Obama Rewards Brutal Cuban Dictators

[about_average]

Have we had a WWIII?

I was being lazy and left out "brought us to the brink of"

Learn how to read with precision. I was referring to the revolution and it's near disastrous ramifications.

Ah, I see. So the same way that the Bolshevik Revolution brought us to the "brink of WWIII".

And I notice you ignore the fact that "the brink of WWIII" was a direct result of a US sponsored, backed and supplied attempted invasion of another country.

 

[Sean]

Did the Chinese keep their treaty promises they made with the British in Hong Kong?

Yes. To the letter.

 

[Beco]

I was being lazy and left out "brought us to the brink of"

Ah, I see. So the same way that the Bolshevik Revolution brought us to the "brink of WWIII".

And I notice you ignore the fact that "the brink of WWIII" was a direct result of a US sponsored, backed and supplied attempted invasion of another country.

It will happen

 

[Sean]

Cubans remind me of stories of soldiers and sailors left behind on islands in WWII that did not have any way of knowing the war is over.

They were trained by the Soviets and no one ever told them the Cold war is over and the US allegedly won.

Come to think of it, no one ever told Putin, either.

You do know Cuba has a thriving tourism industry, right? It's just people from the land of the free that aren't allowed to go there.

 

[Que]

You do know Cuba has a thriving tourism industry, right? It's just people from the land of the free that aren't allowed to go there.

1) that has nothing to do with my characterization of the Cuban military and intelligence structure. Ever since Kennedy left the Cubans hanging on the Bay of Pigs invasion the US has had no plans to intervene militarily. They need no military or intelligence service.

There was a good article posted in the General Board Cuban thread about how journalists are shadowed in Cuba, and conducted around to insure positive press.

2)I "do know" lots of things. Try stating it in the form of a declarative sentence. Then try aiming it towards some sort of cogent point.

3)We are told regularly and in this thread that the only reason that Cuba is not a thriving beacon of Communist success is because the are denied American tourist dollars.

They will, no doubt see an increase in gross domestic revenue when that ban is lifted, but that alone will not change the economic incentives that turned a first world tourist destination into a third world one.

...cute how after you got done "bitchslapping" me in the other thread you went off in search of other opportunities to single me out.

I feel loved, so thanks.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ever since Kennedy left the Cubans hanging on the Bay of Pigs invasion the US has had no plans to intervene militarily.

Oh, I'm sure they have plans. I'm sure the Pentagon has a plan on file to invade Montenegro or Gambia or French Guiana, periodically updated, just in case they might need it someday.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The new trade and travel rules start today.

 

[PoppingTom]

We are told regularly and in this thread that the only reason that Cuba is not a thriving beacon of Communist success is because the are denied American tourist dollars.

They will, no doubt see an increase in gross domestic revenue when that ban is lifted, but that alone will not change the economic incentives that turned a first world tourist destination into a third world one.

Why not?

 

[KingOrfeo]

3)We are told regularly and in this thread that the only reason that Cuba is not a thriving beacon of Communist success is because the are denied American tourist dollars.

I don't recall hearing anyone say that ever. When was it said in this thread?

You could make a case, easily, that Cuba is poorer now than it would be with American tourist dollars, but that's not the same thing.

 

[Beco]

The new trade and travel rules start today.

Yes, yes, yes....! On my way to Cuba this fall, will take photos

 

[mikey2much]

We could learn lessons from Cuba

Vette and his right wing pips are singing their song about how this terrible dictatorship in Cuba should always be worked against.

I do not agree. The Cuban government tries harder to take care of its people then america does it own citizens. For instance healthcare is better for the poor in cuba than it is here in some of the large cities.

As far as the brutal dictatorship goes, Cuba imprisons its people at a very high rate second only to The united states of america. However we have thirty four states which hold more prisoners than the entire country of Cuba. Last year in Florida along we had 342 deaths of prisoners which are considered by many to be at the hands of the guards.

America is so damn afraid of any form of government that does not give all power to the rich. It was not just american tourist dollars that the embargo affected, we used our position to pressure our allies not to trade with Cuba also. After Reagan's efforts in central america and the crisis we caused in Chile most of central and south america began to drift away from our influence.

I tend to agree with the muslim view that America is the great Satan. We start wars all over the world, we mistreat our own citizens, and we support police brutality.

