Naivete

[Purrde Flower]

I just really hate it when people start calling you names and attack your character because they can't comprehand that you might have a different opinion than them.

 

[Siren]

 

[sunstruck]

Sorry about your penis Lance.

 

[sunstruck]

I just really hate it when people start calling you names and attack your character because they can't comprehand that you might have a different opinion than them.

No flower. This isn't about his differing opinion. Read up on him. It's about his condecending, disrepectful attitude. It's about the way he treats people on this board, people I repect, myself included.

It has nothing to do with differing opinions.

 

[MissTaken]

Ouch* Sunstruck



Naivite has no age group.

It is a mind set.

Yes, I know some with a very naive outlook who are in their mid forty's and up.

No one in particular is targetted with this statement, but for some, life just hasn't happened yet. They are stretching their wings and attempting to learn. They let their emotions dictate their responses and can be quite naive.

On the other hand, aren't we all a bit naive in one respect or another?

 

[lavender]

 

[Weird Harold]

Like her, I find such posts nonsense and a reflection that the writer is unable to come up with a stronger argument.

While I can't say that any have come from you or Lavender, I have seen some incredibly naive viewpoints expressed on this board and I have no qualms about identifying them as such.

That's NOT being unable to come up with a stronger argument, because I also have no qualms about explaining WHY I think a particular viewpoint is naive.

"being young/a woman/a liberal/whatever and expressing an unpopular (at least on this board) opinion" usually has no bearing on whether I think a person or viewpoint is naive, although "being young/a woman/a liberal/whatever" is probably the source of proportionately more naivete than other groups are.

 

[alexandraaah]

My opinions on animal rights and women's rights have evolved and changed from my teens into my thirties.

 

[lavender]

 

[sunstruck]

My opinions on animal rights and women's rights have evolved and changed from my teens into my thirties.

Of course they have. Does that make the opinions you had the invalid in that time? Should they have been dismissed due to your youth?

Someone will always be older than you.

 

[lavender]

 

[alexandraaah]

Lav, I think he was referring to your words in your first post.

 

[Ishmael]

Ouch* Sunstruck

As for Ishmael's post.........although well put, it still has that tone of condescending attitude of ' we were once like you were' but now we are older and wiser.

No, not condescending. Pedantic is the word you're looking for.

Ishmael

 

[Rubyfruit]

Opinions on animal rights are not shaped by age. ... Why is it so hard to believe that at age 65 I'm going to have the same beliefs about animal rights and women's rights?

With experience, one gains more perspective.

In my early to mid-20s I was an animal rights activist, Lav.

Surprise you?

 

[alexandraaah]

I think if anything mine are becoming more liberal, which many would claim as more naive.

There's a difference between your teens and your late 20s and the rest of your life. You have a lot of knowledge to gain in your teens. You have a lot to gain the rest of your life, but I honestly do not believe (and I didn't say this earlier in life) that my opinions are pretty well formulated.

I'm not doubting that your opinions aren't well-formulated. I'm willing to say that at 16, my own opinions were well-formulated for where I was in life. I'm saying that, for me, opinions are evolutionary.

 

[lavender]

 

[alexandraaah]

Draah,

That wasn't my post, it was diablogrrl's post.

But, thanks for playing.

Lav, what are you talking about and why is there a rude tone?

Am I reading this wrong?

 

[MissTaken]

Also, with time, your environment changes.

The world is a much different place than it was 20 years ago.

20 years ago I was an active member of PETA and anti abortion.

Now, I am pro choice and well, have little respect for PETA.

IT isn't that my opinions changed due to age, but yes, as Ruby said, experience combined with how society has changed.

 

[Texan]

<snip> I can understand where age and experience shape a person's philosophies, if they were grounded only in experience and not knowledge when you were young.

Opinions on foreign policy are not shaped by age. Opinions on animal rights are not shaped by age. Opinions that are not based upon how they apply to your life necessarily, are not based on age.

Why is it so hard to believe that at age 65 I'm going to have the same beliefs about animal rights and women's rights?

With age you get wisdom. But, knowledge has nothing to do with age, unless you have used your time on this planet wisely.

Why assume that you have all the knowledge you are going to have on a subject NOW? I hope we continue to learn.

I think one of the things that causes some older conservatives to see younger liberals as naive is that many were liberals at that age also. And I don't mean they were "un-knowledgable" liberals.

Hell, my religious beliefs have changed in the past 5 years, and those are the most strongly held beliefs I have. Age allows a person to understand that the passionate convictions a young person holds now ARE NOT permanent.

This entire discussion on knowledge and wisdom is overlooking the topic of "intelligence." Probably because noone wants to admit that not everyone is as intelligent as others. I won't analyze the impact of variable levels of intelligence on this subject, but all of us are aware that its impact is big.

 

[lavender]

 

[Ishmael]

Lav, what are you talking about and why is there a rude tone?

Am I reading this wrong?

You owe me a call you know?

 

[Lancecastor]

Sorry about your penis Lance.

Apology accepted, Lorena.

Next time please try and use more lip and less teeth.

You'll learn...you just need a little discipline, that's all.

 

[Saint Peter]

I have apprentices fresh out of high school that think of me as an old man. I have a good friend days away from retirement that thinks of me as wet behind the ears. It is all perspective. I agree with alexandraaah on the views changing on a subject with age. I too have seen this in myself.

How old am I? Can you tell from my posts? Maybe. Maybe not. In this thread we can see inventories being taken by LIT members on other LIT members. Are these inventories accurate? Maybe. Maybe not.

If you label me as naive or not should not change my stance on a view. That same lable may change your stance on my view.

 

[alexandraaah]

women, on this site, who are liberal express their opinion, they are simply naive.

I thought he was referring to this.

My bad.

 

[Weird Harold]

Opinions on foreign policy are not shaped by age. Opinions on animal rights are not shaped by age. Opinions that are not based upon how they apply to your life necessarily, are not based on age.

MY opinions on ALL of these subjects has changed over the years and are definitely affected by my age and life experience.

Why is it so hard to believe that at age 65 I'm going to have the same beliefs about animal rights and women's rights?

Because I've watched almost everyone I know change their beliefs on these subjects (and almost every other subject) as they age. I personally do not know ONE person my age who has the same beliefs they did at your age. They may not completely abandon the core beliefs, but they DO modify them with experience and knowledge gained as they age.

With age you get wisdom. But, knowledge has nothing to do with age, unless you have used your time on this planet wisely.

With age you get experience -- wisdom is NOT related to age, although age does give one time to find wisdom if you are looking for it. Experience doesn't automatically confer knowledge or wisdom either. The only thing aging is guaranteed to give you is AGE, because it is (just barely) possible to age without experiencing anything new.