In states where abortion will be illegal

[adrina]

Those damn voters.

Yeah we know it's not about state rights. It never has been. Everything you say about abortion is based in fanaticism and hysteria. You're just another anti-abortion obsessed lying freak.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Yeah we know it's not about state rights. It never has been. Everything you say about abortion is based in fanaticism and hysteria. You're just another anti-abortion obsessed lying freak.

It’s about the Constitution. You’d know that if you‘d actually read the majority opinion. You prefer abortion policy to be made by unelected judges. You’re upset that policy has been placed in the hands elected representatives. Those damn voters.

 

[DeluxAuto]

It’s about the Constitution. You’d know that if you‘d actually read the majority opinion. You prefer abortion policy to be made by unelected judges. You’re upset that policy has been placed in the hands elected representatives. Those damn voters.

Which article mentions women's healthcare?

 

[adrina]

It’s about the Constitution. You’d know that if you‘d actually read the majority opinion. You prefer abortion policy to be made by unelected judges. You’re upset that policy has been placed in the hands elected representatives. Those damn voters.

Ok. Look. Another lie from another anti abortion lying hypocrite.

It's interesting how you keep having to insult me to feel better about yourself. But then... lying fanatics, so it is what it is.

If the consititution were amended tomorrow to make abortion a national right, you'd say it was wrong. Even if all voted on it. That's the way it is with you weirdos.

 

[RobDownSouth]

“Occasionally?” Lol. 234 times. And in the Dobbs and WVA cases, policy powers were returned to elected representatives. That’s what bothers you. You love representative government except when you don’t. Hypocrite.

As I explained earlier, which you failed to acknowledge due to your slavish devotion to teh Fox News Narrative, in virtually all instances of the Supreme Court disregarding precedence it has been to provide greater liberty to the individual, not "powers returned to (white male) elected representatives"

The Extreme Court this term has shown virtually no deference to Stare Decisis, routinely preferring to legislate from the bench to advance a White Nationalist agenda at the expense of personal liberty. Liberty hating individuals such as yourself naturally are ecstatic about the end of democracy in America.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

As I explained earlier, which you failed to acknowledge due to your slavish devotion to teh Fox News Narrative, in virtually all instances of the Supreme Court disregarding precedence it has been to provide greater liberty to the individual, not "powers returned to (white male) elected representatives"

The Extreme Court this term has shown virtually no deference to Stare Decisis, routinely preferring to legislate from the bench to advance a White Nationalist agenda at the expense of personal liberty. Liberty hating individuals such as yourself naturally are ecstatic about the end of democracy in America.

“Extreme court”, “slavish devotion to Fox News Narrative”, “white male”, “White Nationalist agenda”

I see you’re getting good use out of your Rachael Maddow dictionary. Ha ha. Sorry representative government and constitutional fidelity troubles you so much. Obviously been rough couple weeks for you. Seek shelter from the storm.

 

[butters]

the hell of being forced to carry a dead foetus when an abortion of it is denied:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle...sedgntp&cvid=c6bcda7a347a435a95cada943eb5f9fa

Initially, the plan was to keep me pregnant for six more weeks after we found out he had died.

The pregnancy had been hard on me physically and mentally. I was sick with hyperemesis gravidarum and developed gestational diabetes. In addition to being an older mom carrying twins, I was being closely monitored because I had a history of preeclampsia and underlying medical problems,.

Despite these health issues, my providers refused to let me deliver my babies the day I learned about my son's death because of how early I was in my pregnancy. Instead, I spent almost a week in the hospital with one living son and one dead son inside me.

I wanted to end my pregnancy, though not abort the living twin in my womb. I felt my living son would have a better chance out of my womb than remaining inside it, having had my other son die in that same womb. And I would have a better chance at being the mother and the fierce advocate my premature baby would need if I wasn't entering the experience shattered by weeks of carrying a dead child in my womb.

 

[lovecraft68]

Seeing as women will be forced to live with their rape babies for life, should rapists get life sentences?

Yes, unless they play for the NFL, then they get 230 million dollars.

 

[YDB95]

Those damn voters.

Those damn voters voted for Clinton over Trump by over 3 million votes, and the Democrats in the Senate represent over 15 million more voters than the Republicans do. It's amazing how quickly you people can flip back and forth between "What you got against American democracy?!" and "We're a republic, not a democracy" as each one suits your argument.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Absolutely

That would be expensive

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Those damn voters voted for Clinton over Trump by over 3 million votes, and the Democrats in the Senate represent over 15 million more voters than the Republicans do. It's amazing how quickly you people can flip back and forth between "What you got against American democracy?!" and "We're a republic, not a democracy" as each one suits your argument.

Yes, we have an electoral college and bicameral legislature. And now millions of voters in the states will decide on abortion laws rather than 9 judges. I know this is troubling for you.

 

[YDB95]

Yes, we have an electoral college and bicameral legislature. And now millions of voters in the states will decide on abortion laws rather than 9 judges. I know this is troubling for you.

That's not what's troubling. But you knew that.

 

[butters]

texas hospitals refusing or delaying treatment for pregnancy problems for fear of falling foul of the new anti-abortion laws. One woman was refused the treatment normally offered to remove an ectopic pregnancy and had to wait till it ruptured before they stepped in. A ruptured ectopic pregnancy is a life-threatening situation that should never had been allowed to happen.

