Planned Parenthood Prez: Fund Planned Parenthood to stop abortion

[irksomesauce]

Abortion is important to weak, insecure women.

Fyp, so that it truly reflects those who intentionally kill totally innocent and completely defenseless human life just to feel like they're anything but the babykillers they are.

 

[adrina]

I'm an idiot and have no idea what I'm talking about so it's best not to listen to me.

Fixed your post.

 

[Que]

No human life is innocent - especially at this stage of the game. But hey let's have hyperbole and inflammatory language guide policy that effects half the population cuz.. yeah that's the thing to do.

What is "the game" and exactly what stage are we at?? What were the preceding stages and how, during those stages did the concept of innocence change.

Followup: how can cells be "guilty" and of what?

You know I'm starting to come around to your side of the argument. Men are much more likely to be both the perpetrators and the victims of violence so I don't know why women get any say at all in passing legislation about such things or serving as judges on cases involving violent crime.

 

[adrina]

You know I'm starting to come around to your side of the argument. Men are much more likely to be both the perpetrators and the victims of violence so I don't know why women get any say at all in passing legislation about such things or serving as judges on cases involving violent crime.

Again, whatever dude.

Considering that men are 80% of the government, I'd say you've got your wish.

But hey keep pulling shit out of your ass. It's pretty much what you do.

 

[hsnh]

For me, two abortions are more than understandable.
Accidents happen, and in this day and age it's hard to raise kids. Even worse to put them in foster homes where they might risk being abused.

But more than two:
It suggests that the person is sloppy and using abortion as a method of birth control. And that becomes reprehensible.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just be honest and admit you don't know how to debate without making wild extrapolations.

You want to use government force to make EVERYONE pay for PP do you not?

 

[adrina]

You want to use government force to make EVERYONE pay for PP do you not?

Keep spinning.

I'm assuming by your attitude that you want no medicare at all - regardless of the provider. Unless that is, your problem is specifically with PPH?

 

[hsnh]

You want to use government force to make EVERYONE pay for PP do you not?

Why not?
They provide contraception, which in the long term would lead to decreased "costs" for the taxpayer.

You guys are already sharing the burden of financing wars abroad.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Keep spinning.

Spinning?

Asking you a DIRECT and simple question isn't spinning anything.

Last I checked you wanted public funding for PP....so answer the question.

You want to use government force to make EVERYONE pay for PP do you not?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It's definitely the control freak aspect. Que's posts practically shout it. I'm sure you've noticed that he responds very differently when he thinks he's answering a woman.

I don't agree. Que has always been respectful and has engaged me intellectually whether we agree or not. We mostly disagree. In what way do you say he responds differently to women? Can you give examples?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why not?
They provide contraception, which in the long term would lead to decreased "costs" for the taxpayer.

You guys are already sharing the burden of financing wars abroad.

I never said I was against it.

But adrina is full of shit.

She claims to fight for women's rights (which has nothing to do with funding pp) but is really fighting for funding.

The right to choose and get HC isn't lost.....just getting free shit is lost, that's what she's pissed about.

She's just too petty and chicken shit to own it.

I am unapologetically pro-choice. I will fight vociferously for a woman's right to have an abortion as well as her right to carry through with the pregnancy. I do not see that as trying to cram my view down someone's throat. Especially as opposed to those that are anti-abortion that will only fight against abortion.

The part where the woman makes the decision for herself and has unfettered access to medical care.

The process? So you're squeamish? Or is it the control freak aspect? Do you want or need a sanitized life?

Apparently you're far too histrionic to deal with the realities of abortion.

No. Fighting for women's healthcare is noble and rational.

You have the weird obsession.

You want to stop funding based on a procedure you can't even explain why you dislike it to the point where you would cut off basic health services to the most poor and most needy in society.

Why?

That's what pro-choice is - a recognition of the other side. As opposed to places like China that mandate abortions.

I didn't say ALL women. But you cannot deny that abortion is an important part of women's healthcare, surely?