We demand that Iran can't have an atomic bomb because they might use it on Israel. Yet when we first got it we dropped them as quick as we could on Japan, a country that was already mostly defeated. I think that along would take away any moral superiority we might feel entitled to.

Israel could bomb childrens hospitals daily and we would continue to sell them the missiles they needed to get the job done.

How about we take that embargo madness we have held over Cuba and put it where it might do some good, lets embargo Israel until they live up to their treaty and stop building settlements in the occupied areas.

 

[Dumpington]

The politically-progressive left in this nation has always praised & admired Cuba, because the politically-progressive left has always admired Marxist-socialist governments!

Former President Jimmy Carter even has nice things to say about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, widely regarded as a Stalinist hell-hole. He can't help it.

The Hollywood left fawns over Fidel Castro, because when they visit Havana, the regime rolls out the red carpet, just like the D.P.R.K. does for Jimmy Carter (and/or Dennis Rodman!) Liberals don't mind being used as propaganda-tools for tyrannical Marxist governments.

If Cuba and the D.P.R.K. are so great, WHY is NOBODY trying to sneak INTO either of those nations?

Mikey says that Cuban health care is great, yet for the past fifty years tens of thousands of Cuban citizens have risked their lives trying to escape that island and reach Florida. NOBODY tries to escape Florida and reach Cuba!

If the Cuban people were ever offered free elections, the Castro government would collapse. That's why the Castro brothers will NEVER give them free elections!

 

[PoppingTom]

If the Cuban people were ever offered free elections, the Castro government would collapse. That's why the Castro brothers will NEVER give them free elections!

Never say never. Shortly before the Big Change in Germany, goverment declared that the wall will stay for the next 100 years.

 

[Dumpington]

That's very true, Popping Tom.

Sometimes the unexpected happens. Rumanian leader Nicolai Ceausescu comes to mind. He and his wife never intended for their Marxist-socialist dictatorship to collapse as it did, but it happened just the same.

 

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[mikey2much]

nice picture vette

That would be my world if you make a couple of changes.

There should be a guy with a GOP lapel pin using a can of Dow insecticide spraying the butterflies and another GOP'er with a sack of monsanto herbicide sprinkling it on the flowers and then there would have to be a wealthy guy with his GOP'er badge trying to saddle the unicorn.

I mean why should anything exist if it doesn't benefit the wealthy? That is the underlining theme of the republican party.

What is you opinion of the embargo of Israel? Do you agree that the palestinians shouldn't be allowed to petition the international criminal court to address the crimes committed against them using our arms?

 

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[JohnnySavage]

That's very true, Popping Tom.

Sometimes the unexpected happens. Rumanian leader Nicolai Ceausescu comes to mind. He and his wife never intended for their Marxist-socialist dictatorship to collapse as it did, but it happened just the same.

Those damned Rumanians... They are worse than the Cuebans

 

[mikey2much]

the question was should Gaza be allowed to go to ICC?

I think they should be allowed to go to them and present their case against Israel.

Israel is trying to punish them by withholding money that is owed to them.

The crime they are being punished for is wanting a fair judgement from an international court.

 

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[cjh]

This is the thread where we bitch about somewhat normalized relationships with China and Russia.

Right?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

This is the thread where we bitch about somewhat normalized relationships with China and Russia.

Right?

Until Vette comes out of his overgrown moss-covered concrete backyard fallout shelter/masturbation bunker and reminds us that they're the "enemy."

 

[ishtat]

You can say the same about bombing Hiroshima or Dresden or London.

Cuba has nothing to trade for our Miley Cyrus vids but cheap labor. What industries we have left will move to Havanna in twenty minutes, for that 20 cents an hour labor. The best Cuban restaurants only sell black beans and mayo sandwiches. If you want a slice of olive loaf or some rice you gotta go to a tourist hotel. Pussy, sugar, rum, and cigars are all Cuba has to trade.

One other thing James: they have a good well qualified and very cheap healthcare system. Americans would flock there for cheap medical procedures. It'd be kind of ironic if that screwed Obamacare.

 

[Beco]

I think they should be allowed to go to them and present their case against Israel.

Israel is trying to punish them by withholding money that is owed to them.

The crime they are being punished for is wanting a fair judgement from an international court.

I think everyone is wise to the fact that all that would happen if you gave the Pallys their own country is they would "arm up" instead of creating jobs for its people. So we all know how that would play out.