In a letter to the Texas Medical Board seen by the newspaper, the association said it had received numerous complaints that hospitals were blocking doctors from giving pregnant people medically necessary care, which includes ending a pregnancy.

According to the paper, the letter described one case of a woman who had an ectopic pregnancy — a pregnancy that grows in the fallopian tubes and will never be viable, but will be life-threatening. She was said to have been refused treatment until her pregnancy ruptured.

"Delayed or prevented care in this scenario creates a substantial risk for the patient's future reproductive ability and poses a serious risk to the patient's immediate physical wellbeing," the letter said, the Dallas Morning News reported.

Earlier this month, the Biden administration issued guidance requiring hospitals to perform "legally-mandated, life- or health-saving abortion services in emergency situations."

However, on Thursday, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton filed a lawsuit against the Biden administration in light of the new guidance, saying it "forces hospitals and doctors to commit crimes and risk their licensure under Texas law."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/T...pc=U531&cvid=bf247c960efb4f20bdf8495d68aae1e4


so all you anti-abortionists: if this was your wife, or daughter, or grandchild, sister, mother, 'special other' carrying an ectopic pregnancy that can never be viable and will threaten the life of the mother the longer it continues, how do you feel about putting them at risk this way?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yes, we have an electoral college and bicameral legislature. And now millions of voters in the states will decide on abortion laws rather than 9 judges. I know this is troubling for you.

The voters could have decided before this ruling. If they wanted an abortion they could have chose to have one. If they didn’t want an abortion they could have chosen that.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Seeing as women will be forced to live with their rape babies for life, should rapists get life sentences?

I would like for them to be executed.

 

[adrina]

It's better to have women die than a fetus. Apparently.

 

[butters]

It's better to have women die than a fetus. Apparently.

this is because of their tenets that a baby is innocent but a woman is a sinner:
''after all, she's had carnal knowledge of a man to get in that condition anyway, so..."

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The voters could have decided before this ruling. If they wanted an abortion they could have chose to have one. If they didn’t want an abortion they could have chosen that.

Referencing abortion laws.

 

[adrina]

this is because of their tenets that a baby is innocent but a woman is a sinner:
''after all, she's had carnal knowledge of a man to get in that condition anyway, so..."

I find the entire concept of the "innocent" baby to be illogical.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=336ea660f1424bb6d58ea332081eedf8

rubio and cramer introduce bill requiring child support from conception.
it also covers post-birth confirmation of father which will lead to back payments for the pregnancy

i wonder how well this will do, and how it will influence the upbringing of sons/daughters with regards to contraception... oh, wait, they want to ban that too, so back to the old days of no premarital sex, no wanking, no coveting but it still goes on regardless? in fact, make that ANY non procreational sex. at all.

collecting it will be very different from making it a thing, and then there's the 'parental rights' issue about fathers who the mothers want nowhere near their children due to violence/sexual abuse/drugs etc...

and what about the mothers who don't know who the father is for all manner of reasons?

 

[oggbashan]

Back in the 1960s, my fiancée's younger sister was pregnant at the age of 12. At the time, abortion for a 12-year-old was not medically recommended so she had the child who was then adopted.

She didn't know who the father was. It was one of six 14-year-old stable hands at the stables where she worked. There were no prosections because all those involved were under the age of consent.

 

[PaxNurgle]

It’s about the Constitution. . You prefer abortion policy to be made by unelected judges. You’re upset that policy has been placed in the hands elected representatives. Those damn voters.

This is EXACTLY THE PROBLEM!!

The unelected judges effectively DID create abortion policy, over the heads of the majority of citizens (and the LARGE majority of women) who wanted that right protected, only to see the court strip it away.

And as mentioned, the man who picked those judges was never elected by a majority of people, but deliberatly chose extremist judges based on one position, for the sole purpose of stripping away a freedom he felt that women did not deserve.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This is EXACTLY THE PROBLEM!!

The unelected judges effectively DID create abortion policy, over the heads of the majority of citizens (and the LARGE majority of women) who wanted that right protected, only to see the court strip it away.

And as mentioned, the man who picked those judges was never elected by a majority of people, but deliberatly chose extremist judges based on one position, for the sole purpose of stripping away a freedom he felt that women did not deserve.

Got it. You are not a fan of the Constitution.

 

[PaxNurgle]

More to the point, I am a fan of the Constitution, just not your warped, twisted interpretation of it.

The Constitution includes something called the Bill of Rights- which I AM a fan of. Maybe that's the part that you are missing- the first Ten Amendments (which includes the Second Amendment by the way, but their are nine other ones you people seem to conveniently forget about when it comes to talking about "The Constitution.")

 

[RobDownSouth]

Back in the 1960s, my fiancée's younger sister was pregnant at the age of 12. At the time, abortion for a 12-year-old was not medically recommended so she had the child who was then adopted.

She didn't know who the father was. It was one of six 14-year-old stable hands at the stables where she worked. There were no prosections because all those involved were under the age of consent.

I think the above post gives valuable insight into exactly the type of "good old days" the White Nationalists are trying to return America to.