Perversions, Perversions, Perversions...

[VerbalAbuse]

Personally, if my cock isn't hard while I'm writing then I put the story aside. I may or may not cum back to it depending on whether or not I can figure out why.

how long are your writing sessions?

 

[Lumiere_Amie]

Depends on how much free time I have!

 

[AchtungNight]

Personally, if my cock isn't hard while I'm writing then I put the story aside. I may or may not cum back to it depending on whether or not I can figure out why.

True that here too. I will admit I have even gotten into my gay male characters at times, though it hasn't lasted. Who knows, I may give Del, Baxter, Asher, and the rest a detailed story at some point. [shakes head]

 

[EmilyMiller]

Personally, if my cock isn't hard while I'm writing then I put the story aside. I may or may not cum back to it depending on whether or not I can figure out why.

Priapism must be… er… hard to cope with.

Emily

 

[SimonDoom]

For me, as far as incest is concerned, it's very much a matter of the stories leading me to the kink rather than the other way around. Incest never even occurred to me as a kink until I discovered online erotica around the turn of the millennium, when I was in my mid-30s.

My reaction at first was puzzlement, and then thinking to myself, "This is bat-shit crazy, but I kind of like it." The crazy was part of what made me ultimately enjoy it, just from a reader's standpoint. I read a lot of incest stories in the early 2000s, here and elsewhere. When I finally started writing at Literotica, I knew I was going to try an incest story, but I didn't actually publish one until about six months after I started. I think it was my seventh Literotica story. I was amazed at the reception it got. I think I'd read enough incest stuff over a sufficiently long time that I'd absorbed the elements of its appeal and what made the stories work. It was fun to put into practice as a writer what I had absorbed as a reader over the previous 16 years.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

For me, as far as incest is concerned, it's very much a matter of the stories leading me to the kink rather than the other way around. Incest never even occurred to me as a kink until I discovered online erotica around the turn of the millennium, when I was in my mid-30s.

My reaction at first was puzzlement, and then thinking to myself, "This is bat-shit crazy, but I kind of like it." The crazy was part of what made me ultimately enjoy it, just from a reader's standpoint. I read a lot of incest stories in the early 2000s, here and elsewhere. When I finally started writing at Literotica, I knew I was going to try an incest story, but I didn't actually publish one until about six months after I started. I think it was my seventh Literotica story. I was amazed at the reception it got. I think I'd read enough incest stuff over a sufficiently long time that I'd absorbed the elements of its appeal and what made the stories work. It was fun to put into practice as a writer what I had absorbed as a reader over the previous 16 years.

I am wondering how much our constant exposure to Lit - its stories and forum even, has rewired our brains into considering it all so common

 

[Djmac1031]

I am wondering how much our constant exposure to Lit - its stories and forum even, has rewired our brains into considering it all so common

It is kind of a Chicken or Egg question: is things like incest porn so popular because erotica and porn made it a trope, or did it become a trope because the demand was already there and viewers / readers / writers made it a trope?

 

[SimonDoom]

I am wondering how much our constant exposure to Lit - its stories and forum even, has rewired our brains into considering it all so common

Absolutely, yes, it has an impact. Exposure normalizes things. I go "eh, so what" to things today that 30 years ago might have creeped me out. But I think that's a good thing, because I think an open mind and a tolerant mind is a better mind.

But as to "common": I don't ever fool myself into thinking that just because consensual adult incest is a popular and commonly written theme at Literotica that it is common in real life. I would say, based on comments from readers I've received, that it's probably a little bit more common than I would have thought before I started reading stories, because I have on occasion received feedback (usually private) from readers saying my stories made them think wistfully about relationships they'd had with relatives.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I mean, going back to when I was a teenager, I remember lusting over some friend's hot mom, and I remember those fantasies being similar to what still turns me on, but never did I ever, ever, ever fantasize about that hot mom doing anything with her son or daughter and I am quite sure I would have been disgusted at the very thought. Yet now, I can actually read an incest story and find it hot as long as it goes along with my preferred kinks. I would still be happier if the story were about "step" somethings and not truly incest but yeah, I can read it anyway.
I feel desensitized

 

[BuckyDuckman]

Nothing much, really. Your post just jogged my memory about a previous discussion. Anyway, your reasons for writing incest are quite clear and understandable and they fall into the category of "writing something because it's popular", but I was more interested in hearing the thoughts of people who truly enjoy writing incest even if they aren't into it in real life. I mean, I am guessing there are reasons for writing incest that go beyond its popularity.

For me, it's the low-hanging fruit of built-in tension and drama mixed with the challenge of "Okay, how DO I get these people to go there?"

Everyone knows incest is bad, wrong, illegal, and widely considered immoral. Those are so damn big obstacles to overcome!

