Incest twists?

[Shendude]

And as far as incest taboos go, I think it's ok (biologically) to bang a stepmother or step-"anything". Maybe even first cousins are ok, although I still hold one foot back on that idea ...

Actually, it takes several generations of continual inbreeding amongst first blood before incest starts being harmful biologically.

Anyways, I've thought of a couple of incest scenarios, but none of them occurs in the modern day:

-As you may or may not know, Ancient Rome allowed for a suprising amount of social mobility for freed slaves. It is also a well known fact that freed slaves make the harshest masters. So, we have a freed slave who's managed to achieve great wealth and comparitive status. He acquires a highly attractive slave-girl for the obvious use, and after using her for such, too his shock, discovers that they share a highly distinctive birthmark. In short, they're related. Further investigation reveals that she is in fact, his daughter (he'd obviously be a fairly mature fellow, it taking quite a bit of time to climb up the social ladder, and the girl would be rather young, only 18).

-The society of Ancient Sparta was built on the backs of their Helot slaves. Almost every aspect of Spartan society was designed to ensure the Helots were kept down. Obviously, sex between Spartans and Helots were NOT well thought of, but of course they happened. So, what happens is this: a Spartan woman has an affair with a Helot, and bears his child. The kid kinda looks like her and is born in a time when he could be passed off as belonging to her husband. If the truth was revealed, she and her lover would be executed, and quite possibly the kid too. At the very least he'd become a Helot himself. Flash forward a few years. The deception's been working pretty well, not even the kid knowing his true parentage. The kid's in his late teens, and like most boys that age participates in the Krypteia (a Spartan ritual in which young men covertly terrorize the Helots, particularly those who stand out in some way). In the intervening years, his biological father has sired a Helot daughter, one of spectacular beauty. Obviously, this can't go unpunished, and so the kid and his comrades gang-rape and then mutilate the girl.

-In one of those countries (perhaps Eygpt?) were incestual politcal marriages are fairly normal, power is seized by a new clan. By tradition, in order to strengthen the bloodline (and hold the throne), the new king must take a wife from among his first blood as his queen. This naturally causes some trouble for the new monarch, as in his previous relatively lowly status such a thing was abominate.

-In a Chaldean city-state, a coup occurs, the King murdered. Of his two children, one, a daughter, is safely a member of the priesthood. The other goes into exile in the court of another king. Years pass, and the former exile manages to retake the city. Meanwhile, his sister has risen to the role of high priestess. Unfortunately, one of the duties of the high priestess is to publically couple with the king at harvest time, and vice versa.


What do you think? Good? Too elaborate? Stupid?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Actually, it takes several generations of continual inbreeding amongst first blood before incest starts being harmful biologically.

Anyways, I've thought of a couple of incest scenarios, but none of them occurs in the modern day:

-As you may or may not know, Ancient Rome allowed for a suprising amount of social mobility for freed slaves. It is also a well known fact that freed slaves make the harshest masters. So, we have a freed slave who's managed to achieve great wealth and comparitive status. He acquires a highly attractive slave-girl for the obvious use, and after using her for such, too his shock, discovers that they share a highly distinctive birthmark. In short, they're related. Further investigation reveals that she is in fact, his daughter (he'd obviously be a fairly mature fellow, it taking quite a bit of time to climb up the social ladder, and the girl would be rather young, only 18).

-The society of Ancient Sparta was built on the backs of their Helot slaves. Almost every aspect of Spartan society was designed to ensure the Helots were kept down. Obviously, sex between Spartans and Helots were NOT well thought of, but of course they happened. So, what happens is this: a Spartan woman has an affair with a Helot, and bears his child. The kid kinda looks like her and is born in a time when he could be passed off as belonging to her husband. If the truth was revealed, she and her lover would be executed, and quite possibly the kid too. At the very least he'd become a Helot himself. Flash forward a few years. The deception's been working pretty well, not even the kid knowing his true parentage. The kid's in his late teens, and like most boys that age participates in the Krypteia (a Spartan ritual in which young men covertly terrorize the Helots, particularly those who stand out in some way). In the intervening years, his biological father has sired a Helot daughter, one of spectacular beauty. Obviously, this can't go unpunished, and so the kid and his comrades gang-rape and then mutilate the girl.

-In one of those countries (perhaps Eygpt?) were incestual politcal marriages are fairly normal, power is seized by a new clan. By tradition, in order to strengthen the bloodline (and hold the throne), the new king must take a wife from among his first blood as his queen. This naturally causes some trouble for the new monarch, as in his previous relatively lowly status such a thing was abominate.

-In a Chaldean city-state, a coup occurs, the King murdered. Of his two children, one, a daughter, is safely a member of the priesthood. The other goes into exile in the court of another king. Years pass, and the former exile manages to retake the city. Meanwhile, his sister has risen to the role of high priestess. Unfortunately, one of the duties of the high priestess is to publically couple with the king at harvest time, and vice versa.


What do you think? Good? Too elaborate? Stupid?

Fascinating, particularly the last one. Admittedly, the Spartans were cool with extramarital affairs by both sexes, but Helots were presumably off-limits.