I don't care if a person has a different opinion they wish to apply to themselves. It's when they wish to apply their opinion to others I have a problem with. As should you.

It's not about righteous. It's about all people having the ability to act in accordance with their conscience.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Why is everyone still arguing over shit we've argued about for decades? Waste of time. What have opinions about abortion and none of us are about to change our mind. Our minds are closed on this issue. The only thing I find interesting about abortion is how to get what you want, which is to make the laws of this country agree with what you want. That takes real work. Opening a Change.org protest, and clicking "send" after Google Chrome auto fills the entries isn't work.

 

[adrina]

Spinning?

Asking you a DIRECT and simple question isn't spinning anything.

Last I checked you wanted public funding for PP....so answer the question.

You want to use government force to make EVERYONE pay for PP do you not?

No more than I want taxpayer dollars "forced" for any other service.

I asked you a direct and simple question yet I'm the avoiding the answer? I didn't see you answer my direct and simple question.

Do you not want medicare at all? Do you want to cut funding for all medical providers or just PPH?

 

[adrina]

I never said I was against it.

But adrina is full of shit.

She claims to fight for women's rights (which has nothing to do with funding pp) but is really fighting for funding.

The right to choose and get HC isn't lost.....just getting free shit is lost, that's what she's pissed about.

She's just too petty and chicken shit to own it.

Dude... do you want medicare funding cut for all medical providers or just PPH?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Look! It's the psycho bitch again! LadyFunkenblack.

You are a very narcissistic troll/alt, and dull too. You aren't funny, and you didn't say anything of substance. You merely called me a "psychobitch" (shows your age by the way) and that is it. Wasn't even clever. . Oh yes, you also changed my handle to "funkenblack" to ensure everyone knows I am black. They do have eyes. Goodbye old woman.

 

[irksomesauce]

Oh yes, you also changed my handle to "funkenblack" to ensure everyone knows I am black.

Monkey boy the friggin' plagiarist.

 

[hsnh]

I don't agree. Que has always been respectful and has engaged me intellectually whether we agree or not. We mostly disagree. In what way do you say he responds differently to women? Can you give examples?

I never saw Que as being biased against women or creepy in that way either, tbh.
(despite his creepy inuendoes about my "humilliation fetish".)

Just narcissistic as fuck and the type who's unable to forget any slight.
A much more evolved version of RobDownSouth. Who's trolling you at this very moment, btw.

 

[Que]

Monkey boy the friggin' plagiarist.

Don't take it personally. Everything in his life that he's ever been proud of, he plagerized. It's what he does. He collected little anecdotes and speeches to use at Toastmasters he grabbed little Twitter insults to use here. Once all the little twitter barbs and retorts had made their rounds he was left with no new source of material which is why he's only got about 32 stock phrases, and a dozen cartoons he posts.

 

[mark_j]

I don't do their books. And frankly in all honesty, I don't really have too much concern for it. There are far bigger sources of waste going on - in medicare and in the government itself. Ones that actually aren't investments into society.

At least you recognise a huge waste problem with government programs.

Frankly I'm not even sure about the $700 mil as the only things I found on it were from a bunch of anti-abortion propaganda sites. And like hell I'm going to entertain someone's circle jerk when the only reason they are in this debate is to try to piss me off.

It seems that the figure is actually about 77mil according to most of the sites I came across and these ran the gamut between CNN, Heritage Foundation, American Center for Law and Justice, all the way out to Breitbart hit pieces. The actual number is probably unimportant. The issue is that for an organisation who says they are a "non-profit" they sure do have a business model that is generating a substantial amount of excess coin..

Kinda makes you go Hmmmmmmmm.

The reality is still that there are not enough clinics. Even the $700 mil would not be enough to set up enough clinics. Especially at the rate the anti-abortion zealots have been getting them shut down.

So 10k+ women's reproductive health clinics of all types isn't enough? Or is it only the ones PP sponsors that concern you.

Why isn't pro-choice adequate? Why isn't pro-choice acceptable? Why must it be no abortions?