Oh yeah? Hold my beer. . . LOL

For a lot of people, having an affair or trying same-sex sex can be just as challenging.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I've written about a loving husband and wife, doing about every position they can with each other, including her deepthroating him, him fucking his wife in the ass, and her sucking him off in the car while he's driving. I've written about them in an MFM with her tied to the bed, an FMF with the women tormenting him, her doing her girlfriend in front of him, and the wife going down on a guy in a restaurant while other watch. Then there are the multiple lovers, one after another or two at a time for either of them at parties, often while their spouse watches. Then there's her nightclub gangbang and her encounter with the tentacle monster.

But in real life, .... well, we haven't found a tentacle monster.

 

[Britva415]

I imagine that although there are some incest writers that have a real life interest in incest, most of those that write incest are not into actual incest.

I think it completely depends what you mean by "into it" and "not into it."

One could take "not into it" to mean that they write erotic incest stories even though they might be actually squicked by it - actively turned off by it. Or completely disinterested in even the idea of it, in real life. I'm not convinced at all that much of anyone does this, but I feel like this is who you're talking about?

One could take it to mean that they write erotic incest stories even though they never have and intentionally never will have incestuous sex. These people may or may not be turned on by the idea of incest, but I think more likely than not, they are. They are "into it" as an idea or a fantasy but not "into it" as a potential real life activity. I'm sure some of our incest authors are in this category.

Or they really are into it and wish they could, but would never dare to try because of the risks of getting rejected, or exposed, or jailed, none of which risks the author is "in to." I'm sure each of those accounts for some of our incest authors.

One could take it to mean that they write erotic incest stories even though they would never be interested in any of their own real-life family members. (If only their real-life sister wasn't so unappealing and - worse - unapproachable!)

I feel like you must have it backwards: Rather than "most of those that write incest are not into actual incest," I think, sure, there are some incest writers that have no real life interest in incest, while most of them must, at one or more of the levels I described above - whether they would ever act on it in real life or not.

 

[Lumiere_Amie]

Priapism must be… er… hard to cope with.

Emily

Ok ok. I'm a guy prone to exaggeration. But seriously, if what I am writing doesn't excite my them why bother?

 

[AG31]

No right or wrong.

Just not intelligent.

Enough of that "50 shades of grey" nonsense, I say. Some, like me, want something that at the very least begins to make sense.

I can't buy it when it's that dumb.

I don't think erotica is meant to be intelligent. Just because you don't relate to something doesn't mean that it's not powerful, at an erotic level, for someone else. There's a vast variety of things that push people's buttons.

 

[AG31]

I reckon a lot of authors write about things they are NOT interested in in real life.

Example: I imagine that although there are some incest writers that have a real life interest in incest, most of those that write incest are not into actual incest.

Likewise, I feel inclined to write about stuff that would not interest me in real life.

I'm talking about kinks and perversions, of course.

Any intelligent or less than intelligent thoughts about this?

I've long been struck by how absolutely separate my erotic fantasies and writing are from my real life. My fantasies are pretty harsh S&M (see my signature). They're always male based, and I'm female. My RL sex life is exceedingly vanilla.

I can't think of a moment when I've entertained the idea of getting into a real life version of my fantasies. Basically I think I'd feel silly.

There are three minor exceptions, where snippets of vanilla EC came to me and I wrote them down. I was very surprised, as I don't think I'd had a vanilla fantasy since high school.

Now a few replies to other responders to the thread:

The explorer - you are genuinely interested in a subject, or at least fascinated by it and want to explore it through fantasies. Maybe because you have no means to explore it in reality, maybe because you are afraid of doing so, or maybe because doing so would be highly illegal.

I'm definitely an explorer. I spend time finding the right words to record fantasies that have turned me on. But I have no desire to explore it in reality.

For some time, I’ve pretty much only written about things that interest me IRL. By which I mean that arouse me IRL, not necessarily that I have participated in them IRL (though there is a significant overlap).

I only read and write stories that turn me on as I'm imagining them and reading them. The actual putting "pen" to "paper" not so much.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

I don't think erotica is meant to be intelligent. Just because you don't relate to something doesn't mean that it's not powerful, at an erotic level, for someone else. There's a vast variety of things that push people's buttons.

If you put it like this, what's meant to be intelligent? Politics?
Just because I don't relate to some politician's speech, it doesn't mean that it's not powerful for someone else. There's a vast variety of things that push people's buttons. Then they bitterly regret voting for brexit.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Ok ok. I'm a guy prone to exaggeration. But seriously, if what I am writing doesn't excite my them why bother?

I agree, hun. Just yanking your… chain

I get aroused writing too - though there is less wood involved

 

[AG31]

If you put it like this, what's meant to be intelligent? Politics?
Just because I don't relate to some politician's speech, it doesn't mean that it's not powerful for someone else. There's a vast variety of things that push people's buttons. Then they bitterly regret voting for brexit.