Here's another twist: the Messenians were Helots who rebelled (successfully) against Sparta. Suppose one of them seduced a Spartan woman (after killing her betrothed), by pretending to be her betrothed for a while. Then he let her go, after the typically rough wedding night (Spartan marriages were consummated in a style that was similar to rape). Years later, during Sparta's ultimately doomed war with Thebes, the Messenian warrior does the same thing to another Spartan woman, who just happens to be his daughter.

 

[Shendude]

Fascinating, particularly the last one. Admittedly, the Spartans were cool with extramarital affairs by both sexes, but Helots were presumably off-limits.

Here's another twist: the Messenians were Helots who rebelled (successfully) against Sparta. Suppose one of them seduced a Spartan woman (after killing her betrothed), by pretending to be her betrothed for a while. Then he let her go, after the typically rough wedding night (Spartan marriages were consummated in a style that was similar to rape). Years later, during Sparta's ultimately doomed war with Thebes, the Messenian warrior does the same thing to another Spartan woman, who just happens to be his daughter.

That sounds very good.


Only one thing: I thought the Messinians became independent DURING the Spartan/Theban War? Ah, well, who cares?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

That sounds very good.


Only one thing: I thought the Messinians became independent DURING the Spartan/Theban War? Ah, well, who cares?[/QUOTEt

It was during one of the Pelopennesian Wars...not sure which...have to research it.

 

[Shendude]

It was during one of the Pelopennesian Wars...not sure which...have to research it.

While I believe they revolted during one of the Pelopennesian Wars, they didn't SUCEED until they got help from the Thebans.

 

[JRaven]

All right, you two...

I came here for sex, not a history debate!


Actually, interesting stuff. I'm a History Channel junkie myself.

Two is interesting except for the gang-rape and mutilation. Thankfully, it won't get accepted by Lit. One the other hand, you could have the bastard son and his friends terrorizing the pretty Helot's younger brother. (and the son's half-brother) She offers them sex in exchange for them leaving her brother alone.

A gang-bang is better than a gang-rape.

Jenny

 

[Shendude]

I came here for sex, not a history debate!


Actually, interesting stuff. I'm a History Channel junkie myself.

Two is interesting except for the gang-rape and mutilation. Thankfully, it won't get accepted by Lit. One the other hand, you could have the bastard son and his friends terrorizing the pretty Helot's younger brother. (and the son's half-brother) She offers them sex in exchange for them leaving her brother alone.

A gang-bang is better than a gang-rape.

Jenny

Hrrm. Might work, although I think it lacks the same emotional punch.

Mind, that isn't neccesarily a bad thing. I was originally going to have our secret bastard know what he was, which would've added a whole 'nother level of conflict there, but I thought that was overkill. I'm also beginning to think the mutilation would be overkill also.

Incidentally, anyone have comments on my other ideas?

 

[MagicFingers]

How about

A brother and sister who are suddenly attracted to each other because of an accident? A lightning strike.

Try "Summer Of Discovery" if this sounds good to you.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

A brother and sister who are suddenly attracted to each other because of an accident? A lightning strike.

Try "Summer Of Discovery" if this sounds good to you.

Is that just "Summer of Discovery" or "Twin's Summer of Discovery", because my slave wrote a twin incest story by the latter title?

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Is that just "Summer of Discovery" or "Twin's Summer of Discovery", because my slave wrote a twin incest story by the latter title?

What's her screen name?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

What's her screen name?

Amasterfound. She's wonderful (both as a lover, slave, and writer).

 

[Maid of Marvels]

Not a story, but an old roleplay thread that I wrote with Tibvo... The Aftermath.

In the wake of a plague that nearly decimated the earth's population and left the adult males who survived sterile, it comes down to an effort to repopulate or face extinction. That leaves - at least for this thread - a mother/son son story as well as sister/brother.

Far fetched? Perhaps. It was still fun to write, though remains unfinished.

Another, which did reach a conclusion, was called The Ultimate Sacrifice where a mother and father decide, in order to "protect" their son from catching a dread disease, to have the mother serve as the son's sexual partner.

Perhaps these ideas can be used by others or (considering) whether they might be edited into proper story format. If anyone decides to take a look, I'd be pleased to hear your opinons.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Amasterfound. She's wonderful (both as a lover, slave, and writer).

Cool. I'll check out her story. Cute name. Shouldn't "both" be for two items discussed, not three?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Cool. I'll check out her story. Cute name. Shouldn't "both" be for two items discussed, not three?

I guess. Thanks.

 

[sirhugs]

I heard a piece on the radio about how the Dance " The Twist" changed music, because you no longer needed a partner to dance with.

How about a twist contest where bro and sis end up as the two finalists and have to dance off against each other. Suddenly, right on national live tv, she starts stripping to try to distract him. By the time they shut off the cameras and disqualify her, he has a raging hardon. dressing room fun follows....

 

[MagicFingers]

"Summer Of Discovery"

Is that just "Summer of Discovery" or "Twin's Summer of Discovery", because my slave wrote a twin incest story by the latter title?

