Perversions, Perversions, Perversions...

[SimonDoom]

The question that I was answering was why anyone would write specifically a popular category if it's not for commercial purposes. I gave my reasoning: it helps to raise my profile among the Lit readership. "It sells", I suppose you might say, although "it helps to sell my other work" might be more accurate.

I too have a long list of things I won't do for money or popularity. I'm a fully rounded human being, after all, and I have principles. But writing a few I/T stories isn't one of those dealbreakers for me. That's not to say "it sells" is justification for absolutely anything, as you put it. Even when it comes to writing here on Lit, there are other categories I won't write, because I find either the subject matter or the readership's attitudes objectionable.

This, too. I've written some incest stories because doing so boosts readers, favorites, and followers. It has dramatically increased the attention to all of my stories, not just incest stories. I think that's perfectly legitimate.

There are many things I wouldn't DO for money, or for any reason, but there are far fewer things I wouldn't WRITE about doing, because I don't think there's anything wrong about writing about things that if done would be wrong. Most literature involves people doing bad things, or, at the least, misguided things.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I reckon a lot of authors write about things they are NOT interested in in real life.

For some time, I’ve pretty much only written about things that interest me IRL. By which I mean that arouse me IRL, not necessarily that I have participated in them IRL (though there is a significant overlap).

A recent exception is Gay Male. Like quite a few women, I tried GM porn. But it did nothing for me. My reasons for writing my recent story were a) could I? and b) I wanted to be able to reflect a wider range of human sexuality, I case I needed to do this in a longer work.

I suppose the other example is tentacle porn. I’d never watched any before the good citizens of AH set me the task. But I found a way to turn it into something that aroused me (drop the non-con, borrow from BDSM and anal depth training, emphasize the relationship angle).

I can’t imagine dryly composing something to garner views from a chosen audience. Don’t get me wrong, that’s a skill I respect. But writing is a hobby and it has to be fun. That means writing about my own kinks primarily.

Emily

 

[gunhilltrain]

And this in reverse, is it explanation enough for absolutely anything to say “it sells?” I might be old fashioned, and prissy, and probably making enough easy money in my day job, but for me the list of things I wouldn’t do for money and/or popularity is long and varied.

There is also pure shock value which, let's face it, helps popularity. When John Waters had Divine do that famous scene in Pink Flamingos - we all know what it was - he knew that it would help his career as a filmmaker. And it worked! He's not just some skinny old man in Baltimore now. He couldn't write that on Lit, however.

What is up with that guy anyway?

https://www.google.com/search?gs_ss...0i512.8533j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

If the link doesn't work, let me know.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I didn't mean to imply that Lit writers are going for shock value with, say, incest which was mentioned in the first post I think.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

But on a more abstract, general level, I get erotic pleasure from the idea of pushing boundaries, stretching limits, and getting downright naughty and subversive. That's where the appeal of something like incest lies. I have no personal experience with it, and no, contrary to what ElectricBlue might think I have never actually lusted over, or fantasized about, my mother, or any relative. But I enjoy the somewhat goofy, over-the-top subversiveness of incest stories. The taboo of incest is an erotic stimulant. The pleasure of the forbidden.

It feels like you are talking about the reader's side of it all, more than the writer's? Maybe it's just my impression.
I understand the reader's side mostly, but it's the writer's side that I find intriguing.
Also, I get the "delving into the forbidden" part of it, although considering the sheer number of incest stories, writing incest hardly feels so taboo anymore.

 

[samhasstories]

I write about things that turn me on. They're fantasies, they do interest me, but I would likely be very uncomfortable if I was in any of the situations I write about in real life. In large part because I could not be assured of everyone's buy-in, like I can with characters I invent.

I've never written incest, but I think I can understand some of the appeal. At least with some varieties. I like to 'borrow' a bit of the taboo from incest without quite going there - a lot of my characters are lifelong family friends or some such, decidedly non-sexual relationships that get pushed over that boundary. If I chose I could swap in a few sentences and change that dynamic to a family one without really changing the stories much. But I'm just not so much into that.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I will never write a mom / son / car journey story as long as I live…

 

[HordHolm]

I will never write a mom / son / car journey story as long as I live…

"Are you nearly there yet, Mom?"

