Mainstream Book Advocating Adult-Child Sex Draws Howls of Protest

Cheyenne

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Is this a book by a woman trying to justify her own history? I have to admit, the first person I thought of when I read this article was Lit's own "Rolly" and her sex with uncles background. I think she could have written this book!

On the other hand, from the article, it sounds like the book also addresses sex education for teens younger than 18. I think that is a GOOD idea!

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,49382,00.html

A book arguing that sex between a child and an adult can be a good thing is bringing an extraordinary amount of attention - little of it positive - upon the author and publisher a month before it has even been published.

The fact that the author, Judith Levine, was quoted in an interview last month - in the middle of the Roman Catholic Church sex-abuse scandal - as saying that a sexual relationship between a priest and a youth "conceivably" could be positive didn't help matters.

In her book, Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex, Levine argues that public misunderstanding denies the sexuality of people under 18, depriving kids of realistic advice about sex even while the mass media bombards them with sexual images.

Critics have not minced words. Robert Knight, director of Concerned Women for America's Culture and Family Institute, called it evil.

"The action is so grievous and so irresponsible that I felt they
relinquished their right to academic freedom," Knight said.

The University of Minnesota Press agreed to publish the book last year after several publishers rejected it, Levine said. One even called it "radioactive."

When word of its pending publication made its way onto several conservative Web sites, the reaction was even more than that, said Douglas Armato, director of the University of Minnesota Press.

"We've never seen anything quite this angry," Armato said. "The book isn't actually out yet. What people are reacting to is not the book itself, but the idea of the book."

In the book, Levine argues that abstinence-only sex education is misguided. She also suggests the threat of pedophilia and molestation by strangers is exaggerated by adults who want to deny young people the opportunity for positive sexual experiences.

"Squeamish or ignorant about the facts, parents appear willing to accept the pundits' worst conjectures about their children's sexual motives," Levine writes. "It's as if they cannot imagine that their kids seek sex for the same reasons they do."

She said the gutting of comprehensive sex education programs has left sexually active teenagers uninformed about safe sex and ignorant about contraception.

"Operating in an atmosphere of complete ignorance, it's very easy to exaggerate threats and foment fear," she said. "America's drive to protect kids from sex protects them from nothing. Instead, it is often harming them."

Levine believes much of the furor stems from an interview she gave last month to Newhouse News Service. Newhouse quoted her as saying a sexual relationship between a priest and a youth "conceivably" could be positive.

Levine said this week that she disapproves of any sexual relationship between a youth and an authority figure, whether a parent, teacher or priest. But she believes teenagers deserve more respect for the choices they make in consensual affairs, and suggests that America's age-of-consent laws can sometimes lead to excessive punishment.

She cites the Dutch age-of-consent law as a "good model" - it permits sex between an adult and a young person between 12 and 16 if the young person consents. Prosecutions for coercive sex may be sought by the young person or the youth's parents.

"Teens often seek out sex with older people, and they do so for
understandable reasons: an older person makes them feel sexy and grown-up, protected and special," writes Levine, who had an affair with an adult when she was a minor.

Several conservative media commentators and activists have accused Levine of condoning child abuse. Knight is urging the University of Minnesota to fire the university press officials who decided to publish the book.

Armato said he has informed university officials about the irate reaction to the book and explained to them how the decision to publish was made. He stressed that the book was accepted not out of hopes for a profit but because the University of Minnesota Press thought its arguments were worth public debate.

Officials at the Minnesota press knew the book would be controversial, so they had the manuscript reviewed by five academic experts, instead of the usual two, to be sure its contentions were based on sound research.

"What we've encouraged them to do is let the book speak for itself," Armato said. "The book is very nuanced and very complex."