I have no issue with pro-choice. I'm all for it. By all means you have the right to choose. While I think that abortion is a necessary option, I'd prefer if it was not abused as a "method" of birth control. I also realise that accidents and other things happen.

I guess what I'm trying to convey (and probably very poorly) is take responsibility for your own actions and quit expecting the government to bail your ass out when you make a poor choice.

 

[adrina]

At least you recognise a huge waste problem with government programs.

Yes there are. And PPH is the least of the concern but it's number one on the chopping block. The reality is that the defunding of PPH is not a fiscal battle. It's a partisan battle. And it's very very tiring having women's health always being at the forefront of a partisan battle. Especially when it's disguised. Putting lipstick on a pig does not alter the reality that it is indeed still a pig.

It seems that the figure is actually about 77mil according to most of the sites I came across and these ran the gamut between CNN, Heritage Foundation, American Center for Law and Justice, all the way out to Breitbart hit pieces. The actual number is probably unimportant. The issue is that for an organisation who says they are a "non-profit" they sure do have a business model that is generating a substantial amount of excess coin..

Kinda makes you go Hmmmmmmmm.

Actually no it really doesn't. Especially when compared next to the oil subsidies and I can guarantee that PPH does more over all good than the oil companies.

So 10k+ women's reproductive health clinics of all types isn't enough? Or is it only the ones PP sponsors that concern you.

No. Not when there are states with one, two or three and women have to drive a half day to get there. You say 10k as if that's a big number. You do realize the size of our population right?

I have no issue with pro-choice. I'm all for it. By all means you have the right to choose. While I think that abortion is a necessary option, I'd prefer if it was not abused as a "method" of birth control. I also realise that accidents and other things happen.

I guess what I'm trying to convey (and probably very poorly) is take responsibility for your own actions and quit expecting the government to bail your ass out when you make a poor choice.

How about the men? Seriously. It's always put on as the woman's poor choice. She didn't get pregnant alone. See... this is my problem and why I get my back up. It's always treated as if the woman is an irresponsible trollop and no mention of the man. The reality is that most women who get abortions are already mothers and were using protection. We know this through statistics. We can surmise with a great deal of surety that the men who impregnated these women cannot say the same about their statistics and protection usage.

You view it in punitive measures. Don't you find that the least bit odd?

Also, Hyde Amendment. Taxpayer money does not fund abortion.

 

[irksomesauce]

Friggin' floozies always gotta blame a man for themselves being too weak to keep their legs shut.

Sluts should all just turn homo like that girlsmedly abnormality.

 

[adrina]

Friggin' floozies always gotta blame a man for themselves being too weak to keep their legs shut.

Sluts should all just turn homo like that girlsmedly abnormality.

Then ya'll would never get laid.

Think about your logistical realities here.

Just sayin'.

 

[irksomesauce]

17+ years of total cave of death abstinence and this glorious 10" of beautiful loveloaf has never swung sweeter.

Babykillers as women always overrate themselves.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No more than I want taxpayer dollars "forced" for any other service.

So is that a yes?

I asked you a direct and simple question yet I'm the avoiding the answer? I didn't see you answer my direct and simple question.

I asked first and you answered with a question.
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So I didn't see how you were expecting me to answer your questions when you won't answer mine.

Do you not want medicare at all?

No.

See how simple and easy that is?

Dude... do you want medicare funding cut for all medical providers or just PPH?

They should NOT be involved in the economic side of HC, insurance or any other industry.


Public/environmental safety regs and standards sure....but even that shit should be scrutinized as not to be abused and weaponized on the markets.

It's my belief that here in the USA it's not the governments job to pay for everyone's shit. Capitalism....freedom....M'aricuh.....you want a bunch of free shit you need to pack up and move to Europe.

 

[adrina]

No.

See how simple and easy that is?

They should NOT be involved in the economic side of HC, insurance or any other industry.


Public/environmental safety regs and standards sure....but even that shit should be scrutinized as not to be abused and weaponized on the markets.

Clarity. Gotcha.

Yes I do as I think it is an investment into society.