ICE Has Started to Arrest Judges

[siobhancan99]

But your post seems to support arresting judges.

My god, it's almost like it's possible to believe that some judges should be arrested and not be a Trump supporter. I'm going to guess you're one of those people whose politics are a matter of religion and not a reasoned stance come to through actually thinking through the issues. It is wrong that so much of America treats judges like they sprang fully armed and armored from the brow of zeus, and are also magically pristine morally forthright people. They already, by and large, think that about themselves without your help.

A lot of judges do indeed grow to believe they are the law, and their desires are paramount. That's wrong. Breaking the law isn't excused by wearing a black robe. If you think that thought can only be thought by people in red hats, you're giving too much credit to people in red hats and not enough to everyone else.

Maybe try having politics beyond "trump sucks"

He does suck, but there's more to life than hating Trump.

 

[Politruk]

My god, it's almost like it's possible to believe that some judges should be arrested and not be a Trump supporter.

See post #72.

 

[lovecraft68]

Arrested judges who broke the law covering for people who also broke the law

Remember, Dems, no one is above the law...Except if their last name is Clinton or Biden, right?

 

[Politruk]

A lot of judges do indeed grow to believe they are the law, and their desires are paramount.

Perhaps, but most of those were bred in the Federalist Society,

 

[Politruk]

Arrested judges who broke the law covering for people who also broke the law

Remember, Dems, no one is above the law...Except if their last name is Clinton or Biden, right?

See post #72, #69, #50, and #46.

 

[siobhancan99]

See post #72.

What, like quoting yourself somehow adds gravitas?
My point about judges was non partisan. We need to stop worshipping them as a society.

 

[Politruk]

My point about judges was non partisan.

Lie.

 

[rgraham666]

My god, it's almost like it's possible to believe that some judges should be arrested and not be a Trump supporter. I'm going to guess you're one of those people whose politics are a matter of religion and not a reasoned stance come to through actually thinking through the issues. It is wrong that so much of America treats judges like they sprang fully armed and armored from the brow of zeus, and are also magically pristine morally forthright people. They already, by and large, think that about themselves without your help.

A lot of judges do indeed grow to believe they are the law, and their desires are paramount. That's wrong. Breaking the law isn't excused by wearing a black robe. If you think that thought can only be thought by people in red hats, you're giving too much credit to people in red hats and not enough to everyone else.

Maybe try having politics beyond "trump sucks"

He does suck, but there's more to life than hating Trump.

Sorry, but it doesn't matter which spot on the Left/Right political spectrum you are on. If judges are getting arrested for opposing the people in power that's authoritarianism. And who gives a flying fuck where on the political spectrum authoritarianism sits?

Also, why are we still using the boarding arrangements of horses to decide on political stances?

 

[YDB95]

Remember, Dems, no one is above the law...Except if their last name is Clinton or Biden, right?

Literally no one ever said that. And no matter how much you hate Clinton and Biden, no Trump supporter has any business complaining about anyone else getting away with flouting the law.

 

[siobhancan99]

Sorry, but it doesn't matter which spot on the Left/Right political spectrum you are on. If judges are getting arrested for opposing the people in power that's authoritarianism. And who gives a flying fuck where on the political spectrum authoritarianism sits?

Also, why are we still using the boarding arrangements of horses to decide on political stances?

Yeah that's not why they're getting arrested. You'll note nobody arrested the guy that ordered the return of the prisoner flights. Nobody is arresting any of the judges who ruled against the current administration. The state court judges who have been arrested were arrested for helping aliens evade ICE. IF they did that, then they should be tried and convicted, not treated like martyrs.

 

[Politruk]

As usual, Leeja Miller nails it!

 

[Politruk]

The state court judges who have been arrested were arrested for helping aliens evade ICE.

Nobody should be arrested for that!

 

[siobhancan99]

Lie.

moron.

I'm a democrat. I voted for Biden twice. I would have voted for Hillary if I was old enough. Don't be the kind of leftist twat that makes everyone who disagrees with them their enemy. You're like a parody of a democrat.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Of course 1) the seriousness of the law in question and 2) the motives of the arresting/prosecuting authority have bearing on this case!

No they don't, ESPECIALLY for a judge. Too bad they aren't hanging offenses.

 

[YDB95]

I'm a democrat. I voted for Biden twice. I would have voted for Hillary if I was old enough. Don't be the kind of leftist twat that makes everyone who disagrees with them their enemy. You're like a parody of a democrat.

It's no better to be the kind of Democrat that falls for Republican propaganda, which is effectively what you've done in this thread. She was not arrested for helping the guy evade the law, she was arrested for not doing ICE's bidding when they hadn't followed due process.

 

[Politruk]

No they don't, ESPECIALLY for a judge. Too bad they aren't hanging offenses.

You do realize that makes no sense at all?

 

[siobhancan99]

It's no better to be the kind of Democrat that falls for Republican propaganda, which is effectively what you've done in this thread. She was not arrested for helping the guy evade the law, she was arrested for not doing ICE's bidding when they hadn't followed due process.

