Michigan, Workers must not have a choice! Vote Union

[Wat_Tyler]

I feel kinda "retro..."

They are also doing tri-five Chebbies. I think you can get a deuce coupe, too.


Truth is, for about $35K, you can buy the entire kit and in a few weeks, have a brand new fitty-five Chebby . . . without having any rust to fix . . . and a lot hotter than what was sold then.


Can you say "gasser"?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They are also doing tri-five Chebbies. I think you can get a deuce coupe, too.


Truth is, for about $35K, you can buy the entire kit and in a few weeks, have a brand new fitty-five Chebby . . . without having any rust to fix . . . and a lot hotter than what was sold then.


Can you say "gasser"?

Might be worth looking into what with EMPs and Solar Flares and sitch...


Might be the last car running on the block.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

From another thread

This sums it up well, IMHO

Michigan’s Modest Labor Reform
The Editors, NRO
December 12, 2012

Michigan has passed a modest labor reform, and the result has been threats and violence from Democratic elected officials and their union henchmen. While this is deplorable, it is not surprising: Organized labor’s business model is mechanically identical to extortion, and it is in the nature of the extortionist’s trade to resort to violence when frustrated.

To hear the Democrats tell the tale, you would think that Governor Rick Snyder and Michigan’s Republican-controlled legislature had abolished unions. In fact, the legislation merely prohibits unions from forcing workers to pay dues to them as a condition of employment, which is why such measures are called “right-to-work laws.” The law imposes no limitation on unions’ ability to organize, to engage in collective bargaining, or to strike. It merely forbids them to take money out of the pockets of workers who do not wish to join them.

In response, Democratic legislator Douglas Geiss declared on the floor of the state house: “There will be blood. There will be repercussions.” And indeed there were: Knife-wielding partisans brought down a tent on representatives from the conservative group Americans for Prosperity — women and children among them — and roughed up bystanders. Fox News contributor Steven Crowder was beaten by the same mob, punched repeatedly in the face.

Michigan is the 24th state to enact a right-to-work law, and the most heavily unionized state to do so. Even though Michigan is the heartland of the United Auto Workers, only 17.5 percent of the state’s workers belong to unions, and most of the state’s union members are government employees. Indeed, so many government-school employees called in sick to protest the right-to-work bill that some school districts had to be shut down. (Not that Michigan’s schools are doing Michiganders much good: The share of Michigan eighth-graders who perform proficiently in math and science is 29.4 and 16.5 percent respectively, suggesting that very few of them will be ready for the high-tech manufacturing jobs that are the pride of the state’s economy.) Michigan was inspired to pursue reforms in no small part by the example of Indiana, which saw its business-recruiting prospects improve after enacting right-to-work reform.

Right-to-work laws do not necessarily hobble unions; rather, they force unions to compete for resources and prove their value to their workers. Some unions provide obvious value: In places in which private-sector unions already are strongly established, right-to-work laws have in fact had little effect on union membership. The critical difference is that workers have a choice. This is a principle that should be codified in law in every state, and at the federal level as well. Someday, an ambitious Republican congressional majority should simply repeal the corrosive National Labor Relations Act and be done with it. But until that time, the right will proceed state by state.

Democrats are panicked by the spread of right-to-work reforms because the mandatory deduction of dues from the paychecks of public-sector employees provides the party’s financial lifeblood. There are not that many UAW members or Teamsters in the country, but there are legions of bureaucrats, school workers, and surly DMV clerks — and, through its relationship with the public-sector unions, the Democratic party has a direct pipeline into the pockets of practically each and every one of them. The shrieking in Michigan isn’t about workingmen’s wages, but campaign coffers. That is why there is blood.

 

[Liar]

A modest proposal.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Might be worth looking into what with EMPs and Solar Flares and sitch...


Might be the last car running on the block.

I did see an article on an electric retro-rod in the last few months. It was smokin' fast but required an awfully long recharge time.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I did see an article on an electric retro-rod in the last few months. It was smokin' fast but required an awfully long recharge time.

They recently had a show here featuring cars such as these...


I saw no big pink bunny though.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

They recently had a show here featuring cars such as these...


I saw no big pink bunny though.

How about some funny big Australian guy?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Not even a bevy of bikini-clad babes...

 

[miles]

See this is the sort of underlying problem I was talking about.

Soundslike there's little to no regulation of unilateral termination clauses in employment contracts.

There are very few companies who engage in contracts with non-union employees.

 

[Saint Peter]

Yeah, I know.


It looks like an easy enough fix to me . . . for someone with the equipment and experience . . . of which I have neither.

