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of course you don't
In states where abortion will be illegal
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oggbashan
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In the 1940s and 50s - yes. Unmarried women who gave birth had their babies forcibly taken from them and placed for adoption. There has been a long-running campaign calling for the government to apologise, which they might do, but it wasn't by government instruction but by church groups and 'Christian' social workers. the Church of England and the Roman Catholic church in England have already admitted blame and apologised.
I continue to be in shock.
This isn't the America we all 2nd worlders dreamed about and rooted to immigrate to one day, growing up.
I listened to Democracy Now, and apparently two more 11 year-olds had to flee Red States to seek abortion.
And that Dakota FEMALE!! governor just told CNN that she wants to ban abortion for victims of rape and incest, even if they're underaged.
and pay those women a live-in wage during their pregnancies
or, if the woman wants to keep the baby, give allowances like Germany.
The trully yucky part is that the ones who want to ban abortion also want to destroy that social support
With what?
You and the other boomers-Republicans act as if society today is the same as during your most productive years. When you could afford to buy a house and to keep a house on one salary.
don't wanna support their offsprings?
then don't force women to give birth
Stephen_Coyle
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Opponents of the restrictive abortion laws currently being considered in the United States don’t need to look to fiction for admonitory examples of where these types of laws can lead. For decades, communist Romania was a real-life test case of what can happen when a country outlaws abortion entirely, and the results were devastating.
In 1966, the leader of Romania, Nicolae Ceausescu, outlawed access to abortion and contraception in a bid to boost the country’s population. In the short term, it worked, and the year after it was enacted the average number of children born to Romanian women jumped from 1.9 to 3.7. But birthrates quickly fell again as women found ways around the ban. Wealthy, urban women were sometimes able to bribe doctors to perform abortions, or they had contraceptive IUDs smuggled in from Germany.
Yet Romania’s prohibition of the procedure was disproportionately felt by low-income women and disadvantaged groups, which abortion-rights advocates in the United States fear would happen if the Alabama law came into force. As a last resort, many Romanian women turned to home and back-alley abortions, and by 1989, an estimated 10,000 women had died as a result of unsafe procedures. The real number of deaths might have been much higher, as women who sought abortions and those who helped them faced years of imprisonment if caught. Maternal mortality skyrocketed, doubling between 1965 and 1989.
“Sometimes a woman couldn’t even tell her husband or best friend that she wanted to have an abortion as it would put them at risk as well,” said Irina Ilisei, an academic researcher and co-founder of the Front Association, a Romanian feminist group, and the Feminist Romania website.
“For many women, sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed,” Ilisei said.
Another consequence of Romania’s abortion ban was that hundreds of thousands of children were turned over to state orphanages. When communism collapsed in Romania in 1989, an estimated 170,000 children were found warehoused in filthy orphanages. Having previously been hidden from the world, images emerged of stick-thin children, many of whom had been beaten and abused. Some were left shackled to metal bed frames.
An anti-abortion law passed in Alabama in 2019 goes even further than Romania’s, which in principle at least allowed for exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or congenital defect. The Alabama law allows for abortions only when there is a serious threat to the mother’s health.
Romania’s abortion ban was compounded by a ban on contraception, which was not mentioned in the Alabama bill. But the Trump administration took a swipe at birth control in 2017 when it allowed employers to opt out of providing it as part of employee insurance plans on the grounds of religious belief.
Romania offers a cautionary tale of what happens when a state tries to control reproductive rights. The Alabama law raises questions about what kind of support the state would provide if someone doesn’t have the option of ending a pregnancy when the fetus is found to have profound birth defects.
In 1966, the leader of Romania, Nicolae Ceausescu, outlawed access to abortion and contraception in a bid to boost the country’s population. In the short term, it worked, and the year after it was enacted the average number of children born to Romanian women jumped from 1.9 to 3.7. But birthrates quickly fell again as women found ways around the ban. Wealthy, urban women were sometimes able to bribe doctors to perform abortions, or they had contraceptive IUDs smuggled in from Germany.
Yet Romania’s prohibition of the procedure was disproportionately felt by low-income women and disadvantaged groups, which abortion-rights advocates in the United States fear would happen if the Alabama law came into force. As a last resort, many Romanian women turned to home and back-alley abortions, and by 1989, an estimated 10,000 women had died as a result of unsafe procedures. The real number of deaths might have been much higher, as women who sought abortions and those who helped them faced years of imprisonment if caught. Maternal mortality skyrocketed, doubling between 1965 and 1989.
“Sometimes a woman couldn’t even tell her husband or best friend that she wanted to have an abortion as it would put them at risk as well,” said Irina Ilisei, an academic researcher and co-founder of the Front Association, a Romanian feminist group, and the Feminist Romania website.
“For many women, sexuality represented a fear and not a part of life that can be enjoyed,” Ilisei said.
Another consequence of Romania’s abortion ban was that hundreds of thousands of children were turned over to state orphanages. When communism collapsed in Romania in 1989, an estimated 170,000 children were found warehoused in filthy orphanages. Having previously been hidden from the world, images emerged of stick-thin children, many of whom had been beaten and abused. Some were left shackled to metal bed frames.
An anti-abortion law passed in Alabama in 2019 goes even further than Romania’s, which in principle at least allowed for exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or congenital defect. The Alabama law allows for abortions only when there is a serious threat to the mother’s health.
Romania’s abortion ban was compounded by a ban on contraception, which was not mentioned in the Alabama bill. But the Trump administration took a swipe at birth control in 2017 when it allowed employers to opt out of providing it as part of employee insurance plans on the grounds of religious belief.
Romania offers a cautionary tale of what happens when a state tries to control reproductive rights. The Alabama law raises questions about what kind of support the state would provide if someone doesn’t have the option of ending a pregnancy when the fetus is found to have profound birth defects.
oggbashan
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That assumes that contraception materials are easily available and are 100% effective. Even when people can get them, they are not wholly safe from failure.
oggbashan
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A weird idea to express on a site devoted to sex. Sure you shouldn't be posting on a Southern Baptist site?
icanhelp1
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Personal responsibility, what a concept!
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Makes sense that they track menstrual cycles, check for pregnancies, take these poor hesitant mothers into supportive families to ensure healthy births!
Perhaps have good families realize their dreams of a baby of their own
Maybe allow the fathers of some of these chosen families to donate some of their good dna?!
How about a nice common uniform for these poor misguided women??
Viva Romania!! The new MAGA
Make America Romanian States
MARS
Perhaps have good families realize their dreams of a baby of their own
Maybe allow the fathers of some of these chosen families to donate some of their good dna?!
How about a nice common uniform for these poor misguided women??
Viva Romania!! The new MAGA
Make America Romanian States
MARS
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