Thanks for the world's dumbest take. Sometimes I feel like our side wants to lose so fucking badly it hurts. "Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a republican/putin sympathizer/nazi" is just the flip side of the maga "everything I don't like is woke" coin.

I know, you suffer from the delusion that only one opinion can be had and it is yours, so the only answer must be that someone with a different take is either malicious or ill informed. SHe was arrested for obstructing ICE. you'll note that I also said "IF" she did that, she should be tried and convicted. That's how the system is supposed to work.

 

[YDB95]

"Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a republican/putin sympathizer/nazi" is just the flip side of the maga "everything I don't like is woke" coin.

I agree (and have been called every name in the book by people I agree with 95% of the time as a result). But that's not what happened here. What did happen is that I explained what really happened, and you still saw me saying "anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" when that is nowhere near what I said.

I know, you suffer from the delusion that only one opinion can be had and it is yours,

Tell me you know nothing about me without actually saying that! I could just as reasonably jump to the conclusion that you supported someone like Tulsi Gabbard or Joe Lieberman for president. You do sound like the type.

so the only answer must be that someone with a different take is either malicious or ill informed.

It's not the only answer, but in this particular case it is the correct answer.

SHe was arrested for obstructing ICE.

If your point is that's what the other side claims, that much is true. But is it really the reason why she was arrested? No, it's just their excuse.

you'll note that I also said "IF" she did that, she should be tried and convicted. That's how the system is supposed to work.

Yes and no. How the system is really supposed to work is, if there's no evidence whatsoever that you did something, you shouldn't be arrested in the first place. Maybe that's a subtle difference in the age of Trump, but it still matters.

 

[wallstreetguy]

I spoke to a nationally known Constitutional lawyer about this. He said judges are pretty much emperors of their courts and can do whatever they like, unironically. He said this is autocracy and i said "You say that like it's a bad thing. You just said judges are autocrats." He said presidents are elected. I said this judge was elected. We had to end the chat because he was speaking to a group but I thought it illuminating.
Payback is a bitch.

 

[siobhancan99]

I agree (and have been called every name in the book by people I agree with 95% of the time as a result). But that's not what happened here. What did happen is that I explained what really happened, and you still saw me saying "anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" when that is nowhere near what I said.


Tell me you know nothing about me without actually saying that! I could just as reasonably jump to the conclusion that you supported someone like Tulsi Gabbard or Joe Lieberman for president. You do sound like the type.

It's not the only answer, but in this particular case it is the correct answer.

If your point is that's what the other side claims, that much is true. But is it really the reason why she was arrested? No, it's just their excuse.

Yes and no. How the system is really supposed to work is, if there's no evidence whatsoever that you did something, you shouldn't be arrested in the first place. Maybe that's a subtle difference in the age of Trump, but it still matters.

2 things

1) who the fuck is Joe Lieberman?

2) There is evidence she did it. That you don't like that evidence or want to believe it doesn't make her arrest fascism. It just means you, personally, feel a certain way. Maybe she did do it, maybe she didn't. You don't know and screaming about the arrest without knowing and calling someone who says there's enough there a victim of republican propaganda really does help me know you enough to call you out on your bullshit.

 

[YDB95]

2 things

1) who the fuck is Joe Lieberman?

He was a classic example of a nominal Democrat who tended to sound more like a Fox News host.

2) There is evidence she did it.

According to people who have no credibility whatsoever. That is the crux of the dispute here.

 

[siobhancan99]

He was a classic example of a nominal Democrat who tended to sound more like a Fox News host.

According to people who have no credibility whatsoever. That is the crux of the dispute here.

Again, that you, personally, don't find it credible doesn't make it untrue. It just means you don't believe it. I'm not aware of any requirement in probable cause that "YDB95" find there be probable cause. You're free to disbelieve them. Saying anyone who accepts that it is possibly true is subject to "propaganda" has more to say about you than the people you're levelling the accusation at.

I believe it's possible, given that the immigrant supposedly went through non-public parts of the courthouse. If that isn't true, there'd be security footage of him leaving through the public parts of the courthouse. We'd probably have seen that already. We may come to see it in the next few days. If we do, great. Feel free to crow about being right.

 

[YDB95]

I believe it's possible, given that the immigrant supposedly went through non-public parts of the courthouse. If that isn't true, there'd be security footage of him leaving through the public parts of the courthouse. We'd probably have seen that already. We may come to see it in the next few days. If we do, great. Feel free to crow about being right.

My understanding is that the route she directed him on is standard procedure in cases like that. ICE had not done their job correctly; she did not owe it to them to make it easier for them to nab the guy (which they had no trouble doing once he was outside ayway).

 

[siobhancan99]

My understanding is that the route she directed him on is standard procedure in cases like that. ICE had not done their job correctly; she did not owe it to them to make it easier for them to nab the guy (which they had no trouble doing once he was outside ayway).

In cases like what? State level misdemeanor battery cases? I have a hard time believing that is true.

If by "cases like that" you mean "cases where ICE is there" the fact that it might be standard operating procedure does not make it lawful.

 

[Politruk]

Payback is a bitch.

There is no payback at all in this story.