an abortion is taking responsibility.

No shit.. however it should only be used as a last resort.

Yes punitive because you are dealing with it like a crime that needs to be controlled and limited.

I never said anything of a sort. Stop projecting your bullshit on me.

It's a basic needed medical procedure and all you can talk about is how we need to cut funding to a clinic that happens to provide abortions - regardless of where the money goes and the good it does for society.

You want to limit something regardless of practicality, need. importance and value to society as a whole. If your logic isn't motivated by the need or desire to punish, how do you explain your irrational and illogical stance? Especially in terms of your judgmentalism.

Is PPH not a charity organisation? Doesn't my Obamacare premiums already pay for shit I don't use? PPH included? Do I not already pay for Medicare/Medicaid tax deductions even though I qualify for neither? Haven’t I already said that I support your right to choose? Am I not entitled to an opinion without YOUR judgementalism?

No?

Then fuck you sweetheart..

Go wear your pussy hat, jump up and down if it makes you feel better.. I don't give a shit one way or the other any more.

 

[adrina]

Nothing hard about it. I'm tired of the sugar coating in an effort to obfuscate what it really is. You want to get an abortion, get an abortion. I don't really give a shit. You want to advocate for an abortion clinic on every street corner? Do it. You want the government to pay for it? Write your congresscritter and demand it. But quit trying to wrap it all up in a lot of pretty words and platitudes.

FFS call a spade a spade.

Yes abortion is part of women's healthcare. Ever heard of an ectopic pregnancy? Pregnancy is risky and expensive. It changes a woman's body forever. If any woman doesn't want to take that on, she should without interference from her government and without undue hardship (like drive half a day and have 3 day waiting periods), be able to go and get one.

Let's see if you can wrap your head around these words: Hyde Amendment. The federal government does not pay for abortion. Medicare reimburses medical providers, including PPH, for things like BC, screenings, STD treatments etc. Medicare funds do not go to abortion.

So you want me to use the histrionic language and say abortion is killing babies? It is ending a human life. Yes. Do you want me to get all hysterical about that like so many do? We kill people every damn day through our neglect and outright abuse - people who feel it and experience all the horrors with it. Abortion is a much more merciful tool than starvation or war. But it's only the wee little babes that so many seem to care about. And only while they are in the womb. Spare me the platitudes about abortion being murder while we have congressman that vote to starve children while sitting on a soap box of self righteous judgement about abortion.

Wrong. I'm concerned about ALL government waste, abuse and fraud. But all that other stuff isn't pertinent to this discussion.

Well apparently I missed your spate of posts in regards to all of this other government waste you are so concerned about amidst all of your abortion funding posts.

Who said I wanted to shut anyone down?

You want to cut medicare funding to them and that would force the closure of some of their most vulnerable clinics.

Texas has it's own problems. I have no dog in that hunt.

Texas isn't the only one.

Yeah this is a problem with a lot of medical providers/doctors. Many don't accept Medicare/Medicaid as it doesn't pay jack to the providers.

So... you want to cut funding to one of the few that does? This is logical how?

No shit.. however it should only be used as a last resort.

It quite literally is.

I never said anything of a sort. Stop projecting your bullshit on me.

Then recognize it as a necessary part of women's healthcare, quit trying to cut funding to one of the nation's few medicare accepting healthcare providers for women.

Is PPH not a charity organisation? Doesn't my Obamacare premiums already pay for shit I don't use? PPH included? Do I not already pay for Medicare/Medicaid tax deductions even though I qualify for neither? Haven’t I already said that I support your right to choose? Am I not entitled to an opinion without YOUR judgementalism?

No?

Then fuck you sweetheart..

Go wear your pussy hat, jump up and down if it makes you feel better..

Are you aware that on the federal level, no insurance can cover abortion for federal employees? And at the state level, a good number of states have blocked private insurers from covering abortion for anyone. BC is mandated by the ACA - well unless you're special like Hobby Lobby and can force your employees to live by your religion. You seem to have a serious dearth of real knowledge.

Ahhh so it took about a dozen posts but here we are. And you wonder why I know you deal with abortion in punitive measures.

But hey I'll just wear my pussy hat because that's what some asshat who can't figure out he's in the wrong tells me to do.

 

[Que]

Dude at some point you're going to have to realize that I don't engage in debate or discussion. I engage in hyperbole and hostile arguments geared around my purposeful mischaracterization of reality.

You've only got so many hours on this earth... wasting them on me in my endless shenanigans geared toward getting a reaction should not be high on your priorities list.

BotanyBoy, I think you and I should probably heed this advice.

 

[adrina]

BotanyBoy, I think you and I should probably heed this advice.

Awww you think you're being clever. Bless your heart.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Same could be said for lots of things taxes go for,

Not everyone is in favor of how those dollars are spent, but this is America and we pay our taxes.

That doesn't change what it is and it doesn't make defunding PP a violation of womens rights nor does it remove their right to choose to have an abortion if they want.

If you don't like it Mexico has great margaritas.

Nobody likes it, I'm just not bull shitting about what it is that's going on and what people are bent about with regard to defunding PP.

It's not about losing rights or choice.....it's about losing free shit.

 

[water505]

It's not about losing rights or choice.....it's about losing free shit.

It's always about losing free shit they claim as an inherent right.

 

[badbabysitter]

That doesn't change what it is and it doesn't make defunding PP a violation of womens rights

Which she never claimed, cheerleader

that's true, it doesnt... but you defund one of the handful of groups that is providing abortions and then create laws and regulations to ensure abortions have diffculty even being allowed to perform

Nobody likes it, I'm just not bull shitting

Nope, you are bullshitting

about what it is that's going on and what people are bent about with regard to defunding PP.

Like yourself, you had to have the Hyde ammendment explained to you in this thread, just like you've had to have it explained to you in the past.. either you're stupid or intellectually dishonest

It's not about losing rights or choice.....it's about losing free shit.

It is about choice; ie restricting choice. What you don't know about women and the law never fails to astound me

 

[badbabysitter]

A woman can still go down to a doc and make an appointment.

Absolutely . she can

The procedure may never take place due to restrictive laws and regulations, and there may be no place for the woman to have the procedure legally done

But , by golly, she can make an appointment

You told us, cheerleader