 

[StillStunned]

I will never write a mom / son / car journey story as long as I live…

This must be a particularly American thing. Driving in Europe is mostly being stuck in traffic, or navigating complicated junctions. Even if it's supposed to be a multi-day trip, I'm pretty sure that two people who've been stuck together in a car all day won't be in any mood for romance.

 

[AlinaX]

I will never write a mom / son / car journey story as long as I live…

I did a bro / sis-with-tentacles / car story.

 

[SimonDoom]

It feels like you are talking about the reader's side of it all, more than the writer's? Maybe it's just my impression.
I understand the reader's side mostly, but it's the writer's side that I find intriguing.
Also, I get the "delving into the forbidden" part of it, although considering the sheer number of incest stories, writing incest hardly feels so taboo anymore.

No, I'm talking about from the writer's side. My side, anyway. I like exploring things through my writing. Imagining having kinks I don't really have.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I did a bro / sis-with-tentacles / car story.

I’ve started an I/T story about four orphan sisters in rural America. No power dynamic. About as close to the Sun as I feel like travelling. And that’s only an experiment in “can I write that?”

Emily

 

[SimonDoom]

I've never quite understood the perspective that it only makes sense to write about something if you want to do it or at least fantasize about doing it. People write about murder all the time. They don't want to murder people or fantasize about murdering people (most of them, anyway). Authors write characters that they wouldn't want to be. It's part of the pleasure of creation: imagining doing things you would never choose to do in real life. The erotic imagination is no different.

 

[Abdelkaoolomocro]

The things I write are a bit closevto the truth.

 

[StillStunned]

I've never quite understood the perspective that it only makes sense to write about something if you want to do it or at least fantasize about doing it. People write about murder all the time. They don't want to murder people or fantasize about murdering people (most of them, anyway). Authors write characters that they wouldn't want to be. It's part of the pleasure of creation: imagining doing things you would never choose to do in real life. The erotic imagination is no different.

I'm forever telling my wife that what I write here is imagination, not fantasy.
Well, apart from my fantasy stories.

 

[HordHolm]

I've never quite understood the perspective that it only makes sense to write about something if you want to do it or at least fantasize about doing it. People write about murder all the time. They don't want to murder people or fantasize about murdering people (most of them, anyway). Authors write characters that they wouldn't want to be. It's part of the pleasure of creation: imagining doing things you would never choose to do in real life. The erotic imagination is no different.

It reminds me a little of the heat and fire over actors and representation. Whilst I completely understand the issues that under-represented groups have with majority group (i.e. white, middle-class, able-bodied, heteronormative, etc) actors taking roles away from them, one thing I have a small issue with in the debate is the suggestion that 'mainstream' actors can't fully understand what it's like to be part of one of the under-represented groups. And it makes me wonder, what do people think actors actually do? The good ones, at least, should make the audience see past them and into the role they are playing, which will be, by and large, something they actually are not.

And so with authors - a good author should take a reader into a character, or setting, that the author has never experienced, and yet make it believable. That's rather the point, surely. At the moment I'm writing characters set 120 years ago, and I am aiming to make those characters believable despite not being a) an Edwardian heiress, b) a lady's maid, c) a secret service operative or, d) a super-villain. Yet the story requires all of those characters, and requires a reader not to doubt their 'authenticity.'

 

[AchtungNight]

I’ve started an I/T story about four orphan sisters in rural America. No power dynamic. About as close to the Sun as I feel like travelling. And that’s only an experiment in “can I write that?”

Emily

Intrigued by this idea. Good luck with it.

I’m not into writing for shock value. More for exercising my imagination and challenging it. And there are some things on my “not interested” list like hardcore tentacle or BDSM or parent-child. But I allow people the freedom to go further than me without condemnation on my part.

Hordholm- I’m with you on the actors thing. Hope more people wise up to that truth one day.

 

[Djmac1031]

The closest I've come to having "incestuous" thoughts IRL was when I was a young man and well, one of my girl cousins was really hot.

Nothing ever happened there of course except some imagination. I was young and full of hormones.

Anyway, I wrote my first incest story here just to do something different. And much like porn, I didn't take it too seriously. My Sister's Skincare is about a young woman asking her brother to cum on her face to help cure her acne. They're in Covid lockdown and she can't get it elsewhere.