Levine, a journalist and author who writes often about sex and gender, has no children of her own. She writes in her introduction that some publishers felt her book was insufficiently "parent-friendly."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
The University of Minnesota Press

Hmmmm, I think they also print a "Priests Guide to breaking in Alter Boys"

:eek:
 
I think the problem that I have with this woman's views is that she is not a parent. I have to wonder if she would feel differently if it were her son or daughter. I know that my son was not ready for a sexual relationship with anyone as a young teen. We talked about everything & when his friends started to get involved in sexual relationships, he told them he wasn't ready. He had other plans for his life & told his friends that school and work had to come first. He wanted to be able to take care of himself before taking on the responsibility of a girlfriend, wife, etc. At 12 or 13, I know I would not have been ready for a sexual relationship & I don't think most young teens are ready to make these kinds of decisions. JMO, for what it is worth.
 
But what about the 15- 17 year olds? Shouldn't they have some kind of access to info about sex? We don't just turn into sexual creatures the day we turn 18, no matter how much parents may wish that to be true.
 
Cheyenne said:
But what about the 15- 17 year olds? Shouldn't they have some kind of access to info about sex? We don't just turn into sexual creatures the day we turn 18, no matter how much parents may wish that to be true.

Hold on a second, I'll check with my 11 year old.


;)
 
So true, Cheyenne, it's not as though one day some switch gets flipped. I think the U of M Press knew full well that it had debate-fodder of a potent nature and acted bravely. I do not agree with everything written in the Bible, but I don't call for them to burn it.

But then, I've also been called to task for quoting from such sources as Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by people of limited vision, so while I tend to shrug off the formless quasi-debates which take place via the internet I can't say I seek only the non-controversial. This book sounds like it has a huge potential for one- and two-sentence excerpts to be taken out of context, fanning hysterical reactions among those who won't ever take the time to digest the whole (let alone approach it with an open mind.)
 
I think most 15-17 year olds do have access to information about sex. My son was 17 & he and most of his friends were very knowledgeable about sex & the responsibilities that being sexually active involves. Being around young people as much as I am gives me a bit of experience with this. I think that teaching abstinence can be a good thing. Kids need to be aware of all facets of sex education & abstinence is a part of that. From my experience dealing with my son and his friends, the majority of them were not ready for an adult sexual relationship. There is plenty of information available for young people, some of it good and some of it not so good. I don't know about the young people in your life, Cheyenne, but I would hope that they have access to good information & that they have parents who are easy to talk to. Would you honestly want one of your nieces or nephews at age 15 to be involved with a man or woman in their 20's or 30's? I have a 16 year old niece who looks older than she really is. In many ways,however, she is still very young & not ready for a sexual relationship with anyone. She is more comfortable talking to me than to her mom & I have given her information about everything, probably more than she wanted. I love her dearly & I want her to be able to make wise decisions.
 
Chey, this is a very interesting article.

I laughed at your "rolly" reference.. :)

Seeing as how I'm not that familiar with the content of the book itself, or how much of the content extends to adult and child (especially priest v. child) sexual contact, I can't comment on the fact that certain people feel this is an undesireable book.

If her intention is to get more parents to discuss sexuality with their children, I can see the use of this piece of literature being available, however, I don't think that's her only intention.
 
When i was 13 my mother gave me a 4 book set on sex it talk about the eelings i was having and masterbation was ok it talked about the changes that were ahead.

My mother wanted me to knoweverything then what most parents do not tell. about birth control std's and so on.

Becaus it had pics. my friends came over and read them so she taught all my friend also.

But an adult and someone who is to young is wrong.
 
I think that in some ways she is trying to justify her actions, but I also think that she is interested in making money, as are the publishers. A book that is causing controversy before it is released is a sure fire money maker for someone & before anyone flames me, I have no problem with making money. I have no love for the conservative groups in the US, by most of their standards, I am an evil woman. A single mom by choice, twice divorced & pro-choice. When the book is out, I will most likely read it & I hope that it does get more people talking to their children. In a lot of ways, though, I think that this is one more case of people who don't have children knowing what is best for those who do. Good topic, Cheyenne.
 
Thank you, Vixen, once in a great while, I do try to make a little bit of sense.