And, nope, I'm sure it is not like any other story ever written about incest, as it came from my own mind and months of working out the plot and details.

 

[GloriaStar]

Since we're all offering ideas, and because the fantasy of incest turns me on to no end, I offer up some of the stories I was involved in over my time here at lit. I think some offered interesting twists. Sadly none were ever finished, but I'd be happy to hear any comments on them.

-I was involved in a thread that went under a few names Vengeful Girlfriend/Vengeance/Vengefuck Girlfriend. The story was that of a spurned girlfriend who upon finding out her boyfriend has cheated on her decides the best way to find revenge is to fuck his entire family. Admitedly the girlfriend having sex with her boyfriend's family isn't incest, but the twist premise was that it lead to interesting scenarios amongst the family members upon finding out that they're all screwing her.

-Another one also went under a couple of different names due to false starts and players dropping out My Sister's Wedding/My Best Friend's Wedding. The premise was a bride (my character's sister), the groom, the bride's bestfriend (male), his girlfriend and myself are off for a private wedding. During which everyone fucks everyone's brains out including, you guessed it, the sisters.

I've done a few other incest based stories, but I'd have to say those were the most interesting for me to be in. Just my two cents.

 

[sunandshadow]

Would a story about a hermaphrodite who got him/herself pregnant lack the punch of a story where a brother got his sister pregnant?

 

[sirhugs]

Would a story about a hermaphrodite who got him/herself pregnant lack the punch of a story where a brother got his sister pregnant?

just a different audience I think. But technically, that wouldn't be incest.

 

[sunandshadow]

just a different audience I think. But technically, that wouldn't be incest.

Yeah it would - if a child had two of the same parent that would be genetically even worse than if they were siblings. And I'm talking about a culture where this is completely taboo, not one where it's normal for a child to have only one parent.

 

[sirhugs]

Yeah it would - if a child had two of the same parent that would be genetically even worse than if they were siblings. And I'm talking about a culture where this is completely taboo, not one where it's normal for a child to have only one parent.

write it. should find a small but keen readership methinks.

 

[Fantasies-only]

Don't really see anything immoral about it. And in some states, it's not even illegal ((I
think, anyway). Incest is cool with me, unless it's cheating, rape, or child molestation.
Of course, revenge affairs (such as on an unfaithful wife) are also cool. But that's because I have a strong sense of retribution.

I think I know what you're talking about.
2nd cousins are not considered blood relatives, and therefore can have sex with you, but first cousins are called blood relatives and cannot have sex.
In some states this is just the reverse, letting first cousins have "in family" sex, but not second cousins.
In this situation, sex with an aunt is frowned upon more then sex with a cousin.

At no time is it legal for a family sex partner to marry without getting pregnant first, at which time you are a society outcast, and must travel to Europe or Canada to be accepted.

You are correct about morality.
Morality is just a brain washed society's legal ethics.

Remember, just a few decades ago, public nudity was accepted by the public and law.
Touching the genitals of others was also accepted (labeled free love).
Multiple swinging was moderately tolerated, but not generally accepted.
Goosing (patting, pinching, or prodding a woman's behind) was the norm just a few years ago.

 

[sunandshadow]

write it. should find a small but keen readership methinks.

Oh I am writing it. But I wasn't entirely sure how to approach it. When there's only one character there really isn't much opportunity for romance. I thought that maybe the one who gets hirself pregnant ought to be in unrequited love with someone unobtainable, but that's not going to work with the rest of the story. I also thought auto-incest would work great with a secret pregnancy angle, but again it doesn't really fit with the other stuff I've got. I have a different character who is angsty because he thinks he's infertile, maybe he could fall in love with the self-pregnant one but what would be his motivation?

 

[sirhugs]

I think I know what you're talking about.
2nd cousins are not considered blood relatives, and therefore can have sex with you, but first cousins are called blood relatives and cannot have sex.
In some states this is just the reverse, letting first cousins have "in family" sex, but not second cousins.
In this situation, sex with an aunt is frowned upon more then sex with a cousin.

At no time is it legal for a family sex partner to marry without getting pregnant first, at which time you are a society outcast, and must travel to Europe or Canada to be accepted.

You are correct about morality.
Morality is just a brain washed society's legal ethics.

Remember, just a few decades ago, public nudity was accepted by the public and law.
Touching the genitals of others was also accepted (labeled free love).
Multiple swinging was moderately tolerated, but not generally accepted.
Goosing (patting, pinching, or prodding a woman's behind) was the norm just a few years ago.

no dissing Canada, eh!

 

[sirhugs]

Oh I am writing it. But I wasn't entirely sure how to approach it. When there's only one character there really isn't much opportunity for romance. I thought that maybe the one who gets hirself pregnant ought to be in unrequited love with someone unobtainable, but that's not going to work with the rest of the story. I also thought auto-incest would work great with a secret pregnancy angle, but again it doesn't really fit with the other stuff I've got. I have a different character who is angsty because he thinks he's infertile, maybe he could fall in love with the self-pregnant one but what would be his motivation?

you could do it as a "Dear Diary", or an interview at the day care?