Read my post "How Obvious." That has my answer.

 

[EmilyMiller]

No right or wrong.

Just not intelligent.

Enough of that "50 shades of grey" nonsense, I say. Some, like me, want something that at the very least begins to make sense.

I can't buy it when it's that dumb.

I was PMing another author about this the other day. It’s porn, yes. But it doesn’t have to be derivative, poorly plotted porn. Porn works better when there is at least some reason for the hot sex.

Emily

 

[Lumiere_Amie]

I agree, hun. Just yanking your… chain

I get aroused writing too - though there is less wood involved

Oh dear, Emily. Please don't mention yanking anything. I have too much respect for you to allow my mind to go there.

 

[ElectricBlue]

But on a more abstract, general level, I get erotic pleasure from the idea of pushing boundaries, stretching limits, and getting downright naughty and subversive. That's where the appeal of something like incest lies. I have no personal experience with it, and no, contrary to what ElectricBlue might think I have never actually lusted over, or fantasized about, my mother, or any relative. But I enjoy the somewhat goofy, over-the-top subversiveness of incest stories. The taboo of incest is an erotic stimulant. The pleasure of the forbidden.

EB looked at Simon's post, thinking, surely to God the guy doesn't think I was serious?

Note to self: explain the concept, "taking the piss" to Simon.

"I'm disappointed, though," said Simon's sister Suzy. "I always thought his feelings for me were genuine."

"Don't be silly," said Simon's mom. "You know he's an only child. You're just EB's fantasy. But Simon's always got his mom." She went upstairs with a mug of coffee, and I've got to admit, she looked pretty damn good in that tight skirt.

 

[SimonDoom]

EB looked at Simon's post, thinking, surely to God the guy doesn't think I was serious?

Note to self: explain the concept, "taking the piss" to Simon.

"I'm disappointed, though," said Simon's sister Suzy. "I always thought his feelings for me were genuine."

"Don't be silly," said Simon's mom. "You know he's an only child. You're just EB's fantasy. But Simon's always got his mom." She went upstairs with a mug of coffee, and I've got to admit, she looked pretty damn good in that tight skirt.

I'm yanking your chain, dude. God knows you've yanked mine often enough.

 

[ElectricBlue]

This, too. I've written some incest stories because doing so boosts readers, favorites, and followers. It has dramatically increased the attention to all of my stories, not just incest stories. I think that's perfectly legitimate.

At one point you swore blind it was never about the numbers, when I cynically suggested it was.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm yanking your chain, dude. God knows you've yanked mine often enough.

Good man .

 

[SimonDoom]

At one point you swore blind it was never about the numbers, when I cynically suggested it was.

I never did that. I think I have consistently said that I write for multiple purposes. Not every story is written with the same goal in mind. I've been very transparent from the beginning that I wrote Late Night On The Loveseat With Mom in 2017 with the explicit goal of wanting to get the most views possible. And I accomplished exactly what I wanted to with that story, and to this day I'm glad I did.

But I also write weird, idiosyncratic stories with other more personal goals, and I get just as much satisfaction from those stories, too. I write plenty of stories knowing they're not likely to get high scores or views. Anybody who bothers to read my stories in toto can tell I'm not writing just for numbers--but I'm not indifferent to them, either.

I don't think it's a clear case of either/or, as some people seem to think. I think one can stay true to one's own artistic goals and achieve success in a "conventional" sense at Literotica.

It's like Paul McCartney wrote about "Silly Love Songs": "Some people want to fill the world with silly love songs. What's wrong with that, I'd like to know, 'cause here I go, again." I've enjoyed silly incest stories for over 20 years, and I like writing them. I never feel like I'm sacrificing my art, because it's part of my art.

As far as numbers are concerned, I DO think there is an overweening concern with getting high scores. I think it's silly, I think it creates a lot of foolish, unnecessary angst, and I think it influences people to make safe, misguided decisions about what to write and what not to write. Authors foolishly worry about negative reaction rather than focusing on positive reaction. There are all kinds of things that go into high scores that have nothing to do with quality. People pat themselves on the back because chapter 47 of a long-running series has a score of 4.85, and I look at the fact that attrition has winnowed their view numbers down to 1000 from a first chapter that had 20,000, and I think, "Do you not see what's happening?"

One of my goals is very number-oriented. I want to reach as many readers as possible who enjoy my stories. I'd rather have a story with a score of 4.45 and 100,000 views and 500 favorites than a story with a score of 4.85 and 5,000 views and 25 favorites. At the same time, I choose to write certain stories knowing they're probably not going to see 100,000 views in my lifetime.