How have you been? I hope everything is going well for you. I am home from work today with the crud, so getting to do some surfing & talking to people I haven't "seen" in a long time. Have good rest of the day!!
 
A lot of kids are having sex at a younger age than when we were children and teenagers. Does she talk about any research that she's conducted?
 
Im a survivor of adult/child sex that was forced on me at the age of 10 or so. I have strong personal feelings on this issue:( With my own children I have been very open and honest about sexual issues. Including telling them of my experiences as a young boy.Young children would be easy prey for a mature adult, the playing field is not equal. So what should the age of consent be for sex between consenting people? Would anyone here want their 16 or 17 year old daughter having sex with a 30 or 35 year old man? Or your 15 year old son having sex with a 30 or 35 year old women?Experimentation between kids is normal,sex between emotionally mature adults and children is not:(
 
great topic

our culture is so anti-sex (except for commercial use)
that our standards totally reject the sexuality of
teenagers, people who in most enlightened cultures
are treated as the adults that they are.

it's true that not every teenager is ready for a
sexual relationship, and that is fine, but we should
recognize that many are.

i AM a parent (of six). my oldest daughter started
exploring her sexuality (sex with a boyfriend) when
she was fourteen. she did so responsibly, and was
able to share her feelings and questions with her
parents because she knew we were on her side.
the next oldest started at sixteen, and likewise was
comfortable coming to her parents for the kind of help
that most teenagers only wish they had at such times.

my son is seventen and a half and has not yet had
much sexual experience, but it's because that's what's
right for him.

cultures that truly care about their children (rather than
using it as a political slogan) encourage appropriate
sexual rapport between the elders and the emerging adults.

all we do is try to sell things with it.
 
bored1 said:
Im a survivor of adult/child sex that was forced on me at the age of 10 or so. I have strong personal feelings on this issue:( With my own children I have been very open and honest about sexual issues. Including telling them of my experiences as a young boy.Young children would be easy prey for a mature adult, the playing field is not equal. So what should the age of consent be for sex between consenting people? Would anyone here want their 16 or 17 year old daughter having sex with a 30 or 35 year old man? Or your 15 year old son having sex with a 30 or 35 year old women?Experimentation between kids is normal,sex between emotionally mature adults and children is not:(

Bored 1 good points.

A lot of education about sex should rightly come from kids' parents. A responsible parent reinforces sex eduacation and makes their children aware of the perils of sex at too young an age etc.

It is dangerous to have an age of consent of 12-16 as per Holland as it would seem that it is completely open to abuse. At the same time it's grossly unfair that say an 18 year old guy can be prosecuted for having sex with a 15 year old girl when in all likelihood she either appeared to be or, indeed, had actively passed herself off as significantly older than she was.

This whole subject is a real minefield and the real problem is how do you protect the immature from inappropriate sexual contact with an adult. Immature doesn't have to mean a child BTW.
 
Until the book is published, and I have read it, I am with holding making any snap judgements.

I would like to read it entirely before taking things media has snipped and blurbed for publicity.

I learned my lesson with movies. They will take the best scenes and use them for the preview. And once you have seen those, in some cases.... the rest of the movie sucks.

I don't think it is going out on a limb by saying :

In my opinion, no responsible adult should be having sexual relations with any child under the age of 18.

My son is 16. I know he is having sex. ( he is not living with me right now, so there is little I can do other than express my concern and disapproval ) He and a girl the exact same age were caught by the girls mother. The mother had pressed charges on my son for sexual assault. The daughter has told the judge the truth, but the mother is still pushing it, saying there is no way her daughter is a whore and had to have been forced.

The final charge is some asinine thing of : Having sexual relations while under the age of consent.

Ok, this is true. Both kids were 15 when it happened. Now .... did they charge the girl with this ?????? Noooooo ....this is what my son ended up being convicted of. Talk about a double standard.

I have had many talks with my son about sex. Very open conversations. I explained to him the down sides of having sex when you are too young.
Luckily .... this charge and conviction will be sealed when he reaches 18.