Manual machinists are fewer and fewer each day. The CNC operators have a different set of skills and challenges.

You are looking for a grumpy old dude with a 1967 Playboy Calendar hanging next to his wood tool box.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

On the floor of the Michigan legislature on Tuesday, Democratic state representative Douglas Geiss thundered: “We’re going to pass something that will undo 100 years of labor relations, and there will be blood. There will be repercussions!” Geiss referred to the Battle of the Overpass, a violent incident in 1937 between the United Auto Workers and corporate-security officers for the Ford Motor Company. Dozens of union activists were beaten.

But Geiss wasn’t crying victim. This was clearly a signal to the brass-knuckled Big Labor bosses, whom Obama egged on during his visit to the state on Monday. Obama inveighed against right-to-work rules with his usual class-warfare dog whistle. The thugs heard it loud and clear.

While the Michigan House voted to approve right-to-work legislation that allows workers to choose whether or not to join and fund unions as a condition of employment, protesters outside the state capitol ambushed a tented information booth sponsored by the state chapter of Americans for Prosperity, which supports right-to-work laws. Video footage shows angry union mobsters cursing and screaming immediately before the attack.

One union protester hurled an unidentified object at police officers. Another screamed at a citizen journalist filming the chaos: “Freedom of speech this, you effin fascist a**hole!” Several peaceful AFP members and supporters were stomped on and punched while trapped under the tent as the labor operatives chanted: “This is what democracy looks like.” While trying to protect the tent and those inside, young Michigan conservative activist and YouTube entrepreneur Steven Crowder was beaten by at least two union assailants.

Of course, this is just more of the same twisted “civil and honest public discourse” of the administration’s union protection squad:

May 2010: The Service Employees International Union buses in 700 workers from 20 states to storm the Chevy Chase, Md., neighborhood and front yard of Bank of America deputy general counsel Gregory Baer. The protesters terrorize Baer’s youngest son, who is at home alone. The tactic is straight from an SEIU manual on using community groups to “damage an employer’s public image and ties with community leaders and organizations.”

September 2010: AFL-CIO chief Richard Trumka praises Nancy Pelosi for taking Obamacare and driving “it down the Republicans’ throats and out their backsides.”

February 2011: A Communications Workers of America union thug is caught on tape striking a young female FreedomWorks activist in Washington, D.C.

February 2011: A Providence, R.I., union supporter says to a cameraman: “I’ll f*** you in the a**, you faggot.”

February 2011: Democratic representative Michael Capuano of Massachusetts revs up Big Labor goons by urging them to “get a little bloody.”

March 2011: Racist SEIU supporters in Denver, Colo., taunt gay black tea-party activist and entrepreneur Leland Robinson, who criticized teachers’ unions at a Capitol rally, by calling him “Son,” telling him to “get behind that fence where you belong,” and jeering, “Do you have any children? That you claim?”

March 2011: In Madison, Wis., an unhinged crowd of AFSCME, UFCW, and SEIU union protesters corner a Wisconsin republican senator and shout, “F*** you!” and “Shame!”

August 2011: In Boston, local IBEW 827 storms the neighborhood of Verizon senior vice president Bill Foshay. Union members scream “We’re here to fight” in front of his private residence on a weekend afternoon.

August 2011: Striking Communications Workers of America declare “open season” on Verizon. Dozens of cases of sabotaged cable lines are reported.

September 2011: ILWU bosses lead a “Days of Rage” protest at Port of Longview, Wash., taking a half-dozen guards hostage, sabotaging railroad cars, dumping grain, smashing windows, cutting brake lines, threatening a local TV station, and blocking trains in violation of a judicial restraining order.

September 2011: Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa screams: “President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of bitches out.”

December 2011: Union-endorsed port protests in Oakland, Calif.; Seattle; Los Angeles; San Diego; and Houston cause massive commerce disruptions, lost wages, property destruction, and untold injuries. A year later, ports are shut down on the West Coast during the busy holiday season, and another set of union port strikes — spearheaded by the violence-prone ILWU and ILA — threaten the East and Gulf coasts at the end of the month.

Michelle Malkin, NRO

 

[Liar]

There are very few companies who engage in contracts with non-union employees.

There's your problem then.

In many places with sensible regulation, employing people without proper contract is illegal.

 

[mercury14]

I had to take you off iggy because I knew you'd say something stupid. Unless the employer violated conditions of employment (highly unlikely) or violated employment law and terminated someone because of their race, gender, age, etc., they can fire people "willy-nilly" all they want. Unless it is specifically spelled out in a Union contract there is no such thing as wrongful termination in most states. It's a myth, like the "labor board."