Absolutely silly premise and intentionally so.

On my second incest series, Caring For Carrie, I took a more serious approach. It was inspired by the usual porn tropes, the ones where an injured family member needs help bathing / caring for themselves etc and step mom / brother / daddy has to help.

But unlike My Sister's Skincare, which glossed over the standard "it's wrong" objections pretty quickly, I wanted to truly delve into the WHY part of it, what would draw a father and daughter together like that.

The answer, of course, wasn't simply mutual attraction, but shared trauma.

And I built on that theme as it progressed. It wasn't simply about the two of them fucking. It was about them working through sorrow and loss together and ultimately moving beyond it.

It's still my highest viewed story and one of my best rated.

I'm not against writing incest. It doesn't give me the squick factor like it does for many. Although I understand why it can be a turn off for people. Totally get it.

Will I write more? Dunno. Maybe? I don't think I could do better than the Carrie series though, at least as far as a true story.

If I explore the genre again it'd probably be more along the lines of porn parody.

 

[SimonDoom]

I did a bro / sis-with-tentacles / car story.

Link, please?

 

[AlinaX]

Link, please?

Siblings in the Back Seat

 

[AchtungNight]

Thinking about it, all the incest I’ve done is for turn-on purposes. Two hot sisters or female cousins in a group encounter, of course there’ll be some fooling around between them. But I hope to get into the characters’ emotions at some point and explore how such an attachment came about.

 

[Zootonius]

I'd sometimes think of it akin to voyeurism. You may not want to be a participant, but watching it, or in this case writing it, is a bit of a thrill.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

It reminds me a little of the heat and fire over actors and representation. Whilst I completely understand the issues that under-represented groups have with majority group (i.e. white, middle-class, able-bodied, heteronormative, etc) actors taking roles away from them, one thing I have a small issue with in the debate is the suggestion that 'mainstream' actors can't fully understand what it's like to be part of one of the under-represented groups. And it makes me wonder, what do people think actors actually do? The good ones, at least, should make the audience see past them and into the role they are playing, which will be, by and large, something they actually are not.

And so with authors - a good author should take a reader into a character, or setting, that the author has never experienced, and yet make it believable. That's rather the point, surely. At the moment I'm writing characters set 120 years ago, and I am aiming to make those characters believable despite not being a) an Edwardian heiress, b) a lady's maid, c) a secret service operative or, d) a super-villain. Yet the story requires all of those characters, and requires a reader not to doubt their 'authenticity.'

How hard can it be to make a secret service operative believable?

I shamefully admit I am not a secret service operative. I don't know shit about it. Anything you say goes. I think James Bond movies are realistic.

 

[VerbalAbuse]

It reminds me a little of the heat and fire over actors and representation. Whilst I completely understand the issues that under-represented groups have with majority group (i.e. white, middle-class, able-bodied, heteronormative, etc) actors taking roles away from them, one thing I have a small issue with in the debate is the suggestion that 'mainstream' actors can't fully understand what it's like to be part of one of the under-represented groups. And it makes me wonder, what do people think actors actually do? The good ones, at least, should make the audience see past them and into the role they are playing, which will be, by and large, something they actually are not.

And so with authors - a good author should take a reader into a character, or setting, that the author has never experienced, and yet make it believable. That's rather the point, surely. At the moment I'm writing characters set 120 years ago, and I am aiming to make those characters believable despite not being a) an Edwardian heiress, b) a lady's maid, c) a secret service operative or, d) a super-villain. Yet the story requires all of those characters, and requires a reader not to doubt their 'authenticity.'

Who takes roles away from whom?

https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/hannibal-denzel-washington-release-date-news

The most ridiculous part is that Denzel is 69 (born December 28, 1954).

Hannibal was not 30 when embarking on his famous campaign.

After taking command of an army at 25 , Hannibal launched an ambitious campaign to cross the Alps and attack Rome itself. After 15 years of campaigning and a strategically brilliant victory at Cannae, Hannibal of Carthage had to retreat to defend his city against a Roman invasion.

 

[Lumiere_Amie]

Personally, if my cock isn't hard while I'm writing then I put the story aside. I may or may not cum back to it depending on whether or not I can figure out why.