It is a horrible situation and not one I would wish on anyone. But .... even while the case was going on .... this young girl was writing love notes to my son at school and passing them to him. In some, she even apologises for her mother making a " big deal " out of finding them together.

Go figure.
 
Open dialogue between parents and children have to start long before the child even starts to have any ideas or questions about sex. There are so many "touchy" issues that have to be discussed with our children, not just sex. I believe that if you start a dialogue with your children about all these sort of subjects you can teach them when they are ready to learn. Kids ask questions, so give them straight answers. You don't have to volunteer more information than they need, just talk to them and tell them what they want to know. As adults and parents, it is our job to equip our children with the knowledge that will help them to growup to be well-rounded adults, and maybe help them avoid making some of the mistakes we made growing up.

My Mother practiced this in our home. I can say that I avoided making alot of mistakes because of her and her willingness to give me information. I was on the pill by 14 and have never had unprotected sex with anyone, apart from my husband.
I, personally, think that most parents are afraid to let their children see them as human beings. Like their children won't respect them if they know their parents are flawed and vulnerable. Well, that is ridiculous, because we all knew our parents were flawed anyway, right? Having a little humility might help that situation.

Just my two cents.:heart:
 
Silverveil, Could you not argue that your son was also a victim of sexual assult? My point being, both kids are the same age. Doesnt seem right that your son takes all the heat on this one:confused:
 
teresafannin said:
In a lot of ways, though, I think that this is one more case of people who don't have children knowing what is best for those who do.

I'm not sure what having children has to do with understanding parenting or children.

Each and every on of us has extensive experience with parenting -- from the receiving end. It colors our perceptions of what constitutes "good parenting" and "bad parenting" but I don't think that experiencing parenting from the other side makes a lot of difference in how those perceptions are colored.

The furor over this book before it's even published is, IMHO, another case of fear on the part of narrow-minded people who are scare of facing facts -- much like the minister who said at a burning of Harry Potter books, "I don't need to read them to know that they're evil." (not an exact quote, BTW.)
 
I will have to look about in the morning when I am sober, but on the way to class tonight I heard a story about either a UM or a UMKC professor who is on the hot seat (in fact the general assembly in MO wants him fired and cut 100K in funding to the university to voice thier displeasure) for advocating much the same thing.

Anyone else from this neck o' the woods hear that?
 
sex with adult

In Japan young girls are opting to loose their virginity to older men . In return they learn to please their partner ,recieve gifts , money , and some travel. I don't know if this is the answer or not . I do believe being more open about sex and nudity is a step in the right direction .
 
First of all everyone has a certain amount of sexual nature to them, even the very young. When I say that remember I would mean that in the same sense that all plants bear fruit. Don't assume you can just go snack on everything in the woods. But it is still there and needs to be addressed.

Secondly, why is a 15 year old with a 30 year old so goddamn bad? Because it's "icky"? Because it's "just plain wrong"? Why? Would you think the same thing about a 30 year old with a 50 year old? I lost my virginity to someone 20 years my senior when I was 17. I'm fine and dandy.

I see a lot of posts saying "they are not ready yet...". Who made that decision? Have they said whether or not they feel ready yet?
 
In our family, my son made the decision that he was not ready yet. He had a lot of plans & goals for his life. My remarks are based on my experience with my son, his friends and my nieces. My mother was quite open with us & I did the same with my son. I believe that young people should have all the facts, unfortunately too many parents are uncomfortable with talking about sex. I have yet to meet a 15 year old who is mature enough to be involved in a sexual relationship with a 30 year old, whether a male or female. Kids today are not nearly as sophisticated as they would like us to think they are.
 
Myst said:
A lot of kids are having sex at a younger age than when we were children and teenagers. Does she talk about any research that she's conducted?

All I see in the article is this paragraph:

"Officials at the Minnesota press knew the book would be controversial, so they had the manuscript reviewed by five academic experts, instead of the usual two, to be sure its contentions were based on sound research."

It isn't really very clear whether she did the research herself or just based her ideas on research done by others.
 
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