Now stick with something you know how to do, like pretending to be a doctor.

Did you read my post? Because there's no sense in taking me off iggy if you're just going to flop reading comprehension.

I said that companies leave themselves open to lawsuits which is true - bogus or otherwise. It doesn't mean the fired employee has a case but if HR isn't documenting reasons for the termination then the plaintiff has a good chance of getting to voice their complaint in court.

Maybe the former employee was a native American and wants to file a discrimination suit. Well if the company doesn't have any documentation that the guy was late for work every day or performed badly, the guy can swear to the judge that he was always on time and that his boss never mentioned any problems to him. That puts the company in a very bad spot.

 

[mercury14]

There are very few companies who engage in contracts with non-union employees.

What?

There's your problem then.

In many places with sensible regulation, employing people without proper contract is illegal.

Miles doesn't know what he's talking about and should be ignored. Hell, I have two job contracts and I'm not in a union. Though I am in a guild or something....

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Manual machinists are fewer and fewer each day. The CNC operators have a different set of skills and challenges.

You are looking for a grumpy old dude with a 1967 Playboy Calendar hanging next to his wood tool box.

I know a woman who was the Makita Calendar Tool Girl a long time ago - willowy blonde wench she is, still.


I got a reference from a middle-aged car repair shop/hotrodder, so i think I'll be okay.

 

[miles]

There's your problem then.

In many places with sensible regulation, employing people without proper contract is illegal.

I never said it was a problem at all. It's a much more common and bigger problem when incompetent union employees are protected from being terminated.

 

[Liar]

I never said it was a problem at all.

That doesn't mean it's not.

 

[jeninflorida]

oh the horrors....giving people a choice. this is just so flipping wrong!

everyone is pro union till you hire or hire 50 union workers. then you see what a flipping problem the union is.

2ndly our education system is massivly fucked. example, a lot of principals would bump up older and unfit teachers salaries so that they would retire early. this was the only way ignorant principals could fire unfit teachers. while it sounds okay, and it might be... till we have times like today. aka all these milk babies sucking off the pension tit.

just look at the massive problems in CA and IL (NY, NJ) we need pension reform

 

[jeninflorida]

At almost any company you would need proof of wrongdoing before you fire someone.

this person is a fine example of an unfit teacher that was bumped into "administration" because they were unable to fire him thanks to the union.

but hey, its not "their" money so its okay

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Brilliance on display:

The situation in the employer-employee nexus will be analogous. The popular doctrine contends that wage earners are reaping "social gains" at the expense of the unearned income of the exploiting classes. The strikers, it is said, do not strike against the consumers but against "management." There is no reason to raise the prices of products when labor costs are increased; the difference must be borne by employers. But when more and more of the share of the entrepreneurs and capitalists is absorbed by taxes, higher wage rates, and other "social gains" of employees, and by price ceilings, nothing remains for such a buffer function. Then it becomes evident that every wage raise, with its whole momentum, must affect the prices of the products and that the social gains of each group fully correspond to the social losses of the other groups. Every strike becomes, even in the short run and not only in the long run, a strike against the rest of the people.

http://mises.org/daily/6313/The-Santa-Claus-Principle

 

[mercury14]

this person is a fine example of an unfit teacher that was bumped into "administration" because they were unable to fire him thanks to the union.

but hey, its not "their" money so its okay

Tell me how you think teachers can be fairly evaluated.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fox News Steven Crowder & Americans for Prosperity use Breitbart-style film editing to show “union thug brutality”

Take a look at the "before" and "after" videos.

Breitbart Lives!

 

[unregistered]

 

[jeninflorida]

Tell me how you think teachers can be fairly evaluated.

lets jump over to one of my favorite topics. Imagine, if Microsoft, Oracle, Facebook, Apple, Paypal, Twitter, and ... were union "shop" companies.

programmers for example (For the companies listed above during the 90's) would work 60-100 hours a week. Microsoft was infamous for workers living in their office during the week.

now if the union came in to Microsoft during the 90's would "they" have allowed that?

 

[mercury14]

lets jump over to one of my favorite topics. Imagine, if Microsoft, Oracle, Facebook, Apple, Paypal, Twitter, and ... were union "shop" companies.

programmers for example (For the companies listed above during the 90's) would work 60-100 hours a week. Microsoft was infamous for workers living in their office during the week.

now if the union came in to Microsoft during the 90's would "they" have allowed that?

They also made a lot of those people filthy rich. I imagine that those employees probably thought they'd lose out if they unionized.